Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[Jadoogar]

When I really drill down and look at potential teams for Siakam, it feels like the Nets make the most sense. Joe Harris, Seth Curry, Patty Mills, 4 firsts and 2 swaps sort of thing. We bet on Kyrie leaving and KD aging or leaving or getting hurt again and Siakam and Simmons being as bad a fit as Barnes/Siakam.

Do the Nets even have their picks? i think they gave up a bunch in the Harden trade.

I think - could be wrong - but looks like they can part with:
1. 2029 or 2030 unprotected (Raptors choice)
2. 2028 swap
3. Philly 2027 1st, top 8 protected for that year and 2028

So yeah, probably you need Simmons in there as a 3 way deal to make the value work.

Yea these picks are too far down the line to move Siakam for. I think Nets are "stuck" (i use quote because when healthy they are pretty darn good) for a little while.

[Raptors Realtor]

Toronto Raptors

Trade meter: 8

What to watch: Fred VanVleet and Gary Trent Jr.

For a second time in three seasons, Raptors President of Basketball Operations Masai Ujiri finds himself at a crossroads with an underachieving roster.

This time instead of exploring trade options for Kyle Lowry and Norman Powell, the Raptors' front office is now tasked with deciding the futures of Fred VanVleet and Gary Trent Jr.

VanVleet has a $22.8 million player option for next season and is eligible to sign a four-year, $114 million extension, something that he has tabled for now.

"Without going too far into it ... [I'm] just trying to put myself in a good position businesswise, and not take an extension on a deal that was made three or four years ago," VanVleet told ESPN's Tim Bontemps. "I felt like I've outplayed that contract thus far. So just trying to get myself in a position to put the cards in their hands. They have to make a decision from an organization standpoint."

VanVleet is right that he has outplayed the four-year, $85 million contract that he signed in 2020. His $21.2 million salary this season ranks No. 19 among all point guards.

However, would a new contract with a premium salary -- think north of $30 million per year -- be rewarding VanVleet for what he's done in the past or paying him for what the future holds?

VanVleet is coming off an All-Star year, has won a championship and is only 28 years old. In the past four seasons, he has averaged 36.8 minutes per game (second overall to James Harden), but has missed a total of 63 games due to various injuries. He is also shooting a career low 32.9% from 3 this season.

The decision on Trent comes down to one question: Can Toronto afford to pay its fifth-best player north of $20 million per year on a new contract?

Trent is averaging a career high 18.2 points per game and has topped the 20-point mark 15 times this season, but he is likely the odd man out because of his $18.8 million player option for next season.

In addition to VanVleet this offseason, Toronto will likely hand out significant pay raises to Pascal Siakam and O.G. Anunoby in 2024-25 and Scottie Barnes the following year.

Front-office trade history: Masai Ujiri has made 22 trades since 2013, including 12 during the regular season.

Last regular-season trade: Traded Goran Dragic and a 2022 first-round pick (Malaki Branham) to San Antonio for Thaddeus Young, Drew Eubanks and a 2022 second-round pick (Christian Koloko).

Trade we would like to see: Trent to New Orleans for Devonte' Graham, Jaxson Hayes and a 2027 first-round pick (less favorable of New Orleans and Milwaukee). If either first falls in the top-5, New Orleans will send Toronto 2028 and 2029 second-round picks.

Trade exceptions: None

Cash available: $6.4 million (to send out) $6.4 million (to receive)

Salary info and restrictions:

Toronto is $4.5 million below the luxury tax and has an open roster spot.

Draft assets:

The Raptors have their own first-round pick in the next seven years.

Toronto has six second-round picks available to use in a trade.

That's a good deal for the Pels, but does nothing for the Raps... Taking on Graham's bad contract past this season alone is worth more then a 1st rounder 4 years from now, and Hayes isn't someone who'd become part of our core.

[agkagk]

Do the Nets even have their picks? i think they gave up a bunch in the Harden trade.

