2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Maybe a 3 way trade with Houston getting Collins and we end up with Gordon/Eason/Martin Jr?? Atlanta would send them Justin Holiday in the deal or something to fill the 2 guard gap?

[sunskerr]

For people looking to trade Ayton and a ton of assets for Siakim, Because they hate Ayton and want him gone, Just marinate for a moment on the raps fans perspective here.

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I wouldn't be against trading for him at all, AS LONG AS it's not an overpay scenario! Something like Ayton/ Shamet/ 2 (lottery protected) 1sts for Siakim/ Trent perhaps? OR maybe just a simple Ayton/ Payne/ future protected 1st for Siakim/ Koloko/ Toronto 23' 2nd?

I want Achiuwa coming back. his mobility at the 5 will be fine to start games. We can substitute him out for one of our true bigs Biyombo or Landale if we're getting out-sized. They'd probably want to keep him. Masai really wanted him and he fits the age of their youngest guys.

Maybe there'd be a way to follow up for Plumlee from CHA?

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Maybe a 3 way trade with Houston getting Collins and we end up with Gordon/Eason/Martin Jr?? Atlanta would send them Justin Holiday in the deal or something to fill the 2 guard gap?

Doesnt make sense as they've already got Sengun whom probably already outranks Collins in terms of prospects by quite a bit. I think with Senguns lack of floor spacing (he can kinda hit a 3 but its nothing thats changing the way the spacing is) Collins would be a disaster.

[Slim Charless]

For people looking to trade Ayton and a ton of assets for Siakim, Because they hate Ayton and want him gone, Just marinate for a moment on the raps fans perspective here.

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I wouldn't be against trading for him at all, AS LONG AS it's not an overpay scenario! Something like Ayton/ Shamet/ 2 (lottery protected) 1sts for Siakim/ Trent perhaps? OR maybe just a simple Ayton/ Payne/ future protected 1st for Siakim/ Koloko/ Toronto 23' 2nd?

I want Achiuwa coming back. his mobility at the 5 will be fine to start games. We can substitute him out for one of our true bigs Biyombo or Landale if we're getting out-sized. They'd probably want to keep him. Masai really wanted him and he fits the age of their youngest guys.

Maybe there'd be a way to follow up for Plumlee from CHA?

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Maybe a 3 way trade with Houston getting Collins and we end up with Gordon/Eason/Martin Jr?? Atlanta would send them Justin Holiday in the deal or something to fill the 2 guard gap?

Doesnt make sense as they've already got Sengun whom probably already outranks Collins in terms of prospects by quite a bit. I think with Senguns lack of floor spacing (he can kinda hit a 3 but its nothing thats changing the way the spacing is) Collins would be a disaster.

I don't think we get all of that. Despite that bad game GoK, Siakam will make all NBA this year. Have you seen his numbers? I think you're trying to suggest the 2 players are equal. They're not. Siakim is putting up 26/8/7-while being the focal point of the other team's defense. He is also a great defender.

We're gonna need to give up more than that. CamJo would be a must, in addition to the picks. Don't know if that'll be worth it to JJ but that's the minimum cost.

[Slim Charless]

The biggest point for us to get Siakam is the cost. Once he makes all NBA then he becomes a super max player. Toronto might not wanna pay that. Ishiba might not either though.

[Blonde]

Damn the Hawks are really trying to move Collins and I’d love to have him here. I think he could really break out on this squad and his contract is very reasonable.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Damn the Hawks are really trying to move Collins and I’d love to have him here. I think he could really break out on this squad and his contract is very reasonable.

I agree completely! If we don't have something else really decent squared away once Ishbia takes possession on Feb 9th, We need to have Atlanta on speed dial! If nothing else, Have Collins focus on being a paint presence/rebounder/rim protector whilst trying to recover his shooting!

[Mr Puddles]

The biggest point for us to get Siakam is the cost. Once he makes all NBA then he becomes a super max player. Toronto might not wanna pay that. Ishiba might not either though.

