Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[thinktank]

I think I’m off the trade DLo bandwagon.

I don’t think any PG we’d get in return will be worth as much as DLo. Sign him to a good deal this off-season. No one will sign him to a big deal.

Therefore, go after two-way players using Naz and Nowell.

If you can sign him to a reasonable contract, I would keep him. Assuming his contract isn't too high, you can always move him to that 6th man role at some point during his contract. When he's cooking keep him out there, when his shot isn't dropping and he makes a few lazy turnovers, go with another player.

I agree.

Besides Gobert, Prince, and Anderson, we have zero toughness on D.

I think that’s why we lose games we should win.

Move your small one-way playing guys like Naz and Nowell and bring back more grit like Mann.

I want no part of Bones Hyland. That’s not what we lack.

[moss_is_1]

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If we want completely change our identity to defensive minded, we should trade for Caruso. It will be difficult for us to score, since Caruso is close to offensive liability, but I have no doubts that Gobert-MCD-Caruso trio will be an elite defensive core. Add here Anderson and Edwards progress and we might see Gobert-Anderson-MCD-Edwards-Caruso five that can be nightmare for opponent offense.

He's at the top of my wish list. A better matchup for those ultra quick guards, and a change of pace for Jaden, also is a great rebounder for his size.

If we could break Dlo(along with Naz,Nowell) down into Caruso + a true 6th man(like Norman Powell/Kennard, or Gary Trent, Eric Gordon, Clarkson, etc) I'd be pretty damn happy.

Caruso-Jmac
Ant-6th man scorer? - Rivers
Jaden-Prince
KAT-Slomo
Rudy-Knight/Garza

[IceManBK1]

Would Orl be interested in trading us mo bamba for reid+prince?

[BlacJacMac]

Would Orl be interested in trading us mo bamba for reid+prince?

I'm not sure either team does that.

Prince is more valuable to us than another Center. And I doubt we want to pay Mo 10M next year.

And Orlando has no need for Naz, and Prince doesn't really help a lottery team.

So probably fair value?

[Klomp]

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What on earth could Minnesota add to these to make Naz for Bones or Mann worth it for Denver/LAC? This feels like a Wolves leak to up Naz’s value.

OK, I want to circle back to this.

A Bones Hyland trade would get massacred by some in the media because it's Tim just going for "his guys" yet again. However, to me, he's essentially resetting the clock on Jaylen Nowell and maybe even giving an on-court upgrade.

Nowell makes $1,930,681 this year.
Hyland makes $2,201,520 this year AND is under team control for two more seasons.

Trading Naz to Denver is a little scary, but again it's a situation like here in that he really has no path to unseating the starter. So his upside there is an elite backup.

[Dewey]

Status quo … or 1st round pick.

What’s the point of developing players if we’re just gonna give them away? Swap spit for a player the other team don’t want/need? Why? Settling don’t win.

[moss_is_1]

Status quo … or 1st round pick.

What’s the point of developing players if we’re just gonna give them away? Swap spit for a player the other team don’t want/need? Why? Settling don’t win.

You'd rather let Nowell and Naz walk in the offseason for nothing, or get value out of them while we can? Nowell hasn't taken the jump we hoped, Naz we developed as an UDFA, but he's due for a payday and it's not gonna happen here as his best position is occupied by 2 players that are vastly superior to him.

[thinktank]

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What on earth could Minnesota add to these to make Naz for Bones or Mann worth it for Denver/LAC? This feels like a Wolves leak to up Naz’s value.

OK, I want to circle back to this.

A Bones Hyland trade would get massacred by some in the media because it's Tim just going for "his guys" yet again. However, to me, he's essentially resetting the clock on Jaylen Nowell and maybe even giving an on-court upgrade.

Nowell makes $1,930,681 this year.
Hyland makes $2,201,520 this year AND is under team control for two more seasons.

Trading Naz to Denver is a little scary, but again it's a situation like here in that he really has no path to unseating the starter. So his upside there is an elite backup.

As I read this, I’m watching Mann start and play good to great defense, while knocking down a three and another three at the buzzer.

You can start Mann in the playoffs and he guards tough point guards well. George playing point just like Ant does. The fit is good.

