FluLikeSymptoms wrote:KAJ was my first favourite player but I can’t get there. I’ll put it this way- when they first started talking about MJ as the goat, Kareem was not the guy whose place he was taking. Riley probably just doesn’t want to say anyone else.
Kareem played for years while the talent was split up into the NBA and ABA but only made it to the finals twice in the 70s. People getting kicked out of the league, Rick Barry playing in both leagues(and neither). Didn’t see Dr J or other greats for years. He had one championship when he met Magic at 32 years old: then he was he man on two of those 5 Showtime chips, #2 on one and #3 on two. Russell was the man on 11, MJ was the man on 6, Mikan 5, TD 5- yeah I don’t know.
Lakers had lost the coin flip in 79 and Magic had not gone to LA, Kareem probably retires with one ring, don’t think #2 overall pick David Greenwood gets him another one, let alone 5. Even if they’d traded down and taken Moncrief. Yeah I just can’t get there.
This.
There was a huge swathe of KAJ's career where the environment was ripe for titles, but he had a massive drought during his prime that only ended when the Lakers added Magic Johnson.
Russell tends to be overrated as well. For most of his career, there were 10 or fewer NBA teams.
Magic and Bird are both underappreciated these days. Bird joined a 29-win team and immediately turned that franchise into a title contender that won 55+ games every year he was healthy. That they coexisted is the only reason neither had a dominant run during the 80s.
Jordan is the GOAT though.