Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[shrink]

Would you guys do Patty Mills, Day'Ron Sharpe, a 2nd round pick for Naz Reid, Bryn Forbes + filler? Wolves add 3pt shooting, a young center replacement (3rd string) for pending FA Reid, and get a 2nd round pick as additional value.

No. Even if the value worked out, we can’t salary match $8.6 mil without giving up Taurean Prince or Kyle Anderson, and they are both too important to our team. You could take out Mills.

I don’t know much about Sharpe or Cam Thomas, but a prospect and a second is interesting for Naz.

If you want Bryn Forbes, you can probably just have him. He hasn’t been shooting well this year in low minutes.

[DarkXaero]

Would you guys do Patty Mills, Day'Ron Sharpe, a 2nd round pick for Naz Reid, Bryn Forbes + filler? Wolves add 3pt shooting, a young center replacement (3rd string) for pending FA Reid, and get a 2nd round pick as additional value.

No. Even if the value worked out, we can’t salary match $8.6 mil without giving up Taurean Prince or Kyle Anderson, and they are both too important to our team. You could take out Mills.

I don’t know much about Sharpe or Cam Thomas, but a prospect and a second is interesting for Naz.

If you want Bryn Forbes, you can probably just have him. He hasn’t been shooting well this year in low minutes.

It actually works salary wise because Wolves have a trade exception from the Vanderbilt trade. So Patty Mills' salary gets traded for Naz, Forbes, another minimum salary filler. And then Sharpe gets absorbed into TPE (separate trade). No Prince or Kyle Anderson needed. I don't want Forbes, I had it in mind as part of a bigger multi team trade. But you're right, Sharpe + 2nd for Reid is a lot simpler.

As for Sharpe, he's a young big with potential to be a rotation center in the NBA if he can make improvements defensively. He has a good attitude and work ethic, but I don't know if he'll make it in NBA, because his defense needs major work. Really good at rebounding. Nets don't really give him any playing time, as they opt to use Ben and KD at 5 instead (when Claxton is off).

[shrink]

Would you guys do Patty Mills, Day'Ron Sharpe, a 2nd round pick for Naz Reid, Bryn Forbes + filler? Wolves add 3pt shooting, a young center replacement (3rd string) for pending FA Reid, and get a 2nd round pick as additional value.

No. Even if the value worked out, we can’t salary match $8.6 mil without giving up Taurean Prince or Kyle Anderson, and they are both too important to our team. You could take out Mills.

I don’t know much about Sharpe or Cam Thomas, but a prospect and a second is interesting for Naz.

If you want Bryn Forbes, you can probably just have him. He hasn’t been shooting well this year in low minutes.

It actually works salary wise because Wolves have a trade exception from the Vanderbilt trade. So Patty Mills' salary gets traded for Naz, Forbes, another minimum salary filler. And then Sharpe gets absorbed into TPE (separate trade). No Prince or Kyle Anderson needed. I don't want Forbes, I had it in mind as part of a bigger multi team trade. But you're right, Sharpe + 2nd for Reid is a lot simpler.

As for Sharpe, he's a young big with potential to be a rotation center in the NBA if he can make improvements defensively. He has a good attitude and work ethic, but I don't know if he'll make it in NBA, because his defense needs major work. Really good at rebounding. Nets don't really give him any playing time, as they opt to use Ben and KD at 5 instead (when Claxton is off).

Sorry - salary matching is my knee jerk reaction to larger trades. Yes the TPE would work structurally, but MIN is only $3.1 mil under the lux, and a 2-for-2 idea adds $4.8 mil in salary. I don’t know who else they’d want to include. They like Nate Knight and use Rivers a lot. Partially guaranteed contracts all got guaranteed a few days ago.

I appreciate the unbiased insight on Sharpe. I will mention though that MIN carries five centers, and when healthy, wants to give all center minutes to Gobert and Towns. A non-center prospect would probably be a more attractive offer. Maybe you could swing Sharpe to a third team where he’d get a little run for a different prospect, or turn him into seconds.

I like the bones of the trade. I don’t know if it will be the best offer for Naz.

[DarkXaero]

No. Even if the value worked out, we can’t salary match $8.6 mil without giving up Taurean Prince or Kyle Anderson, and they are both too important to our team. You could take out Mills.

I don’t know much about Sharpe or Cam Thomas, but a prospect and a second is interesting for Naz.

If you want Bryn Forbes, you can probably just have him. He hasn’t been shooting well this year in low minutes.

It actually works salary wise because Wolves have a trade exception from the Vanderbilt trade. So Patty Mills' salary gets traded for Naz, Forbes, another minimum salary filler. And then Sharpe gets absorbed into TPE (separate trade). No Prince or Kyle Anderson needed. I don't want Forbes, I had it in mind as part of a bigger multi team trade. But you're right, Sharpe + 2nd for Reid is a lot simpler.

As for Sharpe, he's a young big with potential to be a rotation center in the NBA if he can make improvements defensively. He has a good attitude and work ethic, but I don't know if he'll make it in NBA, because his defense needs major work. Really good at rebounding. Nets don't really give him any playing time, as they opt to use Ben and KD at 5 instead (when Claxton is off).

