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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#121 » by Mamba4Goat » Mon Dec 12, 2022 5:36 am

minimus wrote:A few questions about rotation:

1) what changes can be made to improve our defensive rebounding? Many have been scapegoating Towns, but it looks like without him we are not rebounding better. My theory is that with MCD assigned to opponent PoA and Gobert boxing out biggest opponent it is up to other three guys on the floor to step up. I.e. Ant, Russell and Anderson have to box out and work harder to get rebounds. Also Reid, TP and Nowell are not known as good rebounders. JMac is too small, but gives 100% effort.

2) after we inserted KA into starting lineup Russell efficiency went up. Is it because of KA decision making and passing? It might our workaround to help Russell to succeed. Give him secondary ballhandler who is smart, versatile and can defend.

3) Wendell Moore gets some minutes without TP. Hopes this trend continues once TP is back.

4) Nowell has been good lately. But our bench has not been as good as last season. Maybe PJ Dozier can help? Any thoughts?

5) is Forbes out of rotation?



I think the non-bigs just aren’t solid rebounders. Getting someone like Josh Hart would go a long way to fixing rebounding woes. It could also be a scheme thing (admittedly I’m not a big X’s and O’s guy though). Without KAT they’ve ran a lot of 3 guard and one forward/wing lineups with Rudy or Naz and that is part of the issue. I’d honestly roll the dice on Minott and see if he can help mend some things until Prince is back.

2. I think it’s naturally getting back to his average but also hsving someone safe and smart like that never hurts. There’s a reason why McLaughlin and Anderson are the net rating leaders of the team (and why Monte Morris would be perfect).

3. I’d love to see any and all Forbes/Rivers minutes go to Minott/Moore.

4. Austin Rivers has a partially guaranteed deal. I’d love to see him waived for Dozier.

5. Yes. I think Ryan gets a shot before we see Forbes again.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#122 » by minimus » Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:25 am

Should we try to give Nathan Knight minutes because of his physicality and rebounding effort?
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#123 » by shrink » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:37 pm

Very interesting Dane Moore podcast after the Clippers game about Ant running the point.

Dane re-ran a clip from his off-season interview with DLo. He told a story about a game in Miami last year that he got tossed in, and KAT fouled out. finch put the ball in Ant’s hands, and Spoelstra decided to double-team Ant with the ball as soon as he got to the midcourt, played very physical with him, and really took him out of it. After the game, Ant said something like “man, I ain’t never been in a situation like that!” and DLo told him, “yeah, that’s all part of the learning curve, you gotta live those situations to grow.”

Flash forward to the last couple games. MIN faced the Clippers in LA without either of their PGs, Finch put the ball in Ant’s hands, and Lue double-teamed him. Ant was much better than last year, and the team was up by five at halftime, but eventually lost by ten. The podcasters marveled at seeing their 21-year old double-teamed as soon as he brought the ball into the front court. There are only a few players in the NBA who face that challenge, and they mentioned Luka specifically, but quickly added that Ant is no Luka, and DAL has shooters like Wood, Dinwiddie, THJ, Green and Maxi to pass to.

Last night against CHI, Ant played a lot of PG/back up with DLo embracing his inner shooting guard. Wolves looked great with the ball in Ant’s hands, and he made some great finds en route to 11 assists, and the team putting up a buck fifty without Towns, Gobert, Prince and MacLaughlin.

I used to think that Ant could develop into a useful back up PG, and Finch probably only carries two PG’s on the roster to lean that way. But if we lose DLo, could Ant be the starter? I feel like many teams are foregoing the traditional PG position and just putting the ball in the hands of their best player. This also takes a short guy off the floor on defenses that switch a lot. Would a super-sized line up of Ant, Jaden, SloMo, KAT, Gobert work?
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#124 » by Guest84 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:56 pm

shrink wrote:Very interesting Dane Moore podcast after the Clippers game about Ant running the point.

I used to think that Ant could develop into a useful back up PG, and Finch probably only carries two PG’s on the roster to lean that way. But if we lose DLo, could Ant be the starter? I feel like many teams are foregoing the traditional PG position and just putting the ball in the hands of their best player. This also takes a short guy off the floor on defenses that switch a lot. Would a super-sized line up of Ant, Jaden, SloMo, KAT, Gobert work?


