2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Saberestar]

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Cam Johnson has a bit of an injury history too... But will cost more than Cam Johnson

If this is the case - the Raptors would need to take Shamet. Heck - knowing how smart Ujiri is, they might want Shamet over Saric as he is an expiring next year for 10.5m - thats pretty easy to manage. Saric is a true expiring but they are so over the cap.

If you do this - can you somehow get a scorer still - would the Bucks 2 second rounders be enough to get Eric Gordon

Hearing Phoenix wants to get off of Cam Johnson contract before they have to pay him after this season. Has a long history of significant injuries - has missed a ton of games. Good all-around player. Great at shooting but smaller body with slight lack of strength.

YET WE ARE THE ONES SUPPOSED TO GIVE UP FIRST ROUND PICKS? This trade would be idiotic.

Have you seen Anunoby play? The guy is probably the best defender in the league, better than Smart, Anteto or Gobert IMO. Non stop motor with crazy strength and smarts.

And offensively he is an all-around player that can score 15 points just with his 3p shooting, cuts and some post moves.

There were rumors that he wanted out and probably are true. He probably has said to Masai that he will not sign any extension so they now want to get value for him.

Obviously his value could be multiple picks or another high valued player. His only flaw is that he is injury prone but he is now healthy (wrist not big deal).

[TeamTragic]

Hearing Toronto wants to get off of OG Anunoby contract before they have to pay him after next season. Has a long history of significant injuries - has missed a ton of games. Good all-around player. Not great at any one thing but big body with width/strength/wing span.

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This makes no damn sense. CamJo is a better player and both are injury prone.

We don't need any more players sitting on the bench in street clothes.

[Djedefre]

Anunoby is not exactly a shot creator. We won't be addressing our biggest flaw - lack of legit #2 on offense. I'm a superfan of Ogugua, from his first game at Indiana, wanted us to draft him that year but the move sending Cam and picks for him is indeed just a lateral one. Does not move the needle.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[matt131]

The other idiotic thing about this trade: so we pissed off a major contributor to our team to start a player we trade anyway? So we lose Crowder and Cam because we think Cam is good enough to start but not goot enough to win with? Then just keep starting Jae, trade Cam as a bench player, move Jae to the bench during the season (less chance he pulls a bitch fit mid season) and you end up with a deeper team.

This trade makes no sense at all. Not that they need my money, but my season ticket renewal deadline is early March...you keep fans happy by not being a total dumbass. This just seems like the weirdest move a new owner could make. PROVE to me you don't care about spending money by trading for a good player by taking an unwanted salary and ALSO paying Cam this offseason.

[TeamTragic]

The other idiotic thing about this trade: so we pissed off a major contributor to our team to start a player we trade anyway? So we lose Crowder and Cam because we think Cam is good enough to start but not goot enough to win with? Then just keep starting Jae, trade Cam as a bench player, sit Jae during the season (less chance he pulls a bitch fit mid season) and you end up with a deeper team.

This trade makes no sense at all. Not that they need my money, but my season ticket renewal deadline is early March...you keep fans happy by not being a total dumbsass. This just seems like the weirdest move a new owner could make. PROVE to me you don't care about spending money by tradinfor a good player by taking an unwanted salary and ALSO paying Cam this offseason.

There is spending money and then there is spending money to make your team better.

[BobbieL]

The other idiotic thing about this trade: so we pissed off a major contributor to our team to start a player we trade anyway? So we lose Crowder and Cam because we think Cam is good enough to start but not goot enough to win with? Then just keep starting Jae, trade Cam as a bench player, sit Jae during the season (less chance he pulls a bitch fit mid season) and you end up with a deeper team.

This trade makes no sense at all. Not that they need my money, but my season ticket renewal deadline is early March...you keep fans happy by not being a total dumbsass. This just seems like the weirdest move a new owner could make. PROVE to me you don't care about spending money by tradinfor a good player by taking an unwanted salary and ALSO paying Cam this offseason.

There is spending money and then there is spending money to make your team better.