[Klomp]

Mann was recently extended. Isn't there any sort of poison pill that complicates that specific negotiation?

[MN7725]

Mann was recently extended. Isn't there any sort of poison pill that complicates that specific negotiation?

I think that is only on rookie scale deals of first round picks, Mann was a 2nd round pick

[thinktank]

Mann was recently extended. Isn't there any sort of poison pill that complicates that specific negotiation?

Not that I’m aware of.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10062821-nba-trade-rumors-clippers-reject-calls-for-terance-mann-eye-upgrades-at-deadline.amp.html

[MN7725]

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What on earth could Minnesota add to these to make Naz for Bones or Mann worth it for Denver/LAC? This feels like a Wolves leak to up Naz’s value.

OK, I want to circle back to this.

A Bones Hyland trade would get massacred by some in the media because it's Tim just going for "his guys" yet again. However, to me, he's essentially resetting the clock on Jaylen Nowell and maybe even giving an on-court upgrade.

Nowell makes $1,930,681 this year.
Hyland makes $2,201,520 this year AND is under team control for two more seasons.

Trading Naz to Denver is a little scary, but again it's a situation like here in that he really has no path to unseating the starter. So his upside there is an elite backup.

As I read this, I’m watching Mann start and play good to great defense, while knocking down a three and another three at the buzzer.

You can start Mann in the playoffs and he guards tough point guards well. George playing point just like Ant does. The fit is good.

honestly having a hard time thinking of five reasonable (non-star) players that I'd rather have over Mann, he or Jaden can handle the big time guard/wing scorers, give ANT a break

but again, not really sure what Wolves can offer Clips

[shrink]

Mann was recently extended. Isn't there any sort of poison pill that complicates that specific negotiation?

I think Klomp’s instincts are on the mark again

Similar to a sign-and-trade arrangement (see question number 92), a team may sign an eligible player to an extension (see question number 58) and immediately trade him to another team. Such an "extend-and-trade" is limited to three seasons, which include any seasons remaining on the player's current contract1. The salary in the first season of the extension can have a 5% raise over the last season of the existing contract, and subsequent raises are limited to 5% of the salary in the first season of the extension

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95

Mann’s salary went from $2 mil to $10 mil, so he is only eligible to be traded six months after signing the extension. Mann signed his extension October 12th.

However, you might want to post on the CBA board. Terance Mann fake-trades are everywhere, including Bobby Marks. I feel like I’m missing something.

[thinktank]

Mann was recently extended. Isn't there any sort of poison pill that complicates that specific negotiation?

I think Klomp’s instincts are on the mark again

Similar to a sign-and-trade arrangement (see question number 92), a team may sign an eligible player to an extension (see question number 58) and immediately trade him to another team. Such an "extend-and-trade" is limited to three seasons, which include any seasons remaining on the player's current contract1. The salary in the first season of the extension can have a 5% raise over the last season of the existing contract, and subsequent raises are limited to 5% of the salary in the first season of the extension

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95

Mann’s salary went from $2 mil to $10 mil, so he is only eligible to be traded six months after signing the extension. Mann signed his extension October 12th.

However, you might want to post on the CBA board. Terance Mann fake-trades are everywhere, including Bobby Marks. I feel like I’m missing something.

The part you quoted doesn’t mention anything about waiting 6 months.

I assume Stein knows what he’s talking about when he says teams have approached the Clippers to acquire Mann via trade.

But more importantly, nothing in your CBA quote above mentions 6 months.

EDIT: Mann’s extension doesn’t kick in until next year. Perhaps that’s why he can be traded now.

[Dewey]

Status quo … or 1st round pick.

What’s the point of developing players if we’re just gonna give them away? Swap spit for a player the other team don’t want/need? Why? Settling don’t win.

You'd rather let Nowell and Naz walk in the offseason for nothing, or get value out of them while we can? Nowell hasn't taken the jump we hoped, Naz we developed as an UDFA, but he's due for a payday and it's not gonna happen here as his best position is occupied by 2 players that are vastly superior to him.

Absolutely… swapping spit is not value. If we don’t wanna pay a player and they are not worth a pick - it smells let’m walk. These trades around here are garbage

[Domejandro]

EDIT: Mann’s extension doesn’t kick in until next year. Perhaps that’s why he can be traded now.

