[Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG

[Lord_Zedd]

I know memphis wouldn't do this, but I would love this trade

You sure they wouldn't do this?

I don't like this for the Raptors at all. None of the players coming our way are all that promising. The three picks are nice, but they probably all end up in the 20s. I much prefer Cam + 2 firsts.

The Golden State pick could be a gold mine if Draymond bails on them that year. Easily the most upside of all the Memphis/Phoenix picks.

I'm not enamored with any of the players coming back but at least Zhaire isn't up for a big payday soon.

Though, Memphis easily says yes and twice on sunday without the Brooks/Young part

[Airmiess]

Its bad management that OG Anunoby is the guy you end up taking calls for considering everything that’s going on.

[YogurtProducer]

Its bad management that OG Anunoby is the guy you end up taking calls for considering everything that’s going on.

What makes you think they are hanging up when other players get asked about?

If management thinks they can get more value for OG in a trade than what he would bring himself, then it is good management to field calls and see what is out there.

[Airmiess]

Its bad management that OG Anunoby is the guy you end up taking calls for considering everything that’s going on.

What makes you think they are hanging up when other players get asked about?

If management thinks they can get more value for OG in a trade than what he would bring himself, then it is good management to field calls and see what is out there.

You should always keep your options open, just the optics of announcing his name alone has certain implications.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

we can always flip cam Johnson to a contender, he is an efficient 16ppg above average role player. That will net u another first and a prospect

[ATLTimekeeper]

Its bad management that OG Anunoby is the guy you end up taking calls for considering everything that’s going on.

What makes you think they are hanging up when other players get asked about?

If management thinks they can get more value for OG in a trade than what he would bring himself, then it is good management to field calls and see what is out there.

You should always keep your options open, just the optics of announcing his name alone has certain implications.

The Raptors have mentioned they're taking calls on everyone but Scottie and Pascal, so this is not the case. If OG's agency wants to leak out that the Raptors are getting more serious about OG at the moment, then that's not bad management, that's an outside influence trying to help their client get moved.

[RonaldArtest]

I’m assuming along with many others that the only reason this is a conversation is that behind the scenes either from OG directly or his people, they get the strong sense that he’s looking to play elsewhere. OG is definitely not the problem and he’s young enough to easily build around with Barnes. Hoping it’s a great haul for the guy but I’ll really be sad seeing him go. Lockdown versatile defenders like him with tree trunk legs who can defend 1-5 are super rare, and he would fit in nicely on literally any team in the league.

[islandboy53]

Lol @ 85 million. What he finally gets is going to blow that out of the water based on last summers deals.

well ****, if that's the case then I guess get comfortable paying OG 30-35 million a year for his upcoming extension, eh?

Of course. If you think he's being paid 20-25 in an environment where tyler Herro and Clarkson as 6th men get 30 per, no. I'm really not sure why people have such a problem comprehending cap inflation. Maybe if it was always labelled as a percentage of the cap it would be easier.

For example, OG at 30 million is 22% of the cap next year (although he has one more year and the cap would be more and % less). To compare, that's 23 million in 2020 cap dollars which is only slightly more that what FVV signed for as a much less established player.

So if you think its some kind of gotcha moment that he gets 30-35, lol, no it really isn't.

And Cam Johnson doesn't get a contract worth less than 15% of the cap.

Exactly. Replacing OG with Cam does not help our very real tax problem for next year. This team needs to address two areas - staying under the tax next year, and improving the roster, both next year and longer term. None of the proposals I've seen involving OG to Phoenix really achieve both objectives. I am confident OG (or Fred or Gary for that matter) will only be traded with that in mind.

[islandboy53]

Its bad management that OG Anunoby is the guy you end up taking calls for considering everything that’s going on.

What makes you think they are hanging up when other players get asked about?

If management thinks they can get more value for OG in a trade than what he would bring himself, then it is good management to field calls and see what is out there.

You should always keep your options open, just the optics of announcing his name alone has certain implications.

I'm fairly confident that no announcement has been made.

[TorontoBarneys]

And Cam Johnson doesn't get a contract worth less than 15% of the cap.

Okay? I'm cool paying Cam 20m/year, especially as it goes into the new TV deal. I'd rather pay Cam 20m than OG 35m!

[bape_lovers]

why?

And Cam Johnson doesn't get a contract worth less than 15% of the cap.

Okay? I'm cool paying Cam 20m/year, especially as it goes into the new TV deal. I'd rather pay Cam 20m than OG 35m!

[TorontoBarneys]

why?

And Cam Johnson doesn't get a contract worth less than 15% of the cap.

Okay? I'm cool paying Cam 20m/year, especially as it goes into the new TV deal. I'd rather pay Cam 20m than OG 35m!

Why? Because a player like OG is needed on a contender much more than ours, and fits a team better that already has great 3pt-shooting. Cam will fit us like a glove. Not to mention an additional $15m in cap space over the years that can provide additional depth. Now take into account 2-3 1sts and it's a genuinely good swap.

