What's next?

[RookieStar]

What kind of passer do you want? HOFER luke Nash Stockton Kidd? Or the flashy ones like J.Williams?

He is more than good enough as a passer in the PG spot.

One thing about FVV is that he is top 15 in assist numbers.

Obviously I would want someone like Haliburton who is #1 in assist leaders.

For comparison Garland (#6), Conley (#7), Smart (#10), Holiday (#11), FVV (#15). Fultz is #35, which is pretty poor for a starting point.

He averages 5 a game. In comparison, Haliburton averages 10.5 and someone like Conley averages 8. Westbrook, for as bad as he’s been this season from 3 averages 8.

I dont know why people think Fultz is a good passer. He is average in pnr, bad in transition, his assist number in pedestrian. He is overall worse passer than Cole Anthony which tells a lot.

Because he can make passes that shows he knows you are in the perfect position to score/shoot. Too bad for us our shooters suck and even our layups rims out.

[zaymon]

One thing about FVV is that he is top 15 in assist numbers.

Obviously I would want someone like Haliburton who is #1 in assist leaders.

For comparison Garland (#6), Conley (#7), Smart (#10), Holiday (#11), FVV (#15). Fultz is #35, which is pretty poor for a starting point.

He averages 5 a game. In comparison, Haliburton averages 10.5 and someone like Conley averages 8. Westbrook, for as bad as he’s been this season from 3 averages 8.

I dont know why people think Fultz is a good passer. He is average in pnr, bad in transition, his assist number in pedestrian. He is overall worse passer than Cole Anthony which tells a lot.

Because he can make passes that shows he knows you are in the perfect position to score/shoot. Too bad for us our shooters suck and even our layups rims out.

He plays next to Gary but he refuses to pass to him, he prefers Banchero who is a bad shooter. 30% of his passes goes to Paolo, 18% to Franz, 14% to Wendell and only 6% to Gary. Thats a sign of low basketball iq. Even in limited minutes Anthony and Suggs make more impressive passes than Fultz. Markelle passes especially late in the game are not precise with questionable timing.
Anthony has more impressive playmaking numbers while playing with ever changing second lineup.

[RookieStar]

I dont know why people think Fultz is a good passer. He is average in pnr, bad in transition, his assist number in pedestrian. He is overall worse passer than Cole Anthony which tells a lot.

Because he can make passes that shows he knows you are in the perfect position to score/shoot. Too bad for us our shooters suck and even our layups rims out.

He plays next to Gary but he refuses to pass to him, he prefers Banchero who is a bad shooter. 30% of his passes goes to Paolo, 18% to Franz, 14% to Wendell and only 6% to Gary. Thats a sign of low basketball iq. Even in limited minutes Anthony and Suggs make more impressive passes than Fultz. Markelle passes especially late in the game are not precise with questionable timing.
Anthony has more impressive playmaking numbers while playing with ever changing second lineup.

Wheres thrnother 30% that he passes to? Eh.. you really do have to pass to your franchise/star player a lot.

What im talking about is that when he drives through traffic, he can see and make passes to thosr cutting at his angles.

[Bergmaniac]

Agree with this.. except for that lack of 3pt shot, he is everything I want in a PG. Big, high BBIQ, ball handler, slasher, etc

He is nowhere near good enough as a passer to be everything I want in a PG even with a 3 point shot.

What kind of passer do you want? HOFER luke Nash Stockton Kidd? Or the flashy ones like J.Williams?

He is more than good enough as a passer in the PG spot.

I want someone who is a well above average passer for an NBA starter at this position, which is definitely not Fultz. In the halfcourt he is a completely mediocre passer. He is decent at drive and kick, but so is pretty much every athletic PG in the league. When you watch him run a basic pick and roll and then watch the best PG do it the difference is night and day. And it's not just about his lack of shooting. His vision is mediocre, he is predictable and he is pretty bad at getting the ball to the roller. Our bigs are shooting a low percentage on two pointers from his passes which means he isn't getting them easy shots at the basket regularly. Paolo is shooting only 33% from Fultz's passes. Wendell is shooting 54%. Bol Bol is shooting 45%. Bamba is shooting 33%. Only Moe Wagner is shooting a high percentage from 2 on his passes (61%), and that's still below his average.

[zaymon]

He is nowhere near good enough as a passer to be everything I want in a PG even with a 3 point shot.

What kind of passer do you want? HOFER luke Nash Stockton Kidd? Or the flashy ones like J.Williams?

He is more than good enough as a passer in the PG spot.