By definition, extensions always kick in at a later date. Haven't looked into this current situation, but every rule is based on when an extension is signed, not once it starts. Karl-Anthony Towns' extension is an example of that.

[Domejandro]

Status quo … or 1st round pick.

What’s the point of developing players if we’re just gonna give them away? Swap spit for a player the other team don’t want/need? Why? Settling don’t win.

You'd rather let Nowell and Naz walk in the offseason for nothing, or get value out of them while we can? Nowell hasn't taken the jump we hoped, Naz we developed as an UDFA, but he's due for a payday and it's not gonna happen here as his best position is occupied by 2 players that are vastly superior to him.

Absolutely… swapping spit is not value. If we don’t wanna pay a player and they are not worth a pick - it smells let’m walk. These trades around here are garbage

Two seconds for Naz Reid would be perfectly adequate value, the "first round pick or bust" take really doesn't make sense.

If Minnesota can get more value for an expiring player than what they bring to the team during this season, then Minnesota should absolutely pursue those options.

[thinktank]

You'd rather let Nowell and Naz walk in the offseason for nothing, or get value out of them while we can? Nowell hasn't taken the jump we hoped, Naz we developed as an UDFA, but he's due for a payday and it's not gonna happen here as his best position is occupied by 2 players that are vastly superior to him.

Absolutely… swapping spit is not value. If we don’t wanna pay a player and they are not worth a pick - it smells let’m walk. These trades around here are garbage

Two seconds for Naz Reid would be perfectly adequate value, the "first round pick or bust" take really doesn't make sense.

If Minnesota can get more value for an expiring player than what they bring to the team during this season, then Minnesota should absolutely pursue those options.

Do you think Mann can be traded is the question.

The media seems to think so.

Wolves chat regulars say no.

[shrink]

Mann was recently extended. Isn't there any sort of poison pill that complicates that specific negotiation?

I think Klomp’s instincts are on the mark again

Similar to a sign-and-trade arrangement (see question number 92), a team may sign an eligible player to an extension (see question number 58) and immediately trade him to another team. Such an "extend-and-trade" is limited to three seasons, which include any seasons remaining on the player's current contract1. The salary in the first season of the extension can have a 5% raise over the last season of the existing contract, and subsequent raises are limited to 5% of the salary in the first season of the extension

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95

Mann’s salary went from $2 mil to $10 mil, so he is only eligible to be traded six months after signing the extension. Mann signed his extension October 12th.

However, you might want to post on the CBA board. Terance Mann fake-trades are everywhere, including Bobby Marks. I feel like I’m missing something.

The part you quoted doesn’t mention anything about waiting 6 months.

I assume Stein knows what he’s talking about when he says teams have approached the Clippers to acquire Mann via trade.

But more importantly, nothing in your CBA quote above mentions 6 months.

EDIT: Mann’s extension doesn’t kick in until next year. Perhaps that’s why he can be traded now.

Also in Question 95

Since an extend-and-trade has greater limits than a regular extension (three seasons2 and 5% raises vs. four seasons2 and 8% raises) the rules restrict teams from extending and trading the player in separate transactions in order to circumvent these limits. If a team extends a player beyond the limits of an extend-and-trade (for example, if they sign a player to a four-year extension), they can't trade the player for six months. Conversely, a team cannot extend a player it receives in trade for six months, if the extension exceeds the limits of an extend-and-trade3.

But I must be missing something. Bobby Marks, Zach Lowe and Keith Smith have also talked about Mann trades.

[BlacJacMac]

Who knows if its just not showing their hand, but the Clippers don't seem very eager to trade Mann. He does seem like a pretty ideal fit with us...

Terance Mann

Mann is the starter now. The front office is not likely to part with him, and there is belief that Mann could be the team’s starting point guard beyond this season, a team source told The Athletic. But Mann is a player that Lue ideally sees as a small forward, and who was out of Lue’s first half rotation as recently as New Year’s Eve at Indiana. Lue prefers to keep a traditional point guard in the rotation.

https://theathletic.com/4116420/2023/01/23/clippers-nba-trade-deadline/