Magic Trade Bamba for Pat Bev....WHY??

[Audi]

Maybe Austin Rivers was right. He told Mo Orlando is his city and to ask around and find out.

6 days later Mo is on a plane out of Orlando.

[basketballRob]

Two years from now, no one will admit that they begged for Orlando to get rid of Mo. Mo will be contributing deep into the playoffs.

Sent from my SM-G781U using RealGM mobile app

[CarraT]

Lakers keep on stealing our franchise centers

[JoshuaPotter]

Go Bamba! It's too early to tell if he has turned a corner, but right now playing next to Lebron and Davis seems to be very motivating for him.

[Skybox]

Two years from now, no one will admit that they begged for Orlando to get rid of Mo. Mo will be contributing deep into the playoffs.

Sent from my SM-G781U using RealGM mobile app

I agree that he will contribute and, maybe, improve overall...I have no regret about letting him go but the trade return was horrible. If that's all that was available, then I blame FO for not selling sooner or just keeping him until the summer to try again.

[Magic_Kingdom]

Vucevic — great return
Gordon — no return
Bamba — no return
Ross — no return
Fournier — no return
Hampton — no return
Isaac — ???
Okeke — ???

They tend to hold assets until they lose value and they invest in minimal production.

[fendilim]

Vucevic — great return
Gordon — no return
Bamba — no return
Ross — no return
Fournier — no return
Hampton — no return
Isaac — ???
Okeke — ???

They tend to hold assets until they lose value and they invest in minimal production.

Yeah, okeke will. If Isaac continues to be healthy, he’ll value will be trending back up. We may even regret trading him. Lol

[Def Swami]

Vucevic — great return
Gordon — no return
Bamba — no return
Ross — no return
Fournier — no return
Hampton — no return
Isaac — ???
Okeke — ???

They tend to hold assets until they lose value and they invest in minimal production.

I don't know that I agree with us not getting value for Gordon. Could it have been better? Sure. But, Gary Harris (46% from deep, 66% TS) has been no slouch and the Nuggets 2025 1st round pick isn't nothing. There's value in the RJ Hampton experiment. The Magic got a chance to look at Hampton for 2 years and were able to make an assessment on a pretty raw talent. It's disappointing that we couldn't get more out of RJ Hampton. Part of that is on Hampton as a prospect at this point. Part of it is on the Magic for squeezing him out of the guard rotation and tanking any value he had.

[pepe1991]

Vucevic — great return
Gordon — no return
Bamba — no return
Ross — no return
Fournier — no return
Hampton — no return
Isaac — ???
Okeke — ???

They tend to hold assets until they lose value and they invest in minimal production.

I don't know that I agree with us not getting value for Gordon. Could it have been better? Sure. But, Gary Harris (46% from deep, 66% TS) has been no slouch and the Nuggets 2025 1st round pick isn't nothing. There's value in the RJ Hampton experiment. The Magic got a chance to look at Hampton for 2 years and were able to make an assessment on a pretty raw talent. It's disappointing that we couldn't get more out of RJ Hampton. Part of that is on Hampton as a prospect at this point. Part of it is on the Magic for squeezing him out of the guard rotation and tanking any value he had.

Magic could have signed Garry Harris in free agency wihout trading back anything. His contract is 1+1 year with team's option. It's clear that rest of a league doesn't trust his production nor his health. And it's not hard to figure why.
He scored in double figures 8 out of 31 time.
He had 2 or more assits 10 out of 31 time.
He had 3 or more rebounds 12 out of 31 time.

We talk about "starter" guard who in 1/3rd of all games had 0 assists .

Yes, he is super effective if he shoots. Mostly because his shot selection is ultra conservative and he plays like he is 38 not 28. He takes 65% of all his shots from 3 point line. He can't drive, he can't blow by anybody, he is poor cutter.

There is good reason why there was virtually 0 rumors about mid season trades that involved him, despite fact he is expiring contract. He is not very good player. he is great shooter if he is wide open. But majority of nba shooters are great shooters under same circumstances.
Even whole defense thing is more a myth based on performances from 4,5,6 years ago and playoffs than anything he is doing last 3 years. He is better defender than average nba guard. But average nba guards don't defend, so ...whatever is that worth.

If you line up Gary Harris vs Damion Lee it becomes comical.
Lee is better rebounder, passer, slightly better scorer, shoots almost identical percentages and just happends to earn 5 times less money. Ty Jerome, Dinivicenzo also make less money on pretty similar production. Gary Harris arhytype is bench nba body that should play 12-14 mpg at most.

