Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[jpatrick]

To contextualise this further Conley is averaging less MPG and has a higher 3PA rate. So while he's averaging less attempts per game more of his offence is made up of 3s.

Uh oh. You made me wonder if this means he’s just hanging around outside more because he’s losing athleticism with age.

Here are his last 4.5 seasons, 2 point attempts, in a PER36 format

Age 31. 2PA 10.7
Age 32. 2PA 8.2
Age 33. 2PA 7.3
Age 34. 2PA 6.6
Age 35. 2PA 4.6

Troubling

Couple this with the defensive drop off over the last 3 seasons and it is pretty clear Conley is multiple years into the decline phase of his career. I wouldn't be all that excited to pay him $24.4M next season when there will almost certainly be another drop off.

Conley is no doubt a drop off from DLo in my mind. He’s not a shot creator or shooter at DLo’s level. He no longer gets to the line and probably is, at best, DLo’s equal on defense.

To me this is 100% about extending that salary slot for another year while getting someone to replace DLo. The problem with extending the salary slot is we don’t have the assets to attach to him to use it.

I don’t know what DLo is asking for in extension talks. But it is very clear he’s not getting it here. I just wish we could use him to upgrade, as opposed to downgrade at the point.

Now, if we can get a Lakers lightly protected pick or one of our picks back, I take it back. That would give us an asset to pair with the contract in a future deal.

[Ethomasp31]

To contextualise this further Conley is averaging less MPG and has a higher 3PA rate. So while he's averaging less attempts per game more of his offence is made up of 3s.

Uh oh. You made me wonder if this means he’s just hanging around outside more because he’s losing athleticism with age.

Here are his last 4.5 seasons, 2 point attempts, in a PER36 format

Age 31. 2PA 10.7
Age 32. 2PA 8.2
Age 33. 2PA 7.3
Age 34. 2PA 6.6
Age 35. 2PA 4.6

Troubling

Couple this with the defensive drop off over the last 3 seasons and it is pretty clear Conley is multiple years into the decline phase of his career. I wouldn't be all that excited to pay him $24.4M next season when there will almost certainly be another drop off.

He outplayed DLo last month when the Jazz beat us...

[Nick K]

Uh oh. You made me wonder if this means he’s just hanging around outside more because he’s losing athleticism with age.

Here are his last 4.5 seasons, 2 point attempts, in a PER36 format

Age 31. 2PA 10.7
Age 32. 2PA 8.2
Age 33. 2PA 7.3
Age 34. 2PA 6.6
Age 35. 2PA 4.6

Troubling

Couple this with the defensive drop off over the last 3 seasons and it is pretty clear Conley is multiple years into the decline phase of his career. I wouldn't be all that excited to pay him $24.4M next season when there will almost certainly be another drop off.

He outplayed DLo last month when the Jazz beat us...

Yep, and looked really good.

[Ethomasp31]

I'd rather have Conley, but if we ain't getting a FRP with him I'd rather take Westbrick with an unprotected pick and maybe 2nd round pick. Leave Ainge out of it.

I think Westbrook's contract is like $47M or something crazy like that. We would have to add assets without anything in return which wouldn't make sense for us. It would deplete our entire roster.

[BlacJacMac]

Conley is definitely not the defender he once was, but he's still much better than D'Lo. He's going to put in the effort and he's going to fight. He's not going to die on screens, he's not going to get caught watching the action flat-footed.

He's also not going to keep handing our opponent easy transition baskets with "heat check" 3s and stupid turnovers.

He's not going to force his coach to bench him in a "go home" playoff game.

He's a veteran presence on a team that tends to crumble without a grown-up on the floor.

He wants to be a PG and he wants the responsibility that goes along with it. Something D'Lo has made clear he isn't interested in.

He knows how to maximize Gobert on offense.

He also should help easy KAT back into the game.

Plus Ant and Conley are close. Apparently they talk basketball quite often.

And he kicks the salary slot down the road another year.

It's probably about as good of a deal as we can get for dumping Russell.

[shrink]

This is a good example of a trade where every team needs each other.

The Jazz don’t have enough mediocre players themselves to get an unprotected 1st from LAL
The Wolves alone don’t have enough salary, or trade value, to match Westbrook and an unprotected 1st.
The Lakers don’t want Conley’s $20 mil next year costing them cap space. For them, DLO >> Conley.

Working together, they can meet each team’s needs. But it will require MIN being compensated for a DLo-Conley swap.