Making a move just to make a move isn't smart

I will have to see the other move and how the team looks before making a decision

Some on this board love OG; others not so sure about the shooting they would be losing

I like Cam - big fan. Don't want to overpay for OG though. Cam and two FRPs - seems steep to me

[Slim Charless]

Cam Johnson has a bit of an injury history too... But will cost more than Cam Johnson

If this is the case - the Raptors would need to take Shamet. Heck - knowing how smart Ujiri is, they might want Shamet over Saric as he is an expiring next year for 10.5m - thats pretty easy to manage. Saric is a true expiring but they are so over the cap.

If you do this - can you somehow get a scorer still - would the Bucks 2 second rounders be enough to get Eric Gordon

Hearing Phoenix wants to get off of Cam Johnson contract before they have to pay him after this season. Has a long history of significant injuries - has missed a ton of games. Good all-around player. Great at shooting but smaller body with slight lack of strength.

YET WE ARE THE ONES SUPPOSED TO GIVE UP FIRST ROUND PICKS? This trade would be idiotic.

Have you seen Anunoby play? The guy is probably the best defender in the league, better than Smart, Anteto or Gobert IMO. Non stop motor with crazy strength and smarts.

And offensively he is an all-around player that can score 15 points just with his 3p shooting, cuts and some post moves.

There were rumors that he wanted out and probably are true. He probably has said to Masai that he will not sign any extension so they now want to get value for him.

Obviously his value could be multiple picks or another high valued player. His only flaw is that he is injury prone but he is now healthy (wrist not big deal).

I'll answer your question:

No. Half these dudes complaining about OG haven't seen him play. They have no idea.

I don't think he's better than Marcus Smart or Bam but he IS better than Mikal. That makes us way better as it moves everyone down a peg.

For example last year vs Dallas, this would've given Mikal the chance to defend Brunson....which would've likely won us the series. In the final, Mikal would've covered Jrue...which would've won us a chip. No joke. We have OG on the team back then, we have a title.

This a massive improvement for the team and can make life easier for Booker and cp3 as well.

[BobbieL]

Hearing Phoenix wants to get off of Cam Johnson contract before they have to pay him after this season. Has a long history of significant injuries - has missed a ton of games. Good all-around player. Great at shooting but smaller body with slight lack of strength.

YET WE ARE THE ONES SUPPOSED TO GIVE UP FIRST ROUND PICKS? This trade would be idiotic.

Have you seen Anunoby play? The guy is probably the best defender in the league, better than Smart, Anteto or Gobert IMO. Non stop motor with crazy strength and smarts.

And offensively he is an all-around player that can score 15 points just with his 3p shooting, cuts and some post moves.

There were rumors that he wanted out and probably are true. He probably has said to Masai that he will not sign any extension so they now want to get value for him.

Obviously his value could be multiple picks or another high valued player. His only flaw is that he is injury prone but he is now healthy (wrist not big deal).

I'll answer your question:

No. Half these dudes complaining about OG haven't seen him play. They have no idea.

I don't think he's better than Marcus Smart or Bam but he IS better than Mikal. That makes us way better as it moves everyone down a peg.

For example last year vs Dallas, this would've given Mikal the chance to defend Brunson....which would've likely won us the series. In the final, Mikal would've covered Jrue...which would've won us a chip. No joke. We have OG on the team back then, we have a title.

This a massive improvement for the team and can make life easier for Booker and cp3 as well.

Asking a serious question - does OG make up with his defense and scoring enough to offset what Cam J does with his scoring and less defense?

Second - my concern is the Suns just cannot rely on ShamPayne - injuries and inconsistent - thats the other part of this - they will need to make another move. If thats Trent Jr - fine

[lilfishi22]

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I just don't think I could/would do it IF the price is Johnson and multiple picks! I wouldn't even have Johnson on the table with how good he's been since returning from injury!

Gambo shoots down every good trade rumor but thinks this is OG for 2-3 picks PLUS CamJo is reasonable? GTFO

I would do that trade all day. CamJo is gonna need a new deal and is just as incredibly injury prone as any player in the league. He's not 1/3 the defender OG.

You guys want your Kawhi 2.0? Well there it is. Someone who can actually be Kawhi.

