jbk1234 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:ijspeelman wrote:
Its a move that could get you a pivotal four point play in game seven of the finals from an unlikely source (Iman Shumpert was traded for a single second round pick + two benchwarmers + Dion Waiters and came with JR).
These small trades can have big implications when they directly fit what your team needs so its nice to have a few second rounders to play around with some smaller deals.
That's rare though, Phil Jackson was one of the worst executives of all time. There aren't a lot of executives walking through life butt first just waiting to get ripped off.
Cavs could actually use a similar trade right now to get 2 wings that fit, since that is their biggest hole.
Shump wasn't re-signing and JR was widely considered to have negative value on that contract. It was a salary dump. The problem is that with the cap going up, salary dumps are less valuable. Although, the Knicks are staring down the barrel of Barrett's extension. I'd kick the tires on Fournier to see what the Knicks would add. If we could get them to include Hartenstein, Reddish, or a pick, it's worth exploring.
Just to wrap a bow on this tangent ... JR did have negative value and Shump is what the Knicks paid to move him. The Cavs got a 1st round pick for Waiters which we redirected along with another 1st to Denver for Mozgov. The 2nd rounder we traded was in 2019 and turned out to be somewhat valuable (the 3rd pick in the 2nd round). The 1st rounder we redirected was the 26th pick in the 2016 draft.
If we had drafted the players actually taken with those picks? No loss ... it was Carsen Edwards and Furkan Korkmaz, but Siakim, Zubac, Brogdon, and Niang were all on the board and taken well before we took Kay Felder in the 2016 draft. And in 2019, we could have had our pick of Martin, Gafford, Paschall, Bol Bol, THT, or Mann.
Turned out the first of the 2nd rounders we traded for Kyle Korver was #35 in 2021 where Herbert Jones was taken or Dosunmu, Edwards, or Banton could have been. The second pick was much less interesting, #47 in 2022.
Here's hoping we did better with all the 2nd round picks we ended up with in 2022, but there is help in the draft (even the 2nd round and beyond) for teams with the scouting and patience to develop players. Meaning even when we did identify Danny Green and Joe Harris in the draft, we failed to see what they would become or help them get there.
There's no limit on what Dan Gilbert can spend on scouting and player development - I wish he'd used it to steal the best people from other organizations.