[Neeva]

Dlo, forbes, nowell for Conley, la first, and Clarkson is a good deal. Clarkson takes Nowell’s minutes.

[Klomp]

Here's a thought...

Our holdup is draft compensation. We want a 1st.

Jazz not willing to send a 1st, maybe unless Minnesota sends some serious cash.

Glen Taylor is normally tighter with his money, so maybe Alex and Marc agree to fork over the money needed to push this deal over the edge.

[jscott]

Dlo, forbes, nowell for Conley, la first, and Clarkson is a good deal. Clarkson takes Nowell’s minutes.

I’d love that but it seems like an awful lot for DLo and basically nothing else of value (Nowell is expiring.) Maybe we can get one of Clarkson or picks but not both.

[BlacJacMac]

I'd rather have Conley, but if we ain't getting a FRP with him I'd rather take Westbrick with an unprotected pick and maybe 2nd round pick. Leave Ainge out of it.

I think Westbrook's contract is like $47M or something crazy like that. We would have to add assets without anything in return which wouldn't make sense for us. It would deplete our entire roster.

Something like Russell, Prince and 4 of Nowell, Rivers, Knight, Forbes and Ryan would basically keep us right around salary neutral...

[Neeva]

Well it’s time the wolves come off on the winning side of a trade for once.

[BlacJacMac]

Here's a thought...

Our holdup is draft compensation. We want a 1st.

Jazz not willing to send a 1st, maybe unless Minnesota sends some serious cash.

Glen Taylor is normally tighter with his money, so maybe Alex and Marc agree to fork over the money needed to push this deal over the edge.

The guys who are delaying their currently due payment to Taylor for the team?

[Ethomasp31]

This is a good example of a trade where every team needs each other.

The Jazz don’t have enough mediocre players themselves to get an unprotected 1st from LAL
The Wolves alone don’t have enough salary, or trade value, to match Westbrook and an unprotected 1st.
The Lakers don’t want Conley’s $20 mil next year costing them cap space. For them, DLO >> Conley.

Working together, they can meet each team’s needs. But it will require MIN being compensated for a DLo-Conley swap.

Pretty accurate assessment.

[Ethomasp31]

I'd rather have Conley, but if we ain't getting a FRP with him I'd rather take Westbrick with an unprotected pick and maybe 2nd round pick. Leave Ainge out of it.

I think Westbrook's contract is like $47M or something crazy like that. We would have to add assets without anything in return which wouldn't make sense for us. It would deplete our entire roster.

Something like Russell, Prince and 4 of Nowell, Rivers, Knight, Forbes and Ryan would basically keep us right around salary neutral...

It would be a pretty short bench...

[fattymcgee]

I'd rather have Conley, but if we ain't getting a FRP with him I'd rather take Westbrick with an unprotected pick and maybe 2nd round pick. Leave Ainge out of it.

I think Westbrook's contract is like $47M or something crazy like that. We would have to add assets without anything in return which wouldn't make sense for us. It would deplete our entire roster.

Something like Russell, Prince and 4 of Nowell, Rivers, Knight, Forbes and Ryan would basically keep us right around salary neutral...

Yeah, like Etho said, that's too much. Gonna have need a 3rd team.

[shrink]

Dlo, forbes, nowell for Conley, la first, and Clarkson is a good deal. Clarkson takes Nowell’s minutes.

This isn’t unbalanced.

Clarkson makes $13.34 this year, and has a $14.26 players option. The first year salary seems fair - a little above the MLE. He very likely is just a rental, if he declines that player’s option. That’s not a lot of value to the Jazz - we could use the production right now off the bench though.

And a 1st can mean a lot of things. We couldn’t expect the Lakers unprotected 2029 1st in this deal. I think the words Woj used was “draft compensations.” Maybe we get back a swap, or get to add some protections on a pick we already traded to UTA.

Seems ok to me. We would stay under the lux even if we kept Nowell.

[Saltine]

Deal is D'lo for Conley, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, and Minnesota gets 2024 lesser of Washington-Memphis second round pick and 2025 and 2026 second-round picks via Utah.

[guest81]

Deal is D'lo for Conley, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, and Minnesota gets 2024 lesser of Washington-Memphis second round pick and 2025 and 2026 second-round picks via Utah.

It's alright I guess. It just kinda sucks that every move for the future is based on the gobert deal

[wolves_89]

I think I'm more excited to get NAW than I am to get Conley.

[Murphs56]

I'm whatever on this deal (Happy it keeps the salary slot open) but I am very curious to see what a true point guard looks like in this offense that knows how to play with Gobert.