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Re: Around the NBA (and other Sports) 2022-23, Part 2 

Post#61 » by Feed Your Head » Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:40 am

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If he wants it. He’s gonna be able to have his pick of the litter- not sure what is or will be available or how he values the hawks but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk job opening. Maybe he will have real interest. Big difference between them having him on their list and the other way around tho.

I definitely agree that the Hawks are far from the most desirable job but I don't 100% buy yet that every team in the league is going to want Ime--the Nets were shameless as hell so them hiring him wasn't that surprising, and even they backed out. I'm curious if Philly hires Ime if Doc flames out, but all these teams know a lot more about what Ime did than we do and I still feel like he'd be listed by Woj/Shams if the Hawks wanted him (and not vice versa).

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be shocked, especially if Philly passes on him, if he has to take a HC opening in like Houston or something


I’m talking about Snyder wanting the hawks job man


What about Kenny Atkinson or Brett Brown?
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Post#62 » by GoCeltics123 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:41 am

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If he wants it. He’s gonna be able to have his pick of the litter- not sure what is or will be available or how he values the hawks but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk job opening. Maybe he will have real interest. Big difference between them having him on their list and the other way around tho.

I definitely agree that the Hawks are far from the most desirable job but I don't 100% buy yet that every team in the league is going to want Ime--the Nets were shameless as hell so them hiring him wasn't that surprising, and even they backed out. I'm curious if Philly hires Ime if Doc flames out, but all these teams know a lot more about what Ime did than we do and I still feel like he'd be listed by Woj/Shams if the Hawks wanted him (and not vice versa).

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be shocked, especially if Philly passes on him, if he has to take a HC opening in like Houston or something


I’m talking about Snyder wanting the hawks job man

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Post#63 » by djFan71 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:08 am

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GoCeltics123 wrote:I definitely agree that the Hawks are far from the most desirable job but I don't 100% buy yet that every team in the league is going to want Ime--the Nets were shameless as hell so them hiring him wasn't that surprising, and even they backed out. I'm curious if Philly hires Ime if Doc flames out, but all these teams know a lot more about what Ime did than we do and I still feel like he'd be listed by Woj/Shams if the Hawks wanted him (and not vice versa).

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be shocked, especially if Philly passes on him, if he has to take a HC opening in like Houston or something


I’m talking about Snyder wanting the hawks job man


What about Kenny Atkinson or Brett Brown?

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Post#64 » by MagicBagley18 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:40 am

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I’m talking about Snyder wanting the hawks job man


What about Kenny Atkinson or Brett Brown?

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Post#65 » by steefP2 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:23 pm

Rockets should fire Silas and hire Atkinson. Snyder is gonna wait for the Utah job I expect. Could see Ime or just hiring a upcoming and promising assistant

Edit: meant spurs not Utah
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Post#66 » by bisme37 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:11 pm

So Tristan Thompson has been on ESPN lately. I haven't particularly enjoyed his analysis but yesterday he was listing his top two-way players in the NBA. (Guys who play both ends, not guys on two-way contracts.) And he left Giannis off the list.

At first I was thinking, wtf, Giannis is a DPOY and MVP so how is he not a top two-way player? But TT's reasoning was that Giannis only plays help defense and never guards the best players straight up. And I came away kinda confused because that made sense to me. Like, does Giannis ever guard JT or even JB when we play them? And why doesn't he?

I don't even know why I'm typing this lol, but I thought it was interesting and I find myself still thinking about it.

(Tatum was on his list at #5 btw.)
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Post#67 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:55 pm

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Post#68 » by playa-hater » Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:38 pm

bisme37 wrote:So Tristan Thompson has been on ESPN lately. I haven't particularly enjoyed his analysis but yesterday he was listing his top two-way players in the NBA. (Guys who play both ends, not guys on two-way contracts.) And he left Giannis off the list.

