Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

Oakvillehoops · Post #1141 » by **Oakvillehoops** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:28 pm

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Yeezus_ · Post #1144 » by **Yeezus_** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:39 pm

Pels can really use some shooting and Gary fits that need. Something like Herb Jones and a future first + filler for Gary would work. I'm not completely convinced Gary has more trade value than that. As for us, Herb is an elite defender and surprisingly shot well last season that fits with a rebuild.

tdotrep2 · Post #1145 » by **tdotrep2** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:40 pm

Yeezus_ wrote:Pels can really use some shooting and Gary fits that need. Something like Herb Jones and a future first + filler for Gary would work. I'm not completely convinced Gary has more trade value than that. As for us, Herb is an elite defender and surprisingly shot well last season that fits with a rebuild.

this fanbase overrates the hell out of our players. Why would the pelicans give us herb jones for a expiring gary whos looking for a big payday, on top of this throw in a first.

SurgeIblocka · Post #1146 » by **SurgeIblocka** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:41 pm

Klaw22 wrote:
SurgeIblocka wrote:
Oakvillehoops wrote:My sources are telling me management is very caught off guard by the situation we’re in. They truly believed this team was always about to turn it around.

Leaning towards one trade and a Tampa stealth tank. And more concerned how to compete right away again next year with the new rookie addition and a bench re tool

They are “open” anything. But this isn’t new for Masai, he will always “listen”

How can this management be ok with one trade??

So they are ok with OG, Trent and Fred walking and getting nothing back? I guarantee neither of those three want to stay on this team anymore unless we are the only team severely overpaying them. If thats the case then this management group is out to lunch and needs to be replaced. They did the same sht with Ibaka and lost him in free agency for nothing, they didnt want to trade fred for PG and lost Kawhi, and they actually think Fred and Trent and OG want to stay here to build on what exactly?? No capspace after signing those three, and improve how? By having Scottie turn into prime Magic somehow. Yeah no one is that gullable, this team aint improving unless they trade multiple players or they lose all three and go into free agency if lucky maybe with with enough capspace to sign one piece. They are just stubborn and dont want to admit they fd up and its time to blow it up.

OG is under contract for the next season, after that he can decline his player option. So it's basically fred and gtj. Trade these 2 mfers

Yes I know OG is under contract for another year, but we would get way more value from trading OG right now than we would next year as an expiring. For cap strapped teams that is ideal to have another year of OG including this years playoff run. In reality we need to trade these players now and not hold onto hope this team will miraculously some how become a contender. Writting is on the wall, any coming expirings over the next two years, unless they strongly signal they want to stay, i would trade to best bidder.

Masai and Bobby constantly over the last 3 years have held onto players way to long and lost a lot of value in trades. Hoping we may still be contenders when Kawhi left is absolute insanity.

Kurtz · Post #1147 » by **Kurtz** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:41 pm

Yeezus_ wrote:Pels can really use some shooting and Gary fits that need. Something like Herb Jones and a future first + filler for Gary would work. I'm not completely convinced Gary has more trade value than that. As for us, Herb is an elite defender and surprisingly shot well last season that fits with a rebuild.

I'd love that deal, although I think Herb is worth more than Gary. Herb would also be a good OG replacement if we deal OG.

Yeezus_ · Post #1148 » by **Yeezus_** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:42 pm

tdotrep2 wrote:
Yeezus_ wrote:Pels can really use some shooting and Gary fits that need. Something like Herb Jones and a future first + filler for Gary would work. I'm not completely convinced Gary has more trade value than that. As for us, Herb is an elite defender and surprisingly shot well last season that fits with a rebuild.

this fanbase overrates the hell out of our players. Why would the pelicans give us herb jones for a expiring gary whos looking for a big payday, on top of this throw in a first.

They'd have Gary's bird rights to sign to another deal and won't be in the luxury tax even if they extend him from what I understand. The future first would be some heavy protection on it. Not the Lakers picks or swaps they have.