OG is as close defensively as any player in the league. CamJo and 2-3 (protected) picks is fine. I'd make them take Dario so that we can recoup a pick from trading Jae to another team.

Yes. Do this all day. Major upgrade.

Their value is the same on the injured list. Except you get to keep 2-3 picks if you don't do this trade. As mentioned, I like OG and think he has a good combination of skills I like in a wing but he's not exactly sturdy and Kawhi 2.0? Kawhi isn't just defense, he's an elite scorer because he does so with elite efficiency. OG hasn't been above average in efficiency since he took on a bigger role offensively. Not saying he couldn't get better but he just doesn't jump out the page when I actually deep dive into OG's value, especially not at the value of CamJo + 2-3 picks.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Qwigglez]

Was really hoping a Anunoby to Phoenix would gain more traction today. I think he is exactly what the Suns would need defensively at the 4 position. I am a bit concerned that he wants to have a larger role and he might not find that in Phoenix, but I think winning cures that. I read on the Raptors board that he has really only missed on average about 13 games per season due to injury, some of the other reasons he missed games were due to Covid, getting his eye poked, and some other one-off things.

Pros and cons of Anunoby:
Pros:
Anunoby can shoot the 3 quite well off catch and shoots, his corner 3 the past two seasons is around 47% which bodes well. He is the only player in the league averaging more than 2 steals a game this season. He has 72 dunks this season, more than Ayton and I know how everyone loves when a player dunks the ball. He is averaging a career best 3 FTA's per game, right up there with Bridges, and he is shooting 82% from the line. His % of FG's assisted for the season is at 55% which is a bit low compared to players like Bridges and Cam Johnson. This could be viewed as a good thing, as it shows he can potentially create his own shot, however I imagine his best shots is when he gets to the rim.

Cons:
His FG% from the midrange is very underwhelming so I don't think that is something to rely on from OG. For comparison purposes he shoots a similar FG% from 10-16 feet as Craig for the season at 29% so, at the very least he and Craig are alike in that regard, but Anunoby has vastly superior stats from almost everywhere else. So obviously, he would be an immediate upgrade from Craig starting who has started in 40 of 49 games that he has played for the Suns. Though, Craig is the superior rebounder and for the season has a better 3P%. His position estimate is mostly at SF and spending time at SG too the last two seasons, he has hardly played the PF spot according to basketball-reference, though this could just be because of Siakam and Barnes.

I think overall his defense is what would give the Suns a boost in the playoffs against players like Luka, and just giving Bridges a rest too will help the both of them interchange defensive assignments. I think this will be a key factor.

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[Saberestar]

After reading the interview on BSOTS with james jones I'm almost sure we aren't trading cam. He said he wants more shooters not less.

Yeah, I wouldn't trade Cam Johnson neither.

We can get a good player trading Crowder + one FRP (or multiple FRPs if needed).

[Slim Charless]

Have you seen Anunoby play? The guy is probably the best defender in the league, better than Smart, Anteto or Gobert IMO. Non stop motor with crazy strength and smarts.

And offensively he is an all-around player that can score 15 points just with his 3p shooting, cuts and some post moves.

There were rumors that he wanted out and probably are true. He probably has said to Masai that he will not sign any extension so they now want to get value for him.

Obviously his value could be multiple picks or another high valued player. His only flaw is that he is injury prone but he is now healthy (wrist not big deal).

I'll answer your question:

No. Half these dudes complaining about OG haven't seen him play. They have no idea.

I don't think he's better than Marcus Smart or Bam but he IS better than Mikal. That makes us way better as it moves everyone down a peg.

For example last year vs Dallas, this would've given Mikal the chance to defend Brunson....which would've likely won us the series. In the final, Mikal would've covered Jrue...which would've won us a chip. No joke. We have OG on the team back then, we have a title.

This a massive improvement for the team and can make life easier for Booker and cp3 as well.

Asking a serious question - does OG make up with his defense and scoring enough to offset what Cam J does with his scoring and less defense?

Second - my concern is the Suns just cannot rely on ShamPayne - injuries and inconsistent - thats the other part of this - they will need to make another move. If thats Trent Jr - fine

He's averaging more now and throughout his career than Cam...and that's without someone like Chris Paul serving up wide open looks. Also playing in that clusterf**** of a Raptor offense.