I think - could be wrong - but looks like they can part with:
1. 2029 or 2030 unprotected (Raptors choice)
2. 2028 swap
3. Philly 2027 1st, top 8 protected for that year and 2028

So yeah, probably you need Simmons in there as a 3 way deal to make the value work.

Yea these picks are too far down the line to move Siakam for. I think Nets are "stuck" (i use quote because when healthy they are pretty darn good) for a little while.

this is definitely worse than the vince carter trade.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[WuTang_CMB]

Toronto Raptors

Trade meter: 8

What to watch: Fred VanVleet and Gary Trent Jr.

For a second time in three seasons, Raptors President of Basketball Operations Masai Ujiri finds himself at a crossroads with an underachieving roster.

This time instead of exploring trade options for Kyle Lowry and Norman Powell, the Raptors' front office is now tasked with deciding the futures of Fred VanVleet and Gary Trent Jr.

VanVleet has a $22.8 million player option for next season and is eligible to sign a four-year, $114 million extension, something that he has tabled for now.

"Without going too far into it ... [I'm] just trying to put myself in a good position businesswise, and not take an extension on a deal that was made three or four years ago," VanVleet told ESPN's Tim Bontemps. "I felt like I've outplayed that contract thus far. So just trying to get myself in a position to put the cards in their hands. They have to make a decision from an organization standpoint."

VanVleet is right that he has outplayed the four-year, $85 million contract that he signed in 2020. His $21.2 million salary this season ranks No. 19 among all point guards.

However, would a new contract with a premium salary -- think north of $30 million per year -- be rewarding VanVleet for what he's done in the past or paying him for what the future holds?

VanVleet is coming off an All-Star year, has won a championship and is only 28 years old. In the past four seasons, he has averaged 36.8 minutes per game (second overall to James Harden), but has missed a total of 63 games due to various injuries. He is also shooting a career low 32.9% from 3 this season.

The decision on Trent comes down to one question: Can Toronto afford to pay its fifth-best player north of $20 million per year on a new contract?

Trent is averaging a career high 18.2 points per game and has topped the 20-point mark 15 times this season, but he is likely the odd man out because of his $18.8 million player option for next season.

In addition to VanVleet this offseason, Toronto will likely hand out significant pay raises to Pascal Siakam and O.G. Anunoby in 2024-25 and Scottie Barnes the following year.

Front-office trade history: Masai Ujiri has made 22 trades since 2013, including 12 during the regular season.

Last regular-season trade: Traded Goran Dragic and a 2022 first-round pick (Malaki Branham) to San Antonio for Thaddeus Young, Drew Eubanks and a 2022 second-round pick (Christian Koloko).

Trade we would like to see: Trent to New Orleans for Devonte' Graham, Jaxson Hayes and a 2027 first-round pick (less favorable of New Orleans and Milwaukee). If either first falls in the top-5, New Orleans will send Toronto 2028 and 2029 second-round picks.

Trade exceptions: None

Cash available: $6.4 million (to send out) $6.4 million (to receive)

Salary info and restrictions:

Toronto is $4.5 million below the luxury tax and has an open roster spot.

Draft assets:

The Raptors have their own first-round pick in the next seven years.

Toronto has six second-round picks available to use in a trade.

That's a good deal for the Pels, but does nothing for the Raps... Taking on Graham's bad contract past this season alone is worth more then a 1st rounder 4 years from now, and Hayes isn't someone who'd become part of our core.

that deal is total scrap

The goal should be to get another 23' pick or a player similar to trent's situation 2 years ago with upside... ideally both

some team will pay for him. Trents been good this season

[mihaic]

I would try to do a swap to Chicago. They are underperforming too.

Fred and Gary for DeRozan and Caruso and we make a playoff push. Not sure if picks need to be added by either side...

Or Fred and Gary for injured Lonzo, filler and picks, and then we have Malachi command the tank to get us a good pick.

[agkagk]

I would try to do a swap to Chicago. They are underperforming too.

Fred and Gary for DeRozan and Caruso and we make a playoff push. Not sure if picks need to be added by either side...

Or Fred and Gary for injured Lonzo, filler and picks, and then we have Malachi command the tank to get us a good pick.

