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Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1861 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Dec 16, 2022 3:50 am

HMFFL wrote:We aren't going to get a 17ppg/7rebs/2.3blks big man that's shooting three pointers at 43% without giving up more than John Collins. 1.7 three pointers a game is his career high. Blocks are way down from the previous two seasons.

John Collins at $25 million next season and $26 million the next won't appeal to most teams.


I suspect the Pacers feel about Myles the same way Hawks feel about John Collins. Myles has been there for years but has never taken the next step, isn't worth a massive pay raise and the team simply doesn't want to lose him in Free Agency for nothing.

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Collins would also be attractive to a team like Indiana because of his contract. The 25-year-old is signed through the 2024-25 season with a player option for 2025-26. He will make $51.92 million in the next two seasons combined after the 2022-23 campaign.

Turner, on the other hand, is in the final season of his deal, and his performance this season could be pricing him out of the Pacers' comfort zone.
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Also, Indianapolis isn't exactly a free agent draw. Pacers probably are okay buying low on an athletic big man, entering his prime who was putting up All Star production only a few seasons ago. Collins would fit really well alongside a back court of Ty Haliburton and Ben Mathurin. Plus Rick Carlisle would love having him as the veteran voice in the locker room.

Not to mention John and Lloyd could commiserate on their time kowtowing to Trae Young's massive ego.

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1862 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:50 am

NBA teams are not going to give up alot or anything for a 6 month rental for Turner. Pacers won't be able to get equal value for him.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1863 » by tbhawksfan1 » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:23 am

I think that what will eventually happen is that they will move JC in a Heurter type trade. Bring in far inferieur talent, save money and save face by getting a very protected FRP

They will do everything to keep salary about where it is while looking for the right combination to move forward. I anticipate cost cutting moves for Bogs and Capela in the future. Their money will go to DM and OO.

Hawks are not on a trajectory to build a contender. A team that should be ascending, yet is trading away talent to cut cost is not how you build a winner in the NBA
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1864 » by Solid » Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:16 pm

Pacer's have enough cap space to take Collins and leave you a lot of money.
Cash is king however, we don't mind keeping it, or a lot of it, and giving you a player or two back.
There's a new thread on this topic on the trade board.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1865 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:01 pm

Solid wrote:Pacer's have enough cap space to take Collins and leave you a lot of money.
Cash is king however, we don't mind keeping it, or a lot of it, and giving you a player or two back.
There's a new thread on this topic on the trade board.


Noted.

And as much as we fans may not prioritize that, it's clear our ownership and front office does.

Any chance Duarte is available now that Mathurin and Nembhard have emerged as long term pieces? He'd stabilize our back court quite a lot backing up both guard spots...
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1866 » by Solid » Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:41 pm

Duarte will do exactly that for us as well. We miss him and he should return any day now. He's a definite positive and if we move Buddy and start Mathurin His spot is locked. McConnell should be available. One of the scrappiest guys you will ever see. Energizes everybody! Leads the league in steals from the bench!
Nembhard possibly. He's really got potential and can play both guard spots right now. Not sure which between him and Duarte I'd rather keep. He's a great bargain. Signed four years for peanuts, while JC looks to be overpaid by beyond Nembard's salary.
If Collin's has his head on right and would not be a wet blanket in our locker room (which is really really positive right now) I'd like him and be willing to give you a small asset.
Collins may be seen as purely a reclamation though, not worth his paycheck... or a stingy drag that won't D up unless he's getting more than his share of looks. That would not fit here and he'd have to get his head straight. You guys would know that better than we would but that's kind of how I see him.
If so, with his contract, he appears neutral or at least a sizable risk.
We'd take him for money, or pieces that we'd need less after he got here. We'd make him earn minutes setting a bit and absorbing the vibe. I could see him becoming really good for us and... where else could he play with a great passing point and a rim protecting 5 that doesn't mind hanging around outside on offense?

Oshea Brissett Would be a guy we could move if Collins can out play him. He's a good guy. Can shoot pretty well, and play serviceable D at either forward spot, making him a valuable back up. But we have at least two other young 3's (Brown and Nesmith) and plenty of serviceable back up 4s. (Smith, Jackson, T Taylor).
Also there are good back Centers with Goga and Theis.
My ideal offer would be Theis and McConnell and some money. Those guys can help any team, but we're stacked with their skill set and they're older than our core.
Sorry about the length of this tome...but that's the whole book on how I see our fit.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1867 » by jayu70 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:16 pm

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Collins may be seen as purely a reclamation though...... .