Even if Ishiba is willing to pay Siakam, is he willing to extend Cam Johnson too? Johnson would basically be a 6th man who could still average 30+ min a game backing up both Bridges and Siakam and spend time on the floor with them with the former sliding to the SG position and the latter playing small ball 5 (that would be our line-up to close games I assume).

Extending Cam Johnson and giving Siakam a supermax would put the Suns DEEP into the tax - so we could potentially lose Cam Johnson in free agency on top of what we'd give up to get Siakam.

[Slim Charless]

The biggest point for us to get Siakam is the cost. Once he makes all NBA then he becomes a super max player. Toronto might not wanna pay that. Ishiba might not either though.

Even if Ishiba is willing to pay Siakam, is he willing to extend Cam Johnson too? Johnson would basically be a 6th man who could still average 30+ min a game backing up both Bridges and Siakam and spend time on the floor with them with the former sliding to the SG position and the latter playing small ball 5 (that would be our line-up to close games I assume).

Extending Cam Johnson and giving Siakam a supermax would put the Suns DEEP into the tax - so we could potentially lose Cam Johnson in free agency on top of what we'd give up to get Siakam.

It'd cost us CamJo to get him. There's no way we'd get Siakam for just Ayton, a couple picks and scraps.

[Ryu]

Damn the Hawks are really trying to move Collins and I’d love to have him here. I think he could really break out on this squad and his contract is very reasonable.

One of the most overrated players in the NBA. Question yourself why Hawks want to trade him. Doesnt play defense, cannot stretch the floor, mediocre rebounder... But yes, he dunks the ball hard.

[Ryu]

Siakam at supermax? I can guarantee we wont win the ring any time soon with Book and Siakam eating up to 70% of salary cap.

[Ryu]

My two cents: resign Cam Johnson and continue with the core of Book, Da, Mikal, Cam, upgrade the PF this trade deadline and try to find good CP3 replacement in a year time.

[Blonde]

Damn the Hawks are really trying to move Collins and I’d love to have him here. I think he could really break out on this squad and his contract is very reasonable.

One of the most overrated players in the NBA. Question yourself why Hawks want to trade him. Doesnt play defense, cannot stretch the floor, mediocre rebounder... But yes, he dunks the ball hard.

I mean he’s one of the better rebounders in the league and has been at least an average floor spacer in 5/6 seasons in the league. I can get thinking he’s overrated but most of your critique doesn’t hold up.

[Djedefre]

That core's going nowhere. Simply not enough talent. We can either trade for a legit 2nd option or keep the status quo and slowly fade into mediocrity.

[BobbieL]

I don't want Jones putting any draft picks at risk this - well first rounders

but I want them to be a bit bold. Crowder for whatever - granted it probably helps the team more than what Crowder has given - but want something more

The west can be won if the Suns are healthy

[shrink]

Hey guys, MIN fan here, just checking in on my longtime secret crush, the Phoenix Suns. I thought I could give you a little inside info you might appreciate on D’Angelo Russell.

DLo has been very available for trade. He was eligible for extension last season and didn’t get one, and a couple weeks ago, DLo’s people approached management and apparently didn’t get a number they liked. DLo unfollowed the Timberwolves on Instagram and liked Fred VanVleet’s tweet, “bet on yourself.” MIN’s payroll next year is over the cap but well under the lux, so if DLo walks, they lose the salary slot, so they are probably motivated to sell, and can take on one more year of even bad money. Longer than that is problematic, as Towns and Ant’s maxes kick in, and the Wolves will go well into the lux.

