Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[Rapsfan07]

Siakam for Sharpe? Good god no, that would be a mistake and a terrible use of Siakam as a trade asset. It's very possible Sharpe becomes the next Gerald Green...

I'm not sold on Sharpe becoming the next big thing either bro. My point was there is no Haliburton out there right now that a team would be willing to trade for a guy like Siakam. IMO, that is what made the Sabonis trade so rare. I don't see another talent of that caliber that another team would be willing to cough up for Siakam.

Sharpe is a guy who I think has the chance to approach that tier of talent. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But if Siakam has to be dealt now (which I think most reasonable people would agree), then what else, aside from picks that could end up even worse, would you be willing to let Siakam go for?

I actually don't think most people would agree. From what I have seen Siakam is the least talked about guy in trades other than Scottie.

Then I would argue they are not reasonable...for reasons that I'm sure I don't need to explain to you because you already know them.

[Rapsfan07]

Siakam for Sharpe? Good god no, that would be a mistake and a terrible use of Siakam as a trade asset. It's very possible Sharpe becomes the next Gerald Green...

I'm not sold on Sharpe becoming the next big thing either bro. My point was there is no Haliburton out there right now that a team would be willing to trade for a guy like Siakam. IMO, that is what made the Sabonis trade so rare. I don't see another talent of that caliber that another team would be willing to cough up for Siakam.

Sharpe is a guy who I think has the chance to approach that tier of talent. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But if Siakam has to be dealt now (which I think most reasonable people would agree), then what else, aside from picks that could end up even worse, would you be willing to let Siakam go for?

He doesn't. No.

Okay

[Sandman88]

Just got word fellas. Stay tuned. Huge

[alpngso]

I still don’t get this infatuation with Claxton. Excellent rim protector but he’s basically healthy Robert Williams III. Is that worth trading Siakam for? How do you play him in playoffs when he’s shooting 50% on the line when the opponents start fouling him?

Nets biggest worry going into playoffs is playing Simmons and Claxton together when both non shooters are on the court, getting exploited for hack-a-simmons or claxton

[mtcan]

FVV to Phoenix, CP3 to Lakers, Draft assets to Toronto.

I see a good chance this goes down.

Don't forget about Westbrook to Toronto!! New tank commander will take us to the promised land!

[ciueli]

Ya it was probably:

Toronto - "We like Claxton"
Brooklyn - "We like Siakam"
Toronto - "Bye"
Brooklyn - "Bye"

I would absolutely trade Siakam for Claxton in priciple, I mean we're playing Pascal out of position as a centre right now, may as well have a real C who is a star level defender at that position instead, makes $8M a year instead of $35M (soon to be $50M) and is 5 years younger.

Stop it.

Stop what, telling truths this board doesn't want to hear? Our team is the worst team in the NBA is fast break defence, it's in part because we don't play a real centre who can defend the rim. Pascal and Scottie are incompatible, we need to move one of them to improve and it isn't going to be Scottie.

[Tha Cynic]

SA gets a 2023 late pick plus Kobe
Nets pay up Claxton but dont lose Dinwiddie/DFS and gain FVV, Boucher and Poeltl
Raps get their DPOY Claxton for FVV who is likely gone and Boucher. Joe Harris after expiring next season

Thoughts?

I think if you swap Patty Mills+ for Seth Curry, maybe the Nets are more intrigued. They'll have a ton of 3 point shooters to surround Durant, with an elite defender in Simmons, and that team can win a few games without Durant. Boucher could mitigate some of the transition stuff Claxton give the Nets. Good trade for everyone involved.

I do wonder though if they value Claxton significantly.

Poeltl
Durant
Dimwiddie
FVV
Simmons

The bench is very deep too.

[MoneyBall]

Just got word fellas. Stay tuned. Huge

I've been tuned for two weeks straight already. What are you talking about?

[Tha Cynic]

Does Claxton only have 1 more year after this one? And then he's a Ufa? I see in the trade proposal that fred and Nic have 2 years left. I'm assuming Nic's is a team option. That's not that attractive if you have to worry about getting him to come back starting next year.

He's UFA after 23/24. Same as OG. So you'd get him for the rest of this lost season and one more season before having to pay up or risk losing him for nothing.

Fred can opt in and be UFA in 23/24, or opt out and be UFA at the end of this season.

imo there's nothing Brooklyn has to offer that the Raptors can ideally built with.

What he'll command is less than what GTJ, OG or FVV will command. That's an easy decision. The Raptors were rumoured to be after Poeltl and he would command around the same.

[Harold_and_Kumar]

I think its a swap , so they will be getting a pick.

They have their own pick, they just can't trade it is my understanding. I heard Blake Murphy mention it on his show yesterday.

Not sure .. I know they owe a swap for 2023 to HOU .. not sure why they wouldnt be able to trade that swap

Nets trade: C Jarrett Allen & F Taurean Prince & rights to Aleksandar Vezenkov (57th overall pick in 2017) to Cavs | G Caris LeVert, F Rodions Kurucs, three first-round picks (2022, 2024 and 2026) & four first-round pick swaps (2021, 2023, 2025, 2027) to Rockets

Not an expert on this, but I think the Stepien rule is still in play because they don't own their 2024 pick. So if they traded their 2023 swap, that would mean they wouldn't have their own pick in consecutive years. I don't think they can trade their own pick until 2028.