I want someone who is a well above average passer for an NBA starter at this position, which is definitely not Fultz. In the halfcourt he is a completely mediocre passer. He is decent at drive and kick, but so is pretty much every athletic PG in the league. When you watch him run a basic pick and roll and then watch the best PG do it the difference is night and day. And it's not just about his lack of shooting. His vision is mediocre, he is predictable and he is pretty bad at getting the ball to the roller. Our bigs are shooting a low percentage on two pointers from his passes which means he isn't getting them easy shots at the basket regularly. Paolo is shooting only 33% from Fultz's passes. Wendell is shooting 54%. Bol Bol is shooting 45%. Bamba is shooting 33%. Only Moe Wagner is shooting a high percentage from 2 on his passes (61%), and that's still below his average.

Fultz is basically, premium Emanuel Mudiay. Mudiay was better shooter and pnr ball handler (lol), Fultz.is better finisher and defender.
Both overdrafted, big physical guards.

[OrlandoSaban]

My keepers
Jonathan Isaac: $17,400,000 ($7,600,000 guaranteed)
Bol Bol: $2,200,000 ($0 guaranteed)
Moritz Wagner: UFA ($1,855,319 cap hold)

My targets
FVV
Draft pick
Markelle Fultz: $17,000,000 ($2,000,000 guaranteed)

If Cole continues showing his consistency off the bench he may deserve that starting spot next year as an experiment next to Suggs. Otherwise I am 100% convinced that Cole should be kept and convinced he is a 6th man of the year candidate.

Good lord, please no more draft picks. Let’s friggin get someone in here where we can start winning

[Skybox]

Too much Fultz in too many threads (I know -guilty )...it's like Vuc a few years ago.

We compete, we give Suggs, Chuma, Cole and Houstan a lot of meaningful run but, if this is our team, we'll hit a ceiling (could be as high as play-in...so it could be fun as fans). Go to a tighter rotation in meaningful minutes and play like we matter - maybe we do. Let TRoss go since we've pissed away his trade value for 2 years, to the point we don't even get a 2rp/same as Bamba-but that's done...I see no reason to play guys like RJ, Admiral and Kevon, who are decent but will not be meaningful roster pieces if we are making any sort of progress and there's no value to us in upping their trade value now. Bring up a couple of prospects...a big, pick-setting bruiser energy guy who might be the next Ben Wallace, "out of nowhere" story or just fade into obscurity. Also, bring up a guy who does nothing but shoot lights out in the G league and see if he might be the next Duncan Robinson "out of nowhere" story or just fade into obscurity. The latter two roster spots are just "why not?" long shots who might not even see any meaningful PT.

Broad range of outcomes, but we've come too far with our young studs to just tank...let's see what we've got with a big eye to the summer. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if Paolo, WCJ, and Franz start getting more load management in pursuit of Scoot, but I'd really rather see us grow our core chemistry.

[VFX]

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I feel like raw assists numbers aren't a great way to tell who is a good passer or not because a lot of it relies on outside factors. Fultz seems average but makes several nice plays a game. The issue is that his lack of outside shot makes it inherently more difficult to make certain passes if they're sticking with their guys.

I understand that raw assist numbers aren’t the best metric in the world.

I’d also like to see someone operate a pnr situation with Banchero. Not entirely sure why we haven’t seen it that often. It would also help if the initiator could shoot off the dribble when the defender goes under Paolo’s screen in that situation.

[eyriq]

I think it's unlikely the Magic go chasing anyone in FA and probably retain most. I expect this team to be largely unchanged amongst the Top 10-12 players (i.e. I think we'll retain Isaac, Fultz, Bol Bol, Gary Harris, and resign Moe).

The Magic have really turned it around as they've gotten healthy. Barring significant injury setbacks, Isaac getting up to full speed will be like a free agent signing on it's own, plus potentially two more rookies (though i think odds are good we trade at least one of those lottery picks), and we can sign some mid level vets to fill out the roster a bit better. Plus just natural progression of players improving (specifically Banchero, Franz, Suggs, and even Fultz).

It's important when looking at these salaries to remember the MLE these days is $10m. So it's not like the players on the block have terrible salaries.

I can't see the Magic parting with Isaac unless he has another injury. They've been way too patient and determined to get him back to let him go.

Fultz has been very effective and the team's record with him is significantly better so I expect them to roll with him barring injuries as well.

Maaaaaaybe the team lets Gary Harris go because it's $13m, but I doubt it because he's turned into a really good 3 & D player this season. Maybe they think he's making too much for the bench, but he's just a little over the MLE and I doubt the Magic would find someone better. But if they wanted a little boost to cap space to pursue someone he'd be the guy IMO.