Sorry - salary matching is my knee jerk reaction to larger trades. Yes the TPE would work structurally, but MIN is only $3.1 mil under the lux, and a 2-for-2 idea adds $4.8 mil in salary. I don’t know who else they’d want to include. They like Nate Knight and use Rivers a lot. Partially guaranteed contracts all got guaranteed a few days ago.

I appreciate the unbiased insight on Sharpe. I will mention though that MIN carries five centers, and when healthy, wants to give all center minutes to Gobert and Towns. A non-center prospect would probably be a more attractive offer. Maybe you could swing Sharpe to a third team where he’d get a little run for a different prospect, or turn him into seconds.

I like the bones of the trade. I don’t know if it will be the best offer for Naz.

I actually had Nathan Knight in mind as that filler, didn't think he was valued by Wolves. I think Patty Mills ends up being a part of Wolves rotation in place of whatever Knight offers anyway.

Nets can replace Sharpe with a non center prospect (Cam Thomas or Kessler Edwards), but Cam probably would be more highly valued by the Nets then.

[MN7725]

I have a pipedream that absolutely won't happen, but hear me out because I'm bored...

Phoenix has expressed interest in Fred VanVleet, in large part because he offers them a pathway to extending their championship window. While they could trade expiring contracts for Fred VanVleet (Jae Crowder + Dario Šarić) along with picks (which would be far better for them, that team would be stacked), let's imagine that they are looking to move Chris Paul and restructure their cap, moving forward.

NOTE: Jae Crowder could be substituted for Landry Shamet if Phoenix wants to save longer-term money, but my guess is that they would prefer to trade a malcontent who is giving them no minutes.

The below deal keeps Toronto under the Luxury-Tax and Minnesota right on the margin (discussed further below), while also allowing Phoenix to duck under the Luxury-Tax threshold. I think it is pretty creative, from a salary cap finaggling perspective.

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PHX: Fred VanVleet and Thaddeus Young
OUT: Chris Paul, Jae Crowder, Dario Šarić, and 2023 First Round Draft Pick (1-4 Protected)

Why for Phoenix? Get a younger replacement for Chris Paul and and duck under the Luxury-Tax threshold for this season (save $17MM + $35MM in Repeater Tax penalties). Swap Dario Šarić for the a more well-rounded player in Thaddeus Young, which gives them space to sign Saben Lee to a minimum deal.

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MIN: Chris Paul and Jae Crowder
OUT: D'Angelo Russell, Naz Reid, Jaylen Nowell, 2024 First Round Draft Pick Swap (1-4 Protected), and two seconds

Why for Minnesota? Acquire a stable Point-Guard who is better suited to stabilizing the team offensively and leading the team (both on and off the court). Hope you can rekindle what Chris Paul did for both Phoenix and Oklahoma City. Gamble on Jae Crowder coming in ready to play. Minnesota would be with $300K of being under the Luxury-Tax.

*Minnesota receives lesser of Phoenix and Minnesota 2024 First.

Chris Paul / Kyle Anderson / Jordan McLaughlin
Anthony Edwards / Jaylen Nowell / Austin Rivers
Jaden McDaniels / Taurean Prince / Wendell Moore Jr.
Karl-Anthony Towns / Jae Crowder / Josh Minott
Rudy Gobert / Nathan Knight

2WP: Matt Ryan and Luka Garza

Near the Trade Deadline, Minnesota would send Austin Rivers and cash to a team (or trade Jaylen Nowell to someone). Minnesota would then have space to sign one free-agent, upgrade Luka Garza to a long-term deal (if they wanted), and then sign one more two-way player.
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SAS: Dario Šarić, Bryn Forbes, and two Minnesota seconds
OUT: Protected Second (31-55)

Why for San Antonio? Get two seconds in exchange for waiving Dario Šarić and Bryn Forbes. Use up a third of their remaining cap space.

Waive Stanley Johnson and then resign him, similar to what they are doing for Gorgui Dieng.

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TOR: D'Angelo Russell, Naz Reid, PHX 2023 FRP, MIN2024 FRP Swap, and SAS Second
OUT: Fred VanVleet and Thaddeus Young

Why for Toronto? Downgrade (kind of lateral) at Point-Guard in exchange for a fringe starting-quality big man who fits well with their other young players, a First Round Draft Pick, and a swap with Minnesota in 2024.

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Not that it would change anything but you have Nowell listed as going out, but then Forbes coming into Spurs

Reminds me of the Marbury, Cassell, T Brandon trade way back

You think it's a pipe dream for Wolves because Toronto and Phoenix would just do a deal themselves?

[MN7725]

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Any interest in paying Cam this summer?

