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Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

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What will happen?

1 of Fred/OG/Trent/Siakam Traded
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2 of Fred/OG/Trent/Siakam Traded
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3 of Fred/OG/Trent/Siakam Traded
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11%
Double Down Trades (Poeltl / Turner / etc)
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5%
Nothing Happens
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23%
 
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1601 » by nikster » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:37 pm

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Wow this sort of detonates a big option for Toronto if Dallas is serious about Ayton.


noone wants Ayton here apparently. our fanbase is fickle. short of a superstar talent, everyone is a scrub.

all draftpicks are all superstars.


Just don't understand all the hate for a young C with IMO potential.

He's highly paid, is mentally soft, and really hasn't shown much growth in his game. I wouldn't be opposed to him, but there are some real concerns there
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1602 » by Tha Cynic » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:39 pm

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Tha Cynic wrote:I hope FVV is traded. That at the least will change how this team plays. We can worry about OG and Siakam in the off-season


only problem is a FVV trade could potentially push Raptors out of the lottery & into no mans land...similar to the Rudy Gay trade.


I don't think it will move anything to be honest. It will hopefully bring back a player who can either defend well or shoot well. I think the offense improves slightly with better shot distribution, but the Raptors will still lack shooting and that won't be fixed till the off-season.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1603 » by ash_k » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:39 pm

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Wow this sort of detonates a big option for Toronto if Dallas is serious about Ayton.


noone wants Ayton here apparently. our fanbase is fickle. short of a superstar talent, everyone is a scrub.

all draftpicks are all superstars.


Just don't understand all the hate for a young C with IMO potential.

It is beyond potential .when we actually saw him in the most pressurized situation the NBA has to offer ..in the NBA Finals..then even last year in the first round against NO without Booker for most of the series.
Those guys have not actually watched him very much. A young 20&10 center with perimeter game!
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1604 » by PhilBlackson » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:40 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:I think William Lou was pissed that Blake Murphy said he would trade FVV for Jalen Suggs lol.

Lou said he would rather have Cam Thomas than Suggs because the Raptors need scoring. He also thinks FVV scoring more is making this team a better offensive team.

I think I am done taking anything William Lou says seriously. Yikes. Thankfully Blake Murphy also said the 10th offensive rating for the Raptors makes no sense.


I might get flamed but I'm actually with him in wanting Cam Thomas over Suggs.

Suggs has shown nothing and I'm sorry but we will actually need some scoring if Fred is gone. You can't just have a bunch of non-shooters waiting for the next guy to take the next brick.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1605 » by M3tro » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:40 pm

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M3tro wrote:Feeling lazy to check myself so I'll just ask here....do the Nets even have any worthwhile picks? I thought they traded away a bunch for Harden

dallas 29 unprotected
bkn can trade own 28 OR 29
76ers 27 top 8 protected (otherwise top 8 protected in 28 then seconds)


Soooo much uncertainty that far down the road.

Though that Dallas pick could end up a Detroit Pistons in 2003 type of moment.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1606 » by Tha Cynic » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:42 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:I think William Lou was pissed that Blake Murphy said he would trade FVV for Jalen Suggs lol.

Lou said he would rather have Cam Thomas than Suggs because the Raptors need scoring. He also thinks FVV scoring more is making this team a better offensive team.

I think I am done taking anything William Lou says seriously. Yikes. Thankfully Blake Murphy also said the 10th offensive rating for the Raptors makes no sense.


I might get flamed but I'm actually with him in wanting Cam Thomas over Suggs.

Suggs has shown nothing and I'm sorry but we will actually need some scoring if Fred is gone. You can't just have a bunch of non-shooters waiting for the next guy to take the next brick.


You also don't need to fix that with bad basketball players who shoot. If Masai wanted players like Cam Thomas he could easily acquire them or pick them up for cheap. Those guys just don't win you games which is why he has a specific archetype he targets.

GTJ is basically what Cam Thomas will top out as and even he's not someone the Raptors were serious about keeping. This team isn't winning games with two guys like GTJ even if someone like Cam Thomas gets that good.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1607 » by Madvillainy2004 » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:42 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:I think William Lou was pissed that Blake Murphy said he would trade FVV for Jalen Suggs lol.

Lou said he would rather have Cam Thomas than Suggs because the Raptors need scoring. He also thinks FVV scoring more is making this team a better offensive team.

I think I am done taking anything William Lou says seriously. Yikes. Thankfully Blake Murphy also said the 10th offensive rating for the Raptors makes no sense.


I might get flamed but I'm actually with him in wanting Cam Thomas over Suggs.

Suggs has shown nothing and I'm sorry but we will actually need some scoring if Fred is gone. You can't just have a bunch of non-shooters waiting for the next guy to take the next brick.


I haven't seen anything worthwhile from Suggs on the offensive end at all. Even in college he wasn't exactly carrying his team's half court offense or was their huge usage playmaker.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1608 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:44 pm

Can you imagine Nurse with Suggs. At least this version right now.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1609 » by Tha Cynic » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:45 pm

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PhilBlackson wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:I think William Lou was pissed that Blake Murphy said he would trade FVV for Jalen Suggs lol.

Lou said he would rather have Cam Thomas than Suggs because the Raptors need scoring. He also thinks FVV scoring more is making this team a better offensive team.

I think I am done taking anything William Lou says seriously. Yikes. Thankfully Blake Murphy also said the 10th offensive rating for the Raptors makes no sense.