This is far from true
Collins' struggle has only been from 3, (21%) and that's because Nate has him camped on the 3pt line like a traditional stretch 4 which he isn't. He's shooting 62% from 2 and should be getting more shots in that range vs 3. He's taking 2 less shots per game than last season and I'm putting all this on Nate's inability to have a creative offensive game plan.
Meanwhile, on defense - he has been good, both individual and team: blocks and steals are also up from last year.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1868 » by Solid » Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:00 pm

When I say reclamation, I don't mean he's totally trash, I like him. But that nobody seems to believe he's worth his pay right now. So I rack any cost to us here (pure money, or a player or two that ARE worth their coin), as a premium for a chance at potential, and consolidating some pieces. I imagine that any return for him that contains no bad money would be an overall positive you receive for moving on, with flexibility in return for your dashed expectations.
But I'm a rookie on this court.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1869 » by FAH1223 » Mon Dec 26, 2022 3:03 am

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Post#1870 » by atlantabbq99 » Mon Dec 26, 2022 5:43 am

^ I'm guessing Hawks get Crowder in return?
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Post#1871 » by CP War Hawks » Mon Dec 26, 2022 12:08 pm

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Wiz receive: Collins, Pho 1st rd pick.
Hawks receive: Crowder, Kispert
Suns receive: Kuz

Gotta add players/teams to get the numbers right but it fits what the Hawks have been looking for in a Collins trade. They want a younger player still on his rookie deal and I guess a vet that can still play.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1872 » by FAH1223 » Mon Dec 26, 2022 5:21 pm

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Wiz receive: Collins, Pho 1st rd pick.
Hawks receive: Crowder, Kispert
Suns receive: Kuz

Gotta add players/teams to get the numbers right but it fits what the Hawks have been looking for in a Collins trade. They want a younger player still on his rookie deal and I guess a vet that can still play.


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Seems he’s not feeling Collins :lol:
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1873 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:53 pm

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Seems he’s not feeling Collins :lol:



Bradley Beal doesn't play the long game when it comes to team building.

3 years of John Collins + a pick is MUCH MORE VALUABLE than 5 months of Kyle Kuzma on a losing team.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1874 » by dms269 » Mon Dec 26, 2022 8:36 pm

Hawks have said recently they are not looking to dump Collins. That they want equal value that it could likely be rookie-deal player and picks.

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1875 » by jayu70 » Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:16 pm

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Seems he’s not feeling Collins :lol:

I'm feeling neither Crowder or Kuzma. Pass.
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Post#1876 » by atlantabbq99 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:36 am

^ Hawks need to dump Collins' contract as soon as possible and Crowder's contract does that.

Hawks need to dump salary and make a play for free agents to help Trae, just like what they did when they picked up Millsap and Korver in 2013
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Post#1877 » by dms269 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:16 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:^ Hawks need to dump Collins' contract as soon as possible and Crowder's contract does that.

Hawks need to dump salary and make a play for free agents to help Trae, just like what they did when they picked up Millsap and Korver in 2013
We would have to do a lot more than just dump JC to open up enough cap space to be a player in free agency.
Trae, Murray, Hunter, Capela, Okongwu, and Bogi (accepted player option) make up around $125 million. The cap is projected to be 134 next season.

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1878 » by atlantabbq99 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:33 am

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atlantabbq99 wrote:^ Hawks need to dump Collins' contract as soon as possible and Crowder's contract does that.

Hawks need to dump salary and make a play for free agents to help Trae, just like what they did when they picked up Millsap and Korver in 2013
We would have to do a lot more than just dump JC to open up enough cap space to be a player in free agency.
Trae, Murray, Hunter, Capela, Okongwu, and Bogi (accepted player option) make up around $125 million. The cap is projected to be 134 next season.

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Hunter should also go or not ask to get overpaid like Collins.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1879 » by jayu70 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 2:52 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:^ Hawks need to dump Collins' contract as soon as possible and Crowder's contract does that.

Hawks need to dump salary and make a play for free agents to help Trae, just like what they did when they picked up Millsap and Korver in 2013

No.
When have the Hawks ever been players for big name free agents.
Hawks just made a money saving trade with Huerter, how is that looking?
I'd be very disappointed if we ended up with Crowder as our starting PF.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1880 » by atlantabbq99 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:15 pm

jayu70 wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:^ Hawks need to dump Collins' contract as soon as possible and Crowder's contract does that.

Hawks need to dump salary and make a play for free agents to help Trae, just like what they did when they picked up Millsap and Korver in 2013

No.
When have the Hawks ever been players for big name free agents.
Hawks just made a money saving trade with Huerter, how is that looking?
I'd be very disappointed if we ended up with Crowder as our starting PF.


Who the hell cares about big names?!... :roll:

Dwight was a big name free agent before, LAC Kawhi, BKN Durant... none of them done shhhh

Hawks need to get some cap and get QUALITY free agents who will help Trae, like when the Hawks got Millsap and Korver. or when MIA got Butler, or when BOS got Horford.

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