He's got talent, there seems to be one or two guys from every draft class that is basically given up on and then figures it out


2017- Malik Monk, Thomas Bryant (injuries), DSJ, Lauri to an extent since he is on his 3rd team
2018- Bagley, Lonnie Walker, Diallo, Vanderbilt
2019- Cam, Hachimura, Thybulle, seem to be in same boat, Bol Bol has done well with Orl after bouncing around

I always put a lot of stock in players that perform well in playoffs, and Cam did well coming off of injury for the Hawks when the made Conference Finals, was probably Hawks best option defending Middleton

RFA is a huge benefit for teams, so the "paying Cam" is only an issue if he explodes

[MN7725]

I wonder if Jalen McDaniels would do a Phoenix era Morris Twins discount deal with Jaden on the Wolves

[moss_is_1]

If we can't trade Dlo, I hope he accepts a 6th man role. Slomo has been too valuable to bench when Kat comes back. Let's embrace the huge lineup.
Slomo-Ant-Jaden-Kat-Rudy


Also if we do end up trading Naz we better immediately lock up Garza to a deal.

[Dalvin]

I wonder if a 3 team trade gets it done for D'Lo

Heat gets D'Lo for Lowry and draft compensations. Heat has supposed interest in him for whatever reason.

Jazz get Lowry and draft compensations for Conley. Jazz can definitely sit Lowry if he's already cooked and they can go for the Wembanyama seeepstakes already, the draft compensation is to make up for the Wolves pick becoming worse this year by giving us Conley

Wolves get Conley for D'Lo. Frankly, I prefer a pg who already has chemistry with Gobert (Rubio would be ideal too). Conley definitely helps in playmaking too and can definitely make our team better in the 20 or so minutes he plays per game setting up plays and playing good D instead of D'Lo who just checks out and seems to do a ton of sloppy turnovers for whatever reason

[minimus]

I wonder if we can trade Reid/Nowell for another young player on 2nd or 3rd year of contract. Guys like Kira Lewis, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Tre Jones etc?

I am thinking about Kyle Lowry career where at the beginning of his NBA career he was a backup PG. Can we find someone who can be developed in similar way?

P.S. I also have read that Kyle Lowry and Conley are good friends.

[minimus]

I also wonder what if we replace DLo flashy passing (and dumb turnovers) and red-hot (and inconsistent) shooting with high energy, 100% effort guy, who will run both in defense and offense in transition, defend and hit wide open 3s at league average?

[MN7725]

I wonder if a 3 team trade gets it done for D'Lo

Heat gets D'Lo for Lowry and draft compensations. Heat has supposed interest in him for whatever reason.

Jazz get Lowry and draft compensations for Conley. Jazz can definitely sit Lowry if he's already cooked and they can go for the Wembanyama seeepstakes already, the draft compensation is to make up for the Wolves pick becoming worse this year by giving us Conley

Wolves get Conley for D'Lo. Frankly, I prefer a pg who already has chemistry with Gobert (Rubio would be ideal too). Conley definitely helps in playmaking too and can definitely make our team better in the 20 or so minutes he plays per game setting up plays and playing good D instead of D'Lo who just checks out and seems to do a ton of sloppy turnovers for whatever reason

I've made this point before, but I'm curious how Lowry would be looking if he was playing 28-29 MPG like Conley is rather than the 35-36 MPG he had been most of the season

[moss_is_1]

Starting to think with how great Slomo and Jaden have been, Kat and Gobert tied into for the future, if we can sell high on Prince. Really love his play, but if the right deal comes along and someone overpaid? Just question if we've got minutes to consistently play 6 guys in 3 positions(not even including Naz or Garza/Knight).

[Danimals]

I definitely think we need to keep both SloMo, Prince, and Rivers. Then add another veteran role player who can play the 2-3. Guys at this age are going to miss games and we need legitimate, rotation worthy depth to compete. Someone like Burks or Richardson in Nowell’s spot would go a long way on this team.

[Note30]

I really think KAT is gone this offseason

[80HD]

I really think KAT is gone this offseason

With Kyle Anderson’s emergence, I’m ok with that as long as we can get a stud PG. Not sure who would be available, though.

Gobert
KA
JMAC
Ant
(All NBA PG)

Man, I love KA.

I don’t see any All NBA point guards being available - that said, we need to keep KAT trade DLo this season for a steady PG. CP3 is the only guy I want, even if only for 1-2 seasons.

The best season in MN was the 03-04 season and that team was pretty much a one-season wonder.

[cmoss84]

I don't know nearly as much as most of you, and watch far less NBA than I used to. So most of you might disagree with my armchair GM deals. But here is where I'm at:
1) keep KAT. Fine tune his role, cut down on minutes slightly.
2) go all in on Ben Simmons. Huge risk, but I see this as his perfect environment to succeed. This will take a miracle to pull off. Hopefully nets keep sinking until trade deadline.
Might send out a package such as:
Dlo, Nowell, Prince, Naz. Maybe get Mills/Curry in the deal. Dump Forbes.
3) really like Naz, but sign Garza to cheaper contract to replace

[shangrila]

There's no way Simmons is realistic. Not for that package.

[cmoss84]

Who do you think it takes? I'm probably quite a ways off

[cmoss84]

Would Naz and Nowell for Ibaka tidy up our defense and give us a vet presence? Just dont want to waste these 2 for nothing...