Teams are collapsing heavy on Zion because the Pels dont have enough shooting. Gary would get so many open looks off Point Zion.

Yeezus_ · Post #1149 » by **Yeezus_** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:43 pm

Pels can honestly make the finals out west with the right trades this deadline. They have most of the pieces.

YogurtProducer · Post #1150 » by **YogurtProducer** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:46 pm

Yeezus_ wrote:
tdotrep2 wrote:
Yeezus_ wrote:Pels can really use some shooting and Gary fits that need. Something like Herb Jones and a future first + filler for Gary would work. I'm not completely convinced Gary has more trade value than that. As for us, Herb is an elite defender and surprisingly shot well last season that fits with a rebuild.

this fanbase overrates the hell out of our players. Why would the pelicans give us herb jones for a expiring gary whos looking for a big payday, on top of this throw in a first.

They'd have Gary's bird rights to sign to another deal and won't be in the luxury tax even if they extend him from what I understand. The future first would be some heavy protection on it. Not the Lakers picks or swaps they have.

Teams are collapsing heavy on Zion because the Pels dont have enough shooting. Gary would get so many open looks off Point Zion.

Gary is still young enough that he might be worth hanging onto.

Obviously getting Herb + picks would be a no brainer but I cannot see that happening

PhilBlackson · Post #1151 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:55 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Nonstarter for me to trade OG without getting Murphy back. That's the main guy on that deal.

I’m with you (like a few others) on this. Not like I’d be upset if it was Daniels instead, I know that’s the kid management targeted in the draft. But I just think assuming we keep Pascal & Scottie together that he has a similar upside but with a different strength (shooting vs DD’s versatility as a ball handler/playmaker). I think Murphy could be a better scorer if he was featured more on a team & just a far more natural fit with them instead of bringing back another playmaker (not necessarily a shot creator as in for himself).

Personally my focus in an OG trade would be for him & the Laker pick (they can throw on top 1 or 2 protection if need be). Gives us a locked in elite shooting 3&D (who I think could be more than just that) & a shot to add another good rookie and we don’t have to worry about either contract for yeeeears.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #1152 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:04 pm

Kurtz wrote:
Yeezus_ wrote:Pels can really use some shooting and Gary fits that need. Something like Herb Jones and a future first + filler for Gary would work. I'm not completely convinced Gary has more trade value than that. As for us, Herb is an elite defender and surprisingly shot well last season that fits with a rebuild.

I'd love that deal, although I think Herb is worth more than Gary. Herb would also be a good OG replacement if we deal OG.

Herb Jones and and Trey Murphy for OG is something I would pursue. don't know how the salaries would work out though since they make so little

YogurtProducer · Post #1153 » by **YogurtProducer** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:08 pm

I wonder if NOP would want GTJ and OG? Something surrounding Murphy and Daniels. They got a lot of young intersting guys you can add in like Alverado, Lewis, Herb, Marshall,

WuTang_CMB · Post #1154 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:10 pm

Whats good is that Masai kept his ground at deadline with kyle 2 yrs ago. Showed as a negotiator he wont bend and his word is his word.

If teams dont want to meet asking price for our most prize guys, just dont deal them. Wont matter for og at deadline or offseason.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1155 » by **Rapsfan07** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:10 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:I wonder if NOP would want GTJ and OG? Something surrounding Murphy and Daniels. They got a lot of young intersting guys you can add in like Alverado, Lewis, Herb, Marshall,

The issue is the salaries. If they take on both OG AND Trent, they'll have to gut their whole bench just to make the numbers work. Not to mention the question of value

PhilBlackson · Post #1156 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:14 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
Yeezus_ wrote:Pels can really use some shooting and Gary fits that need. Something like Herb Jones and a future first + filler for Gary would work. I'm not completely convinced Gary has more trade value than that. As for us, Herb is an elite defender and surprisingly shot well last season that fits with a rebuild.