While I like Ant handling the ball more to improve his playmaking, that lineup lacks consistent shooters to me. Outside of Kat, I would only use it in spot/emergency situations with a healthy roster.

I would prefer to see Ant in more of a D-Wade type role. I think Finch needs to draw up more plays to have him backdoor cut for easy buckets. A lot of times he still works too hard for his points. Which leads to him getting fatigued too early in games.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#125 » by shrink » Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:33 pm

Ok, it feels like we can’t keep Naz on the bench when Towns is back. But Naz can’t play PF.

Does it make sense to make Towns exclusively a PF? It seems ridiculous to move the All-NBA center out of position completely?
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#126 » by minimus » Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:39 am

shrink wrote:Ok, it feels like we can’t keep Naz on the bench when Towns is back. But Naz can’t play PF.

Does it make sense to make Towns exclusively a PF? It seems ridiculous to move the All-NBA center out of position completely?


What is benefit for other team to acquire Reid via trade now? They get bird right and can pay 58/4 regardless of cap situation?

I dont see how we can find enough minutes for Gobert, Towns and Reid...
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#127 » by Neeva » Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:56 am

Can we get a first for Naz?
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#128 » by shangrila » Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:05 am

minimus wrote:
shrink wrote:Ok, it feels like we can’t keep Naz on the bench when Towns is back. But Naz can’t play PF.

Does it make sense to make Towns exclusively a PF? It seems ridiculous to move the All-NBA center out of position completely?


What is benefit for other team to acquire Reid via trade now? They get bird right and can pay 58/4 regardless of cap situation?

I dont see how we can find enough minutes for Gobert, Towns and Reid...

We can't, because they can't play together.

In roughly 85 minutes together the Reid-Gobert pairing is at -16 points net. Apparently he hasn't played enough minutes next to Towns either this season or last to register for BBall Reference but I'd imagine it's a similar story.

He's not a 4 nor can he play the 4 in spurts.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#129 » by minimus » Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:21 am

shangrila wrote:
minimus wrote:
shrink wrote:Ok, it feels like we can’t keep Naz on the bench when Towns is back. But Naz can’t play PF.

Does it make sense to make Towns exclusively a PF? It seems ridiculous to move the All-NBA center out of position completely?


What is benefit for other team to acquire Reid via trade now? They get bird right and can pay 58/4 regardless of cap situation?

I dont see how we can find enough minutes for Gobert, Towns and Reid...

We can't, because they can't play together.

In roughly 85 minutes together the Reid-Gobert pairing is at -16 points net. Apparently he hasn't played enough minutes next to Towns either this season or last to register for BBall Reference but I'd imagine it's a similar story.

He's not a 4 nor can he play the 4 in spurts.


Yes, that is my impression too. Reid cant play PF.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#130 » by shrink » Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:23 pm

minimus wrote:
shrink wrote:Ok, it feels like we can’t keep Naz on the bench when Towns is back. But Naz can’t play PF.

Does it make sense to make Towns exclusively a PF? It seems ridiculous to move the All-NBA center out of position completely?


What is benefit for other team to acquire Reid via trade now? They get bird right and can pay 58/4 regardless of cap situation?

Each team has it’s own specific value for what a player is worth, based on it’s own situation. To get a first for Naz, that team would have to meet most of these criteria.

1. Win-now, and important to win this season.
2. Has a specific positional need for a starting center.
3. Has a team-skills need for blocks, shooting, and scoring, and doesn’t need defense. There are a lot of other centers out there who have strengths and weaknesses that you can get cheap.
4. A team that wants to sign Naz this off-season, and bonus if they are over per the cap and need his Bird rights.

As you can see, MIN only meets maybe one of those criteria, since we have Gobert and Towns, so he’s simply worth more to virtually any other team. The key would be finding the team where he fits best who would pay a late 1st.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#131 » by moss_is_1 » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:35 pm

Neeva wrote:Can we get a first for Naz?

If we can we have to take it. I think Naz is a real good player, and love the effort he's put in to becoming a better player/transforming his body, but it's obvious he's not going to be playing as much with KAT and Rudy ahead of him.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#132 » by shrink » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:56 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:
Neeva wrote:Can we get a first for Naz?