...but were a worse team after this trade.....probably by a lot.

[mihaic]

I would try to do a swap to Chicago. They are underperforming too.

Fred and Gary for DeRozan and Caruso and we make a playoff push. Not sure if picks need to be added by either side...

Or Fred and Gary for injured Lonzo, filler and picks, and then we have Malachi command the tank to get us a good pick.

...but were a worse team after this trade.....probably by a lot.

The second trade would need Chicago to add a few picks and allow us to tank.

The first trade is even in my opinion. DD is a good scorer in halfcourt to bail the team out. Might work. Caruso would be a good defender. I admit I didn't see Chicago this season so maybe they regressed... My assessment of the Chicago player values could be off.

[WaltFrazier]

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Pass.

Says Boston and Toronto at known to have expressed interest. Which contradicts those here who say we don't even want a C

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I think a 3 teamer with OG out and Ayton in might happen along with GTJ being traded elsewhere.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

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Pass.

Says Boston and Toronto at known to have expressed interest. Which contradicts those here who say we don't even want a C

I disagree that we don't need a C. Even last year, raps were linked to porzingis and claxton. and this offseason we drafted Koloko.
I just don't think its the biggest need for this team esp a tanking one.

[HumbleRen]

Somewhat agree.

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If you can somehow get Simons/filler/picks for OG, you pull the trigger.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Somewhat agree.

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If you can somehow get Simons/filler/picks for OG, you pull the trigger.

I think I’m here too. Especially because I think his comments about wanting a larger role are part of what started this entire mess.

[Childs]

If we trade Fred and Gary, we may average one 3 a game. Perfect tank

[AkelaLoneWolf]

This strategy of operating above cap AND punting draft picks for Thad is stupid as hell. When you are above cap, it's hard to add through FA to improve team meaningfully. So the only way is by adding FRP to upgrade your players via trade - yet FO threw away FRP like it's a liability (rookie contract cost)

So in your mind, drafting Koloko - who has the top net rating in this years' rookie class and is the only legit rim protector we've got - is the source of the Raptors' problems going forward?

Interesting.

That is not what I said.

lol you just posted that FO 'threw away' their FRP implying you're unhappy with their drafting and trading strategy. Who would've you traded along with FRP last year for an upgrade?

[WuTang_CMB]

Griffin should be aggressive for OG. Perfect fit for them.

[DelAbbot]

So in your mind, drafting Koloko - who has the top net rating in this years' rookie class and is the only legit rim protector we've got - is the source of the Raptors' problems going forward?

Interesting.

That is not what I said.

lol you just posted that FO 'threw away' their FRP implying you're unhappy with their drafting and trading strategy. Who would've you traded along with FRP last year for an upgrade?

when did I say Koloko is "the source of the Raptors' problems going forward"

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Somewhat agree.

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If you can somehow get Simons/filler/picks for OG, you pull the trigger.

I think I’m here too. Especially because I think his comments about wanting a larger role are part of what started this entire mess.

I love the 'very good defender' throwaway line in the tweet.
His impact is very measurable. For the short time he was away, our drtg dropped from around 14th to 30th. combined with his offensive output, his impact imo is equal to that of fred's. one step below siakam's.

[DelAbbot]

Somewhat agree.

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If you can somehow get Simons/filler/picks for OG, you pull the trigger.

No

[HumbleRen]

Somewhat agree.

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If you can somehow get Simons/filler/picks for OG, you pull the trigger.

I think I’m here too. Especially because I think his comments about wanting a larger role are part of what started this entire mess.

I love the 'very good defender' throwaway line in the tweet.
His impact is very measurable. For the short time he was away, our drtg dropped from around 14th to 30th. combined with his offensive output, his impact imo is equal to that of fred's. one step below siakam's.

Aye man, we letting Grayson Allen drop 26 on us.

Our halfcourt defence is still ass. Our defence is meh in general. I rather pay a 3&D player who's a step below OG on a fraction of the price vs paying OG a 9 figure deal.