I'd love that deal, although I think Herb is worth more than Gary. Herb would also be a good OG replacement if we deal OG.

Herb Jones and and Trey Murphy for OG is something I would pursue. don't know how the salaries would work out though since they make so little

As most people have said that have talked about a deal with NOP, it would have to include Graham (period). NOP needs to shed his salary but I really don't think OG would get both of those guys, unproven Dyson + Herb?! Maybe but I don't think they give both of their best young wings (not named Zion & Brandon). I think if it's Daniels, we could push for a little more because he's still fairly unproven & with Trey, it's basically him & pick (IF Griffin is ok with letting go of Murphy, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually angled for Dyson/Jones considering Herb is a FA with a pick again. However I think it will require top 2 protection for them to act now because no one wants to risk being the team that traded the pick that ends up being VIc or Scoot. But damn imagine getting Murphy & say Brandon Miller in the draft PLUS we still had our own lol ahhh if only. Hopefully a deal with NOP gets done (and soon).

PhilBlackson · Post #1157 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:22 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:I wonder if NOP would want GTJ and OG? Something surrounding Murphy and Daniels. They got a lot of young intersting guys you can add in like Alverado, Lewis, Herb, Marshall,

I think it's either/or (with OG being the most realistic) and my target would be Murphy instead of Daniels.

Just too much salary for them to take/too much pieces would need to head the other way and/or too much money they'd need to retain both unless they did almost the unthinkable and traded CJ which would be kinda hilarious but obv incredibly unlikely. Personally if I'm NOP the only player I'd have interest in is OG (period). I'd see him as a final piece of the puzzle to REALLY contend, so he could be their "Smart, Jrue, Wiggins" type of lockdown defender to wear the hell outta the opposing team's best player over the course of a series. I don't think Gary is necessary with CJ there (as he wasn't in POR) & Fred just hasn't looked good enough this season, not to mention they'd have to pay him too much/too soon.

OakleyDokely · Post #1158 » by **OakleyDokely** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:23 pm

My only two holds would be Barnes and OG. I'd take serious offers on the rest of the roster.

OG's still young and he's such a plug and play player that he fits with any type of team you want to build. The moment you trade him is the moment you're looking for another guy like him, which you wont find because there's almost nobody who can hits 3s and guard 1-5 at the level he can.

billy_hoyle · Post #1159 » by **billy_hoyle** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:25 pm

I like Dyson Daniels as a prospect, but I'm not sure he's a great fit with Scottie. I'd prefer to target their young 3&D wings.

Something like OG + FVV for:

Herb
Murphy
Lakers pick
They keep their top 10 pick rookie.

Salary ballast will have some change of scenery upside out of necessity. Hayes, Graham, Lewis Jr and Temple needed to match.

NOP after:
FVV, Dyson Daniels
CJ, Marshall
BI, OG
Zion, Nance
JV, Willy

That's a pretty loaded rotation.

PhilBlackson · Post #1160 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:27 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:My only two holds would be Barnes and OG.

OG's still young and he's such a plug and play player that he fits with any type of team you want to build. The moment you trade him is the moment you're looking for another guy like him, which you wont find because there's almost nobody who can hits 3s and guard 1-5 at the level he can.

I would trade him for Murphy + LAL 23' pick and wouldn't think twice about it.

A lockdown defender is wonderful once you have your star scoring duo but we have one of the best 2nd option scorers in Pascal & Scottie by nature is more a playmaker than a (self) shot-creator. I like Murphy's scoring upside more than OG's, he's not quite the level of OG defensively but he's sure as hell still good enough to hold his own & keep the defence strong. However again he gives the team a higher upside offensively especially as a shooter which is THE greatest need of the roster.

Realistically OG is the player that's going to bring us the real value we need to really upgrade the roster. Fred & Gary likely net you rotation players, maybe a young player going under the radar & mid FRPs or so to build out your depth.