I might get flamed but I'm actually with him in wanting Cam Thomas over Suggs.

Suggs has shown nothing and I'm sorry but we will actually need some scoring if Fred is gone. You can't just have a bunch of non-shooters waiting for the next guy to take the next brick.


I haven't seen anything worthwhile from Suggs on the offensive end at all. Even in college he wasn't exactly carrying his team's half court offense or was their huge usage playmaker.


:D

He's going to at the least be an elite defender and the rest can be taught. I'll take a chance on him easily. Guards generally become good shooters a few years in the league even if they did start off as poor shooters.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1610 » by alienchild » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:45 pm

canz55 wrote:Apparently, the Nets are trying to force a Siakam trade.


Apparently the Raptors are trying to force an Adebayo trade.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1611 » by Tha Cynic » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:47 pm

Duffman100 wrote:The panic is real. Our organization tends not to leak anything, so a trade (if coming) would likely come out of nowhere.


I can't remember hearing anything about GTJ before it happened. That's why I almost feel like Masai backs out when teams leak things.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1612 » by anotherhomer » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:51 pm

it feels like a trade is not happening
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1613 » by tdotrep2 » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:52 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Can you imagine Nurse with Suggs. At least this version right now.

suggs is a suped up pat mccaw, he'd play the kid 40 minutes a night
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1614 » by PhilBlackson » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:52 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:I think William Lou was pissed that Blake Murphy said he would trade FVV for Jalen Suggs lol.

Lou said he would rather have Cam Thomas than Suggs because the Raptors need scoring. He also thinks FVV scoring more is making this team a better offensive team.

I think I am done taking anything William Lou says seriously. Yikes. Thankfully Blake Murphy also said the 10th offensive rating for the Raptors makes no sense.


I might get flamed but I'm actually with him in wanting Cam Thomas over Suggs.

Suggs has shown nothing and I'm sorry but we will actually need some scoring if Fred is gone. You can't just have a bunch of non-shooters waiting for the next guy to take the next brick.


You also don't need to fix that with bad basketball players who shoot. If Masai wanted players like Cam Thomas he could easily acquire them or pick them up for cheap. Those guys just don't win you games which is why he has a specific archetype he targets.

GTJ is basically what Cam Thomas will top out as and even he's not someone the Raptors were serious about keeping. This team isn't winning games with two guys like GTJ even if someone like Cam Thomas gets that good.


Idk how you can make these definitive claims that "he could easily acquire or pick them up for cheap", based on what exactly?! That you don't like him? I could just as easily say that about a complete bust like Suggs, if not easier. There's a reason, BKN is yet to include Thomas in any trade packages, meanwhile ORL is willing to give up on a top 5 pick just a year after drafting him, think about that, think how BAD you had to have been to be given up on as a pick that high in just a single year, that should really speak volumes of who is worth what.

You also have no basis to claim GT Jr is what Cam will "top out" as when he's already had higher scoring games than Gary ever has and WELL outperformed Gary in college too. If Suggs had the same performances as Cam, people would be scared we messed up and/or he wouldn't even be available lol. I can understand Cam couldn't beat Kyrie out of the starting lineup of a top 4 team in the East vs Suggs who can't beat the likes of no jumper Fultz & attention seeking Cole Anthony on a bottom feeder that would love nothing more than to push him into the starting lineup when they drafted him with every intention to do so yet he let them down so badly.
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Post#1615 » by tripa » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:53 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Can you imagine Nurse with Suggs. At least this version right now.


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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1616 » by bape_lovers » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:57 pm

agreed, somehow a past number 1 pick would be worse than a unknown player that we would draft next year or whatever draft year pick we get back

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Wow this sort of detonates a big option for Toronto if Dallas is serious about Ayton.


noone wants Ayton here apparently. our fanbase is fickle. short of a superstar talent, everyone is a scrub.

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Post#1617 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:58 pm

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Post#1618 » by Boogie! » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:59 pm

Holy.... can't believe nothing has happened yet. I hope deals are on the table and the raptors are just playing some hot and cold games waiting to see if teams will give up more assets. But if they do nothing it's a disaster. Idk how they watch the games and think to themselves it's better to keep everyone together.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1619 » by sidsid » Tue Feb 7, 2023 10:01 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:I think William Lou was pissed that Blake Murphy said he would trade FVV for Jalen Suggs lol.

Lou said he would rather have Cam Thomas than Suggs because the Raptors need scoring. He also thinks FVV scoring more is making this team a better offensive team.

I think I am done taking anything William Lou says seriously. Yikes. Thankfully Blake Murphy also said the 10th offensive rating for the Raptors makes no sense.


A reminder that William Lou thought Fred had more value than OG earlier in the season. Probably still does.

It puts everything else in perspective.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1620 » by nikster » Tue Feb 7, 2023 10:01 pm

bape_lovers wrote:agreed, somehow a past number 1 pick would be worse than a unknown player that we would draft next year or whatever draft year pick we get back

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Wow this sort of detonates a big option for Toronto if Dallas is serious about Ayton.


noone wants Ayton here apparently. our fanbase is fickle. short of a superstar talent, everyone is a scrub.

all draftpicks are all superstars.

The Suns are trying to win now, he theoretically fits their roster perfectly, and they have no other centers. Why have they been trying to get rid of him ever since extension talks started like 2 years ago?

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