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2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins

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What do you think our chances are of winning the West and the Championship if we win the West?

20-30% we win west, 70-80% someone else in field does
6
10%
30-40% we win west, 60-70% someone else in field does
12
19%
40-50% we win west, 50-60% someone else in field does
7
11%
Greater than 50% we win west, less than 50% someone else in field does
5
8%
IF we win west, 50/50 chance we win vs east team
17
27%
IF we win west, greater than 50% chance we win vs east team
8
13%
IF we win west, less than 50% chance we win vs east team
7
11%
 
Total votes: 62

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Post#661 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:33 pm

NapoleonII wrote:Wow, I was majorly wrong.

And it feels like a slight overpay, but you got to go all in sometimes.

Nets could afford to wait it out until the summer, we couldn't, apparently. Not with Kyrie in Dal and Lakers getting Russell.

It'll be a fun offensive unit, let's hope we can get back some perimeter D.
The summer part is right. Getting this deal done now vs this summer was huge for Phoenix. The deal basically loses 25% of it value if this missed out on the post season run.

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Post#662 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:33 pm

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Mulhollanddrive wrote:Unless we replaced Cam Payne there's not much room to improve the bench.

Lee, Warren, Saric, Biyombo is about standard for a contender possibly even good if healthy and in form.


Not only that, but I really do not understand all of this crying about the bench all of a sudden...it's the exact same bench we had yesterday...

We trade 2 starters, and a non-player + picks, and in exchange, we get back 2 starters, one of which is a top 3 or 4 player in the league, even at 34. The bench that has been utilized this season, to date, hasn't changed, so unless we are crying over the same 'below-value' bench, with the same verve and vigor that we did yesterday, I'm not seeing how the staus of our bench is relevant to the argument against the trade, at all.

And tbh, Craig, Saric, Lee, Payne, Biyombo/Landale isn't a horrible bench. We also have Okogie, and/or Wainright to add some spirit to the defense, when needed. Yeah, Shamet is overpaid, but he's not the start-and-end of our bench. Payne is playing better this season than last, as is Saric, I'd argue.

and yeah, there's a distinguished difference in level of play between our starters and bench...but that's a good thing, IMO, as the Starters are where I'd rather have our (I'm sorry, Mat's) money spent.


I believe the paramount concern around upgrading the bench now post trade (despite your great points) is in the consideration of contrasting durability concerns between Bridges whom you could always count on to play, vs Durant and Warren who both have long history of durability issues/ injury concerns! So everyone is obviously hoping for greater insulatory depth (just in case)? :dontknow:
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Post#663 » by Slim Charless » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:34 pm

Really hope we can trade for thybulle. His defense is much needed on this team.
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Post#664 » by matt131 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:35 pm

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Post#665 » by Saberestar » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:35 pm

RedIndian wrote:What's with the sudden devaluation of 2nd round picks? Never used to hear these many picks just being thrown away.

Two 2nds for Muscala? Five 2nds for Crowder? Three 2nd for Hachimura?

What next? Seven 2nds for someone?

2nds don't have any value, you can get one at any time. A roster spot usually is too valuable to waste it on a player drafted in the 2nd round.
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Post#666 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:36 pm

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I really really hope Detroit doesn't do this.

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Post#668 » by Slim Charless » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:37 pm

Like why couldn't we put Dario on the trade? That way we could've traded Jae to Philly for Thybulle....
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Post#669 » by Calvin Klein » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:37 pm

We JUST saw how a team with Durant/Irving played out. :lol: insane.
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Post#670 » by Slim Charless » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:38 pm

matt131 wrote:
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Philadelphia 76ers are finalizing a deal to send Matisse Thybulle to the Portland Trail Blazers, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport.


One option gone


The best option. Only cares about defense.
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Post#672 » by Crives » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:39 pm

But seriously, josh Jackson?
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Post#673 » by darmani » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:39 pm

Thybulle is just Okogie with better PR.
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Post#674 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:40 pm

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Post#675 » by NapoleonII » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:40 pm

I think Okogie might step up, especially if you stagger Durant some.

Payne/Saben Lee
Lee/Shamet
Okogie
Durant
Biz

This bench unit is still scoring in bunches, using Durant as a decoy some, and defending the perimeter.
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Post#676 » by sunsfan1o1 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:40 pm

Slim Charless wrote:Like why couldn't we put Dario on the trade? That way we could've traded Jae to Philly for Thybulle....

Nobody wants our trash. We don’t have NBA players on our bench except for Payne. We have G League players and they show no promise of getting better.
Have to trade more picks to improve or call up Minnesota and try to get one over on them
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Post#677 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:42 pm

Okogie will never start so will only defend bench players.

So Craig will get everyone, huge risk.

That means Curry, Morant, Doncic etc in the West.
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Post#678 » by BobbieL » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:43 pm

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Suns need a two for one deal

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Post#679 » by Slim Charless » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:44 pm

sunsfan1o1 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:Like why couldn't we put Dario on the trade? That way we could've traded Jae to Philly for Thybulle....

Nobody wants our trash. We don’t have NBA players on our bench except for Payne. We have G League players and they show no promise of getting better.
Have to trade more picks to improve or call up Minnesota and try to get one over on them


We need to hit up the buy out market
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Post#680 » by Jdiddy701 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:45 pm

Suns need to get Kelly Oubre. That’s the guy. Go get him James Jones.


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