At first I was thinking, wtf, Giannis is a DPOY and MVP so how is he not a top two-way player? But TT's reasoning was that Giannis only plays help defense and never guards the best players straight up. And I came away kinda confused because that made sense to me. Like, does Giannis ever guard JT or even JB when we play them? And why doesn't he?

I don't even know why I'm typing this lol, but I thought it was interesting and I find myself still thinking about it.

(Tatum was on his list at #5 btw.)


#5 2 way player??? please say no... Tatum can be argued as the best 2 way player right now. Still have the greek freak as best though.
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Post#69 » by bisme37 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:46 pm

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bisme37 wrote:So Tristan Thompson has been on ESPN lately. I haven't particularly enjoyed his analysis but yesterday he was listing his top two-way players in the NBA. (Guys who play both ends, not guys on two-way contracts.) And he left Giannis off the list.

At first I was thinking, wtf, Giannis is a DPOY and MVP so how is he not a top two-way player? But TT's reasoning was that Giannis only plays help defense and never guards the best players straight up. And I came away kinda confused because that made sense to me. Like, does Giannis ever guard JT or even JB when we play them? And why doesn't he?

I don't even know why I'm typing this lol, but I thought it was interesting and I find myself still thinking about it.

(Tatum was on his list at #5 btw.)


#5 2 way player??? please say no... Tatum can be argued as the best 2 way player right now. Still have the greek freak as best though.


I've only seen TT on TV a few times but right away it jumped out that he's biased in favor of the players he's personally friends with. I don't know how that entered into his thinking here but it probably did in some way at least.
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Post#70 » by BostonCouchGM » Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:41 pm

bisme37 wrote:So Tristan Thompson has been on ESPN lately. I haven't particularly enjoyed his analysis but yesterday he was listing his top two-way players in the NBA. (Guys who play both ends, not guys on two-way contracts.) And he left Giannis off the list.

At first I was thinking, wtf, Giannis is a DPOY and MVP so how is he not a top two-way player? But TT's reasoning was that Giannis only plays help defense and never guards the best players straight up. And I came away kinda confused because that made sense to me. Like, does Giannis ever guard JT or even JB when we play them? And why doesn't he?

I don't even know why I'm typing this lol, but I thought it was interesting and I find myself still thinking about it.

(Tatum was on his list at #5 btw.)


I think so many of the great scorers are guards that you can’t expect a 6’11” to defend. All the wings he’d guard get schemed away from him via PnR or offenses simply go with the better matchups. When we play them it’s usually Jaylen going against scrubs (Allen and Connaughton) with their help defense collapsing then the ball swings to the open player. When we’re hitting wide open threes we win. When we don’t we lose. Most of Giannis’ impact happens on help because teams scheme away from him. That’s why it’s always so exciting when Grant goes at him and scores on occasion…because it’s so rare
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Post#71 » by sam_I_am » Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:34 am

I can never watch highlights of this game enough. Imagine being so good that you publicly say you will go out and score 60 pts in next game to break team record….and the do it. Watching the reaction of Atlanta bench to Bird’s shots is hilarious. Nothing in sports has ever matched those days when Larry was still the GOAT and his bravado was over the top.

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"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Post#72 » by zoyathedestroya » Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:30 am

bisme37 wrote:My first thought for ATL was Udoka

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Post#73 » by jordb2k7 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:22 am

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bisme37 wrote:My first thought for ATL was Udoka

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I get the feeling Boston wants him to go somewhere else, so they can be absolved from paying him. Although we can get conspiracies going with Udoka and the Hawks trying to take Jaylen in a couple years…
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Post#74 » by Captain_Caveman » Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:04 am

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bisme37 wrote:My first thought for ATL was Udoka

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Post#75 » by djFan71 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:44 am

Stating the obvious, but it would be perfect for the Cs if somebody else just hires him.
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Post#76 » by steefP2 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:00 am

bisme37 wrote:So Tristan Thompson has been on ESPN lately. I haven't particularly enjoyed his analysis but yesterday he was listing his top two-way players in the NBA. (Guys who play both ends, not guys on two-way contracts.) And he left Giannis off the list.