Regardless of all this, I like the potential trade

[ciueli]

I still don’t get this infatuation with Claxton. Excellent rim protector but he’s basically healthy Robert Williams III. Is that worth trading Siakam for? How do you play him in playoffs when he’s shooting 50% on the line when the opponents start fouling him?

Nets biggest worry going into playoffs is playing Simmons and Claxton together when both non shooters are on the court, getting exploited for hack-a-simmons or claxton

How do you play Pacal and Scottie in the playoffs at the same time when neither of them can shoot 3s or do a credible job of defending the rim, and both need the ball in their hands to maximize their production? At least with Claxton we get rim protection at a fraction of the cost of Pascal.

[ATLTimekeeper]

The Nets offered Dinwiddie/DFS + FRP for Fred. I don't think Claxton's name came up in that offer, so I assumed it was for OG. But you have Woj/Zach Lowe saying the Raptors are talking to a lot of teams. We're only hearing about Brooklyn's interest and that's probably because they're leaking everything. I don't consider any of these rumours as serious.

Ya it was probably:

Toronto - "We like Claxton"
Brooklyn - "We like Siakam"
Toronto - "Bye"
Brooklyn - "Bye"

I keep thinking that all these teams have let Woj/Lowe know that they're waiting on Toronto's players, for like a month now, and Brooklyn suddenly is dealt this bad hand. It serves their own interests to make it seem like we're willing to trade our own desirable players for their middling prospects. We were trying to trade a late first for Claxton last year and didn't attempt to sign him with the MLE in the summer, or swing a trade. Now we're willing to give up OG or Siakam for him?

Not that I think Masai is in a good spot, but he hasn't gone all in for a role player before.

[WuTang_CMB]

SA gets a 2023 late pick plus Kobe
Nets pay up Claxton but dont lose Dinwiddie/DFS and gain FVV, Boucher and Poeltl
Raps get their DPOY Claxton for FVV who is likely gone and Boucher. Joe Harris after expiring next season

Thoughts?

I think if you swap Patty Mills+ for Seth Curry, maybe the Nets are more intrigued. They'll have a ton of 3 point shooters to surround Durant, with an elite defender in Simmons, and that team can win a few games without Durant. Boucher could mitigate some of the transition stuff Claxton give the Nets. Good trade for everyone involved.

I do wonder though if they value Claxton significantly.

Poeltl
Durant
Dimwiddie
FVV
Simmons

The bench is very deep too.

I actually think BRK would go to the finals with that deal. That seems to click on paper. I wouldnt even start Simmons.

Poeltl
KD
DFS
Din
FVV

Simmons, Boucher, Royce, Yuta, Paty off the bench.

That's a good deal for them.

[Los_29]

I would absolutely trade Siakam for Claxton in priciple, I mean we're playing Pascal out of position as a centre right now, may as well have a real C who is a star level defender at that position instead, makes $8M a year instead of $35M (soon to be $50M) and is 5 years younger.

Stop it.

Stop what, telling truths this board doesn't want to hear? Our team is the worst team in the NBA is fast break defence, it's in part because we don't play a real centre who can defend the rim. Pascal and Scottie are incompatible, we need to move one of them to improve and it isn't going to be Scottie.

Do you know what fast break defense is?

Secondly, where did you get your stats from that suggest we are last in fast break defense?

Thirdly, you still didn't justify why we should trade an ALL-NBA talent for a rim running big man.

[ItsDanger]

I still don’t get this infatuation with Claxton. Excellent rim protector but he’s basically healthy Robert Williams III. Is that worth trading Siakam for? How do you play him in playoffs when he’s shooting 50% on the line when the opponents start fouling him?

Nets biggest worry going into playoffs is playing Simmons and Claxton together when both non shooters are on the court, getting exploited for hack-a-simmons or claxton

Minor details! Mobility!

[Tha Cynic]

I can't see the Raptors trading Siakam unless they get something very significant like two A prospects back.

If you look at recent years, players' prime years have been extended. Siakam in today's NBA is like someone 28 a few years ago. He's got at least 3 years of elite level left and I think he's the type of player who will age gracefully and grow as his feel for the game gets better and better.

[Rapsfan07]

Just got word fellas. Stay tuned. Huge

Are you connected?

[Sandman88]

Just got word fellas. Stay tuned. Huge

Are you connected?

Well connected

[Oakvillehoops]

Just got word fellas. Stay tuned. Huge

Are you connected?

Also just got word, this is going to be CRAZY

[TGM]

Bingo. This is the kind of return I'd be looking for.

There doesn't seem to be that kind of prospect on the horizon at the moment but I would take a chance on Sharpe.

Siakam for Sharpe? Good god no, that would be a mistake and a terrible use of Siakam as a trade asset. It's very possible Sharpe becomes the next Gerald Green...

I'm not sold on Sharpe becoming the next big thing either bro. My point was there is no Haliburton out there right now that a team would be willing to trade for a guy like Siakam. IMO, that is what made the Sabonis trade so rare. I don't see another talent of that caliber that another team would be willing to cough up for Siakam.

Sharpe is a guy who I think has the chance to approach that tier of talent. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But if Siakam has to be dealt now (which I think most reasonable people would agree), then what else, aside from picks that could end up even worse, would you be willing to let Siakam go for?

Such deals are available and it’s all hindsight. Like you could trade a Pascal for Dejounte Murray or a Pascal for maybe Towns. Maybe not one for one but value wise pretty close. Tbh, if Indiana doesn’t make the finals over the next 3-4 years people will start lableing Hali like how they label Towns being not a winner. Towns for Pascal to me actually makes a ton of sense if it were available.