And as President and co-founder of the “He Man, D-Lo Haters Club,” it’s hard for me to admit, but Russell has actually been .. good .. lately. He struggled at the start of the season figuring out how to hit Gobert on lobs, but since December 1st he has been terrific, nearly 50/40/90 and 20 PPG as a shooter. This has come about with a change in role. DLo didn’t grow up as a PG, and sometimes struggles balancing when to pass and when to shoot. Since December 1, MIN has put the ball in Anthony Edwards hands more, and let DLo act more as a scorer. Russell has always been able to win every fifth game for you when he’s hot, but he can lose them for you when he isn’t. It feels like he’s been hot for two months, and the Wolves have won 10 of their last 14. Moreover, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, I saw DLo fight through a screen, and take a charge. This probably is just about playing harder in a contract year (like many players), but he has also had a great attitude all year long, which again surprised me. DLo is obviously not worth his contract and never was, but he is a pretty good basketball player.

From the Wolves side of things, it’s unclear what type of trade would entice them. One course is to just hang onto him to compete this year in a tight playoff race, and hope he takes a one-year, overpriced offer this summer. He has been necessary since their sixth man Jaylen Nowell is suddenly struggling to make baskets. I won’t discuss a Chris Paul swap, because you guys know his health and future better than I do, but I will say Paul’s leadership would be very useful to MIN, who loses a lot of games to bad teams. I read a couple of your trade packages that seemed reasonable too (except that Towns one! Yuck!) but just matching DLo’s salary is tough to get to. If you can, MIN has three other cheap contracts that could be added, Naz Reid (he’d require more value), Nowell and Bryn Forbes, which could balance rosters and finances. I imagine Wolves GM Tim Connelly would be interested in picks because he’s done so well isn’t he draft, but making the playoffs this year is important too, as is the continued development of Anthony Edwards.

Anyway, I just wanted to pass along some inside information you might find useful. Most people don’t watch the Wolves, and I don’t blame them! Maybe Booker will be united with one of his BFF’s by Valentine’s Day. Good luck this season!

[TOO]

My two cents: resign Cam Johnson and continue with the core of Book, Da, Mikal, Cam, upgrade the PF this trade deadline and try to find good CP3 replacement in a year time.

This team is going nowhere with a C making max money. Especially when that C isn't even close to being your best player.

[NapoleonII]

My two cents: resign Cam Johnson and continue with the core of Book, Da, Mikal, Cam, upgrade the PF this trade deadline and try to find good CP3 replacement in a year time.

Please stop, this is entirely too reasonable and optimistic for this forum.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Hey guys, MIN fan here, just checking in on my longtime secret crush, the Phoenix Suns. I thought I could give you a little inside info you might appreciate on D’Angelo Russell.

DLo has been very available for trade. He was eligible for extension last season and didn’t get one, and a couple weeks ago, DLo’s people approached management and apparently didn’t get a number they liked. DLo unfollowed the Timberwolves on Instagram and liked Fred VanVleet’s tweet, “bet on yourself.” MIN’s payroll next year is over the cap but well under the lux, so if DLo walks, they lose the salary slot, so they are probably motivated to sell, and can take on one more year of even bad money. Longer than that is problematic, as Towns and Ant’s maxes kick in, and the Wolves will go well into the lux.

And as President and co-founder of the “He Man, D-Lo Haters Club,” it’s hard for me to admit, but Russell has actually been .. good .. lately. He struggled at the start of the season figuring out how to hit Gobert on lobs, but since December 1st he has been terrific, nearly 50/40/90 and 20 PPG as a shooter. This has come about with a change in role. DLo didn’t grow up as a PG, and sometimes struggles balancing when to pass and when to shoot. Since December 1, MIN has put the ball in Anthony Edwards hands more, and let DLo act more as a scorer. Russell has always been able to win every fifth game for you when he’s hot, but he can lose them for you when he isn’t. It feels like he’s been hot for two months, and the Wolves have won 10 of their last 14. Moreover, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, I saw DLo fight through a screen, and take a charge. This probably is just about playing harder in a contract year (like many players), but he has also had a great attitude all year long, which again surprised me. DLo is obviously not worth his contract and never was, but he is a pretty good basketball player.