At first I was thinking, wtf, Giannis is a DPOY and MVP so how is he not a top two-way player? But TT's reasoning was that Giannis only plays help defense and never guards the best players straight up. And I came away kinda confused because that made sense to me. Like, does Giannis ever guard JT or even JB when we play them? And why doesn't he?

I don't even know why I'm typing this lol, but I thought it was interesting and I find myself still thinking about it.

(Tatum was on his list at #5 btw.)



Tristan Thompson is a moron lol. Giannis has been matched up with both the jays in the past for brief moments, usually does very well on them in iso BUT if giannis is on your star you just screen him with portis or Allen or whoever’s man. Giannis, like every other big is not good at getting over screens cause duh. Dude is 7 foot and jacked as ****; too much of him to navigate screens like a guard. JT has gotten better at it but it’s hard for him to at 6-9.

It’s why double big lineups work so well; you can screen one big and put him on the perimeter like the Celtics do when they play against bam but with the Cavs, Celtics, bucks etc there’s still another rim protector behind him.

It’s also why we play Horford in a drop when he’s single big and we switch when it’s double big. Horford on the perimeter only works if you can switch and there’s another rim protector around; Al isn’t getting over a screen lol
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Post#77 » by Triple7 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:49 am

bisme37 wrote:
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bisme37 wrote:So Tristan Thompson has been on ESPN lately. I haven't particularly enjoyed his analysis but yesterday he was listing his top two-way players in the NBA. (Guys who play both ends, not guys on two-way contracts.) And he left Giannis off the list.

At first I was thinking, wtf, Giannis is a DPOY and MVP so how is he not a top two-way player? But TT's reasoning was that Giannis only plays help defense and never guards the best players straight up. And I came away kinda confused because that made sense to me. Like, does Giannis ever guard JT or even JB when we play them? And why doesn't he?

I don't even know why I'm typing this lol, but I thought it was interesting and I find myself still thinking about it.

(Tatum was on his list at #5 btw.)


#5 2 way player??? please say no... Tatum can be argued as the best 2 way player right now. Still have the greek freak as best though.


I've only seen TT on TV a few times but right away it jumped out that he's biased in favor of the players he's personally friends with. I don't know how that entered into his thinking here but it probably did in some way at least.


He’s definitely biased. He don’t know **** what he’s talking about. Every other bigs that won DPOY can’t guard or lock down players especially the best offensive players. There is no way guys like gobert can guard players like JT, KD, or even guards like steph or Kyrie. Giannis is one of the best 2 way players in the league. A lot of good defensive players are good at help defense. Players like Rob, who i think should have won last year if not injured, makes his most impact at help defense. I bet TT thinks himself as a good defensive player lol. I also hate players that kiss Lebron’s ass, and he’s one of them.
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Post#78 » by Triple7 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:51 am

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Yuck! I bet the entire hawks org is excited lol.
Not happening though.
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Post#79 » by ballup » Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:18 pm

bisme37 wrote:So Tristan Thompson has been on ESPN lately. I haven't particularly enjoyed his analysis but yesterday he was listing his top two-way players in the NBA. (Guys who play both ends, not guys on two-way contracts.) And he left Giannis off the list.

At first I was thinking, wtf, Giannis is a DPOY and MVP so how is he not a top two-way player? But TT's reasoning was that Giannis only plays help defense and never guards the best players straight up. And I came away kinda confused because that made sense to me. Like, does Giannis ever guard JT or even JB when we play them? And why doesn't he?

I don't even know why I'm typing this lol, but I thought it was interesting and I find myself still thinking about it.

(Tatum was on his list at #5 btw.)


He got an ESPN gig? Didn't expect that, but Perk is a regular on the media so nothing should surprise me at this point.

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Post#80 » by GoCeltics123 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 3:20 pm

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