Where do you see the lottery picks fitting in?

[Knightro]

So after a night to think about it, I am declaring...

GOOD VIBES ONLY

...for the rest of the season.

We can bemoan what's next when the time comes to figure out what's next.

In the meantime, LET'S GO MAGIC! LETS GO FULTZ!

[zaymon]

So after a night to think about it, I am declaring...

GOOD VIBES ONLY

...for the rest of the season.

We can bemoan what's next when the time comes to figure out what's next.

In the meantime, LET'S GO MAGIC! LETS GO FULTZ!

I will also try to do that, especially becouse Fultz really hustles out there. Not his fault that he just doesnt fit and not his fault people overhype him based on being #1 pick.

[bigdogdylan5]

Unpopular opinion here:

I say run it back with no changes. The only exception would be an elite young guard that can shoot comes on the market (that doesn’t mean FVV or Lavine). The free agents we could get don’t entice me. I know we need shooting but we don’t need to settle. This team is trending up let’s see what it looks like next year and we can decide then on Fultz Isaac and Anthony. We can push cap space one more year before real decisions need to be made. I just don’t want to settle.

[Skybox]

Just generally speaking...Free Agency (almost) doesn't matter, very few guys are just bought away without a SnT, so basically making a pitch for any player in the league is on the table to some extent...we've got money and picks to play with. Who's the right guy(s) to take the next leap? I'm still leaning Simons - assuming Portland fails again AND chooses to build around Dame (foolishly) still

[MasterGMer]

Chasing the Play In!

The next two games will be critical: At Chicago and at Toronto. Both are just ahead of us in the standing.

We do not have many opportunities left and they are must win!

[thelead]

Chasing the Play In!

The next two games will be critical: At Chicago and at Toronto. Both are just ahead of us in the standing.

We do not have many opportunities left and they are must win!

Beat Chicago and lose to Toronto (is what I'd like to see). Keep the Bulls out of the play-in. 2 top 10 picks could set this franchise up for the next decade. Imagine picking up 2 more talents like Suggs and Franz like the last time we had our pick and the Bulls pick.

[J the Drafter]

I think the team needs a shotblocking and rebounding big. It seems we rely heavily on Suggs’ for our defense right now.

[JoshuaPotter]

My keepers
Jonathan Isaac: $17,400,000 ($7,600,000 guaranteed)
Bol Bol: $2,200,000 ($0 guaranteed)
Moritz Wagner: UFA ($1,855,319 cap hold)

My targets
FVV
Draft pick
Markelle Fultz: $17,000,000 ($2,000,000 guaranteed)

If Cole continues showing his consistency off the bench he may deserve that starting spot next year as an experiment next to Suggs. Otherwise I am 100% convinced that Cole should be kept and convinced he is a 6th man of the year candidate.

Good lord, please no more draft picks. Let’s friggin get someone in here where we can start winning

We are doing a decent job of it right now. Paolo + Franz might organically take us to .500 ball next year with very little measurable (if any) surrounding roster improvement. So investing in 1/2 more project players may not be bad since they are developing anyway.

[Black and Blue]

I concur with many of you on what the Magic should do. I’m firmly in the “do not extend Fultz” camp, but that requires some luck in drafting our PG of the future with one of these two (potentially last for a while) high lotto chances.

A healthy Isaac and two quality rookie draftees at PG and SG solves a LOT of problems. If the Magic extend Fultz with starter’s money it could hamper multiple plans for the future.

I am super optimistic on this team right now. No joke, probably more optimistic than I’ve been since the Shaq/Penny days…but the FO needs to play this off-season super smart and avoid shiny new thing syndrome (beyond the draft).

[p0peye]

So after a night to think about it, I am declaring...

GOOD VIBES ONLY

...for the rest of the season.

We can bemoan what's next when the time comes to figure out what's next.

In the meantime, LET'S GO MAGIC! LETS GO FULTZ!

That might mean posting only in Franz or Paolo threads, while staying away from circular arguments or not posting your honest opinion.

[fendilim]

I think the team needs a shotblocking and rebounding big. It seems we rely heavily on Suggs’ for our defense right now.

I wont sweat on it. I think isaac can help on the blocks and defense part, eventually.

Right now, What we need though is rebounding. Cause Mo Wagner isnt a rebounder. But i dont think mo can sustain this role. Eventually he’ll be moved as a 3rd string C, imo.