Also averages more rebounds, assists and WAY more steals/blocks.

With Booker here drawing dbl teams and Mikal here to share the defensive duties his ceiling is way higher. Way higher imo.

[bwoolf2]

Hearing Phoenix wants to get off of Cam Johnson contract before they have to pay him after this season. Has a long history of significant injuries - has missed a ton of games. Good all-around player. Great at shooting but smaller body with slight lack of strength.

YET WE ARE THE ONES SUPPOSED TO GIVE UP FIRST ROUND PICKS? This trade would be idiotic.

Have you seen Anunoby play? The guy is probably the best defender in the league, better than Smart, Anteto or Gobert IMO. Non stop motor with crazy strength and smarts.

And offensively he is an all-around player that can score 15 points just with his 3p shooting, cuts and some post moves.

There were rumors that he wanted out and probably are true. He probably has said to Masai that he will not sign any extension so they now want to get value for him.

Obviously his value could be multiple picks or another high valued player. His only flaw is that he is injury prone but he is now healthy (wrist not big deal).

I'll answer your question:

No. Half these dudes complaining about OG haven't seen him play. They have no idea.

I don't think he's better than Marcus Smart or Bam but he IS better than Mikal. That makes us way better as it moves everyone down a peg.

For example last year vs Dallas, this would've given Mikal the chance to defend Brunson....which would've likely won us the series. In the final, Mikal would've covered Jrue...which would've won us a chip. No joke. We have OG on the team back then, we have a title.

This a massive improvement for the team and can make life easier for Booker and cp3 as well.

Seen him play plenty, you do realize he is a SF/SG and once again we would be putting a very undersized poor rebounding PF in a position he has played almost no minutes at this year right?

Craig has better rebounding numbers if that tells you anything.

And if you think he is hurt all the time playing SF a s SG wait until he has to play PF every night.

Not saying OG isn't good but what they want is insane and unless we trade mikal he is playing out of position, tired of seeing the Suns Cards and every other AZ tea play guys put of position, it never works out not once...

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So then expirings and a protected 1st obviously!!

waited too long and he broke out the james jones special

I think Ghost of Klein is right. An expiring and a protected 1st would blow me away!

This has to either be posturing, or a comment sent out at halftime two days ago “Good DLo is 8-for-8 with 7 three’s and we’d never trade him!” and not after the game “Bad DLo went 0-for-6 in the second half and nearly lost the game! He’s got to go!”). And his play in an overtime loss yesterday was horrible.

I hate DLo. He is an immensely talented scorer and can single-handedly help a team beat great teams, and he can single-handedly cause a team to lose to bad ones too. If a team had the depth to only play Good DLo, and bench him when he’s bad, they’d do great. I admit, he’s 40/50/90 since December 1, since he started playing more 2-guard next to Ant. Maybe that would work next to Booker, and he could spell Chris Paul. But his inconsistency drives me crazy.

Lastly, MIN’s cap situation strongly motivates them to find a trade. The team is well over the cap, so if he walks this summer, the team loses the salary slot for a trade and doesn’t have cap space to replace him.

Bottom line: Don’t trust that tweet. This week, maybe every player won’t be traded unless an offer “blows the team away.” Next week will be a different story.

[Slim Charless]

After reading the interview on BSOTS with james jones I'm almost sure we aren't trading cam. He said he wants more shooters not less.

Yeah, I wouldn't trade Cam Johnson neither.

We can get a good player trading Crowder + one FRP (or multiple FRPs if needed).

Yeah. A good player. Imagine if we could get someone who is in the thick of DPOTY hunt and is only 25 with crazy length...who shot .400 from three point range back to back years, and is still a career .360 shooter. Who's locked on a deal for another 3 years. Or a guy that can play and defend all 5 positions on the court...and has done so multiple times this year.

Man that kinda player would be cool to get, wouldn't it?

If only.....if only one was available.

Oh well, let's go back to talking about Poetl and Kuzma.