[ConSarnit]

"We're looking to trade OG" doesn't tank his value.

It does because it shows your hand, works the same way in any sale really.

It's the difference between someone overpaying because the perception is they need to pry the player away from you versus the player already being available, you just need to find a price. If I know you're looking to sell I'll start low and see where we get. If the perception is that you're not interested in selling X, then I'll more motivated to offer something higher to get the deal done.

Bones Hyland is a great example. Denver said they want to trade him. Most offer they get are going to be way below what they actually want since teams know they're motivated to move him.

How do we know this is the Raptors leaking this? Why would they? They don’t need Shams to leak this if they are taking calls on OG, they can just tell other GMs.

This could have been leaked by anyone who has called the Raptors about OG and has not been immediately rebuffed. They can then go to Shams and say “it seems like the Raptors are open to taking calls on OG”.

I also don’t see how this lowers OG’s trade value. High demand/rare players like OG hold their value. Hyland is a bench scorer who is a huge negative on defense. OG is a legit playoff starter who could push a team over the top. They aren’t comparable.

[Fairview4Life]

This could have been leaked by anyone who has called the Raptors about OG and has not been immediately rebuffed. They can then go to Shams and say “it seems like the Raptors are open to taking calls on OG”.

That doesn't help the team not being rebuffed for OG though. it doesn't help them if other teams start thinking they can trade for OG. Although to be fair they probably don't need Shams to tell them OG is available. Shams sources for this kind of thing are usually agents who want something from Shams down the road.

[Johnny Bball]

well ****, if that's the case then I guess get comfortable paying OG 30-35 million a year for his upcoming extension, eh?

Of course. If you think he's being paid 20-25 in an environment where tyler Herro and Clarkson as 6th men get 30 per, no. I'm really not sure why people have such a problem comprehending cap inflation. Maybe if it was always labelled as a percentage of the cap it would be easier.

For example, OG at 30 million is 22% of the cap next year (although he has one more year and the cap would be more and % less). To compare, that's 23 million in 2020 cap dollars which is only slightly more that what FVV signed for as a much less established player.

So if you think its some kind of gotcha moment that he gets 30-35, lol, no it really isn't.

And Cam Johnson doesn't get a contract worth less than 15% of the cap.

Exactly. Replacing OG with Cam does not help our very real tax problem for next year. This team needs to address two areas - staying under the tax next year, and improving the roster, both next year and longer term. None of the proposals I've seen involving OG to Phoenix really achieve both objectives. I am confident OG (or Fred or Gary for that matter) will only be traded with that in mind.

Yep. You trade FVV. He's not going to be easy to re-sign and this is his biggest payday. And you have two teams you can hold hostage that desperately need a PG like FVV. The best trade I can find out the is Mann, minimal salary baaggage and picks that checks all boxes for both teams.

You don't build a defense first team and trade your best defensvie player in OG. Its not smart and its inconsistent with reality. Especially when you can get a better deal in the summer when teams are less handicapped by salaries if you are forced to.

[will]

Going to be sad to see you go, ADOBE Monet.

gonna be sitting here on feb 10th with no og and fred looking to be extended for $120+

I certainly won't be around to see it after being banned

[YogurtProducer]

Its bad management that OG Anunoby is the guy you end up taking calls for considering everything that’s going on.

What makes you think they are hanging up when other players get asked about?

If management thinks they can get more value for OG in a trade than what he would bring himself, then it is good management to field calls and see what is out there.

You should always keep your options open, just the optics of announcing his name alone has certain implications.

Can you link me to the press conference / tweet in which Masai/Bobby announced this?

[Johnny Bball]

And Cam Johnson doesn't get a contract worth less than 15% of the cap.

Okay? I'm cool paying Cam 20m/year, especially as it goes into the new TV deal. I'd rather pay Cam 20m than OG 35m!

Try and be a little realistic.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Going to be sad to see you go, ADOBE Monet.

gonna be sitting here on feb 10th with no og and fred looking to be extended for $120+

I certainly won't be around to see it after being banned

You keep finding your way back, so you must be tougher than you give yourself credit for.

[ConSarnit]

why?

Okay? I'm cool paying Cam 20m/year, especially as it goes into the new TV deal. I'd rather pay Cam 20m than OG 35m!

Why? Because a player like OG is needed on a contender much more than ours, and fits a team better that already has great 3pt-shooting. Cam will fit us like a glove. Not to mention an additional $15m in cap space over the years that can provide additional depth. Now take into account 2-3 1sts and it's a genuinely good swap.

Why is Johnson willing to settle for $20m?

-cap going up in 2 years
-looks around and sees guys like Hield, Fournier and Duncan Robinson (and others) making $19m and he’s only going to ask for $20m?

How is it not more likely he’s looking for $25m?

We trade OG to PHX and we’re also looking at getting picks in the 20’s as they now have: Booker, Bridges, OG and Ayton (all 26 or younger) so they’ll probably be pretty good going forward. Don’t we want at least 1 asset with high upside coming back?