From the Wolves side of things, it’s unclear what type of trade would entice them. One course is to just hang onto him to compete this year in a tight playoff race, and hope he takes a one-year, overpriced offer this summer. He has been necessary since their sixth man Jaylen Nowell is suddenly struggling to make baskets. I won’t discuss a Chris Paul swap, because you guys know his health and future better than I do, but I will say Paul’s leadership would be very useful to MIN, who loses a lot of games to bad teams. I read a couple of your trade packages that seemed reasonable too (except that Towns one! Yuck!) but just matching DLo’s salary is tough to get to. If you can, MIN has three other cheap contracts that could be added, Naz Reid (he’d require more value), Nowell and Bryn Forbes, which could balance rosters and finances. I imagine Wolves GM Tim Connelly would be interested in picks because he’s done so well isn’t he draft, but making the playoffs this year is important too, as is the continued development of Anthony Edwards.

Anyway, I just wanted to pass along some inside information you might find useful. Most people don’t watch the Wolves, and I don’t blame them! Maybe Booker will be united with one of his BFF’s by Valentine’s Day. Good luck this season!

Everything you said X1000000!!!
Thank you for your post because it furthers the premise that I've been saying for a bit now. Although I'd prefer to do a Paul/ Crowder swap for Russell/ Prince/ Minott/ NYK 23' 2nd? Or something along those lines as I've mentioned on the trade board. I fully believe in Russell's potential in a different environment here and maybe either in a 6th man role or intriguingly enough in the backcourt alongside of Booker at the two with Book at the one and letting Russell initially bring the ball up, but then also work in tandem with his good friend Book at orchestrating the offense playing a bit off of each other! I get why some might prefer to try and hold onto Paul in this scenario due to his recent run of surprising health = production. But I'm far more skeptical given his age, decline, noted durability issues and overall record in the postseason and would prefer to begin transitioning to more long term plans as it would allow us greater opportunity to possibly avoid a sharp drop off suddenly and then have to endure a long, frustrating rebuild over a quicker reload. Also preferring to move Paul whilst he still maintains some value, and in not wanting to have to eat 15 million in a buyout option just to move him if he falls off a cliff next year! Lastly, I'd admittedly be very intrigued to see how he might advance your team/ players with his ability to raise BOTH the floor/ceiling of a team too with his leadership. I personally don't see leadership being as much of a prevalent issue for us anymore. So I'd not feel as broken as some might in moving him!

The most recent variation people have promoted on here being a Crowder/Saric/Shamet/ 24 (lotto protected) 1st for Russell.
OR
a Crowder/Saric/Craig/Payne/ future (lotto protected) 1st for Russell.
Although I'm not sure If you guys would find that equitable in contrast to a Paul swap honestly as I know that you guys are trying to compete on a higher level for multiple reasons and a Paul swap would likely accommodate that much better than just expiring pieces and a pick?? But either way, I really hope our front office has the foresight to actually do this move by the deadline!

[BobbieL]

My two cents: resign Cam Johnson and continue with the core of Book, Da, Mikal, Cam, upgrade the PF this trade deadline and try to find good CP3 replacement in a year time.

If thats the end result - I am good with that. I think those four are a solid core - and like you stated - PG and still PF. Gambo mentioned McDaniels from Charlotte yesterday - wonder if he is alluding to a possibility

Chris Paul is very tricky these next two weeks

1) keep him, and see how the season ends, and probably stretch him or trade him before his option

2) trade him now as you can take on a contract but the team trading for him only has the 15.8m option

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Former Thunder VP and chief of staff Paul Rivers and former NBA point guard Mateen Cleaves have been mentioned by multiple NBA executives as candidates to join the Suns‘ organization, Scotto reports. Cleaves played with incoming Suns owner Mat Ishbia at Michigan State.

This is the latest suns rumor from Scotto. I really hope that IF the suns are bring in some new front office personnel, They'll aim higher than this otherwise I imagine many (myself included) will be significantly disappointed!