[BobbieL]

After reading the interview on BSOTS with james jones I'm almost sure we aren't trading cam. He said he wants more shooters not less.

Yeah, I wouldn't trade Cam Johnson neither.

We can get a good player trading Crowder + one FRP (or multiple FRPs if needed).

Keep Cam J - and maybe use on FRP to upgrade the bench

Trade Cam J and two FRPs and have to hope ShamPayne (unless a Crowder deals pulls a rabbit out of a hate)

I probably stck with the first option. Try to use on FRP to upgrade the bench. That said - having two premier defensive players on this team would be excellent come playoff time.

[lilfishi22]

There's still a limit to how many creators you need. And if you're really vying for a championship, you need to not overcompensate any one need.

The emergence of Mikal as a real shot maker has changed things, I think. Monty is pumped up about Mikal. Booker already said he's on the 'middy-committee'. We've seen it work now in two very close games.

If we're healthy, we have enough shot creators! I think by the time the playoffs come, CP3 is going to take a step back in USG%. We saw how detrimental it was to depend on him in the Mavs series, and also the Pelicans series.

The pecking order of shots / PnR and "ball in the hands" is going to be like this:

1A Book

1B - CP3

1C- Mikal

2 - Payne

These guys will look for their shot, feed our shooters, look for cutters, or find Ayton / Jock / Biz. Everything additional will be when this breaks down. The random Craig mid-range, the Biz post-up or Damion Lee floater, the Saric pass if he's playable.

These are the guys running Monty's offense, and if we get another creator in here, it's going to mess things up. You trade CamJo and our shooting becomes medicore, you trade Ayton and we lack size and interior scoring, etc, etc.

I still think we need a PF that can rebound OR an off-guard like D'angelo Russell or Eric Gordon in case CP3 goes down.


The West is wide open - don't **** things up by trading a ton of assets and any of our core guys #1-7 . And also...we'll have more flexibility in the summer to do w/e the hell the new owner wants. Now isn't the time for a big, medium or innovative trade.

I'm 100% convinced we're not trading any of our minute leaders and MIGHT get a slight upgrade or even a pick for Crowder. That's it. Stop dreaming and playing NBA2k and root for this team to get healthy, get the 4th seed and see what happens.

CP3 should have no weight in any trades we make, especially ones which benefit our future. CP3 won't be 1B, 2, or 3 in the next year or so when he's done playing and while I love Book, I don't think he's a 1A kinda creator in the way a KD, Lebron or Jokic is. I think you're overstating how good a creator the guys you've listed actually are. Book is more a 1B type of creator and Mikal is more like a 2 which means you really need that 3rd guy who's at least a 2 if you don't have a true 1A.

[lilfishi22]

Cam Johnson has a bit of an injury history too... But will cost more than Cam Johnson

If this is the case - the Raptors would need to take Shamet. Heck - knowing how smart Ujiri is, they might want Shamet over Saric as he is an expiring next year for 10.5m - thats pretty easy to manage. Saric is a true expiring but they are so over the cap.

If you do this - can you somehow get a scorer still - would the Bucks 2 second rounders be enough to get Eric Gordon

Hearing Phoenix wants to get off of Cam Johnson contract before they have to pay him after this season. Has a long history of significant injuries - has missed a ton of games. Good all-around player. Great at shooting but smaller body with slight lack of strength.

YET WE ARE THE ONES SUPPOSED TO GIVE UP FIRST ROUND PICKS? This trade would be idiotic.

Have you seen Anunoby play? The guy is probably the best defender in the league, better than Smart, Anteto or Gobert IMO. Non stop motor with crazy strength and smarts.

And offensively he is an all-around player that can score 15 points just with his 3p shooting, cuts and some post moves.

There were rumors that he wanted out and probably are true. He probably has said to Masai that he will not sign any extension so they now want to get value for him.

Obviously his value could be multiple picks or another high valued player. His only flaw is that he is injury prone but he is now healthy (wrist not big deal).

I think he's a really good defender and he might get some recognition this season (should he stay healthy) but he has never made an all-defensive team nor gotten a single vote for DPOY. The most he got were a couple of all-defensive 2nd team votes.