If we can we have to take it. I think Naz is a real good player, and love the effort he's put in to becoming a better player/transforming his body, but it's obvious he's not going to be playing as much with KAT and Rudy ahead of him.

Right. And if he gets an offer for $10+ this summer, we can’t afford to match it for him to ride the bench, so we’d lose him for nothing.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#133 » by _AIJ_ » Sat Dec 31, 2022 10:01 pm

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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#134 » by minimus » Tue Jan 3, 2023 8:46 am

It looks like Kyle Anderson is a key to unlock point Ant. Amirite?
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#135 » by Danimals » Fri Jan 6, 2023 3:57 am

Post Dlo, Naz, and Nowell trade; and fully healthy I’d like to see something like this:

????? 30 McLaughlin 18
Edwards 30 Rivers 18
McDaniels 30 Prince 14 Edwards 4
Towns 16 Anderson 24 Prince 8
Gobert 30 Towns 18

Ant and Kat at 34 mins
New PG, BigMac, and Gobert at 30 mins
SloMo and TP at 24 mins
LilMac and Rivers at 18
Steph Curry—————Ricky
Michael Jordan———Ant
Lebron James————KG
Kevin Garnett————Love
Nikola Jokic—————KAT
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#136 » by minimus » Sun Jan 8, 2023 8:48 pm

Thats why we need PoA defender from the bench.

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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#137 » by Danimals » Sun Jan 8, 2023 8:58 pm

We need another in the starting lineup as well.
Steph Curry—————Ricky
Michael Jordan———Ant
Lebron James————KG
Kevin Garnett————Love
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#138 » by wolves_89 » Mon Jan 9, 2023 5:18 am

Watching the last 4 games where things are starting to come together, I've come away seeing two clear areas for improvement that should be achievable.

First, the easiest path to improving the rotation is to find someone better to take most of the Nowell/Rivers minutes. Adding a good point of attack defender to take those minutes would go a long way towards improving the Wolves defense.

Second, adjust how DLO is used. He is a poor fit as a PG, but I think he could be decent in a SG role. Have someone else bring the ball up (DLO is often incredibly slow at this) and initiate the offense. The Wolves also need to always have good defenders at the other guard spot and at small forward when DLO is on the court (Ant, McDaniels, and ???). Pairing DLO and Nowell is a disaster for the defense.

Basically, the ideal addition would be a bench PG that is good at the defending the point of attack and will push the ball up quickly, initiate the offense, and keep the ball moving. I'd be looking for a bigger version of Jordan McLaughlin or a return of Patrick Beverley.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#139 » by minimus » Mon Jan 9, 2023 9:06 am

wolves_89 wrote:Watching the last 4 games where things are starting to come together, I've come away seeing two clear areas for improvement that should be achievable.

First, the easiest path to improving the rotation is to find someone better to take most of the Nowell/Rivers minutes. Adding a good point of attack defender to take those minutes would go a long way towards improving the Wolves defense.

Second, adjust how DLO is used. He is a poor fit as a PG, but I think he could be decent in a SG role. Have someone else bring the ball up (DLO is often incredibly slow at this) and initiate the offense. The Wolves also need to always have good defenders at the other guard spot and at small forward when DLO is on the court (Ant, McDaniels, and ???). Pairing DLO and Nowell is a disaster for the defense.

Basically, the ideal addition would be a bench PG that is good at the defending the point of attack and will push the ball up quickly, initiate the offense, and keep the ball moving. I'd be looking for a bigger version of Jordan McLaughlin or a return of Patrick Beverley.


I want Moore to take all Forbes minutes. I understand why Finch still gives a chance to Nowell, but Jaylen has been playing really bad.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#140 » by Big_Red1988 » Mon Jan 9, 2023 11:09 am

Watching the last 4 games, there is definitely 1 line up that I have loved. They either solidify leads, stop comebacks from other teams or in the game against the Rockets were instrumental in the comeback.

That lineup is:

Ant
Anderson
Prince
McDaniels
Gobert

I don't know the exact stats of this lineup together, but the eye test looks really good.

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