RJ ... meh. It looks like poor judgment of need for XY position, just like Bamba. Adding player that will never get PT on healthy roster is waste.

[Catledge]

I suspect that if AG were on this roster right now, people would be happy to flip him for a FRP and an expiring contract.

[SD2042]

I suspect that if AG were on this roster right now, people would be happy to flip him for a FRP and an expiring contract.

To me, once the Magic chose to experiment AG at the SF position(ridiculous), his days with the Magic were on countdown status. I'm glad he's in a better situation where he fits in a better system with the Nuggets.

[Rainwater]

I suspect that if AG were on this roster right now, people would be happy to flip him for a FRP and an expiring contract.

You are making it seem like the magic traded away a star player, lol.

[pepe1991]

I suspect that if AG were on this roster right now, people would be happy to flip him for a FRP and an expiring contract.

Gordon was good when he played his role.

There were, however, two issues:
1) over a top fans who saw some star in him
2) him thinking of himself as a star, witch, in itself, wasn't really issue. Issue was that in his mind "star" had to play in certain way that 100% did not fit his skillset

Gordon is PF rim runner and cutter who can make open 3 from time to time. Not "point forward" , not "small forward", not "ballhandler" and all other nonsense Magic fans tried to convice themselfs he is. The fact is, it took Gordon 7 years to get to the level Tobias Harris got in 4.And we traded Harris to open space for Gordon, to develop Gordon into something he never become, so he left to a team where he can finally be what Tobias Harris was for Magic 10 years ago. Above average PF.


This is all you need to know about how Magic used him vs how Nuggets use him.
On Magic, during their darkest " Gordon - new Paul George " days, he shot 23% of all shots from 0-10 feet.
On Nuggets, this year , he shoots 69% of all shots between 0-10 feet.

And that's just whole story in one data. Player being used in correct fashion, vs player doing whatever he wants because there is nobody to tell him to shut up and dribble.

[MoMM]

At least PatBev might guarantee that we will get the FRP from the Bulls this year.

[JoshuaPotter]

I suspect that if AG were on this roster right now, people would be happy to flip him for a FRP and an expiring contract.

Gordon was good when he played his role.

There were, however, two issues:
1) over a top fans who saw some star in him
2) him thinking of himself as a star, witch, in itself, wasn't really issue. Issue was that in his mind "star" had to play in certain way that 100% did not fit his skillset

Gordon is PF rim runner and cutter who can make open 3 from time to time. Not "point forward" , not "small forward", not "ballhandler" and all other nonsense Magic fans tried to convice themselfs he is. The fact is, it took Gordon 7 years to get to the level Tobias Harris got in 4.And we traded Harris to open space for Gordon, to develop Gordon into something he never become, so he left to a team where he can finally be what Tobias Harris was for Magic 10 years ago. Above average PF.


This is all you need to know about how Magic used him vs how Nuggets use him.
On Magic, during their darkest " Gordon - new Paul George " days, he shot 23% of all shots from 0-10 feet.
On Nuggets, this year , he shoots 69% of all shots between 0-10 feet.

And that's just whole story in one data. Player being used in correct fashion, vs player doing whatever he wants because there is nobody to tell him to shut up and dribble.

Wasn't part of the forum those days. I remember drafting Gordon though, and year 1/2 saying how far we go is based on how far he develops.

So yeah, your story checks out.

He is a great complimentary player.

We have 2 better players (objectively speaking) in year 1 Paolo and year 2 Franz then we did year 1-4 AG.

[SloNick Russia]

Vucevic — great return
Gordon — no return
Bamba — no return
Ross — no return
Fournier — no return
Hampton — no return
Isaac — ???
Okeke — ???

They tend to hold assets until they lose value and they invest in minimal production.

We still have a 1 round pick from Denver, its yet to bw seen what it brings.

Sent from my SM-G9750 using RealGM mobile app

[pepe1991]

Bamba already out of rotation for Lakers

#ChinaBound

[byeganyo]

There is good reason why there was virtually 0 rumors about mid season trades that involved him, despite fact he is expiring contract. He is not very good player. he is great shooter if he is wide open. But majority of nba shooters are great shooters under same circumstances.
Even whole defense thing is more a myth based on performances from 4,5,6 years ago and playoffs than anything he is doing last 3 years. He is better defender than average nba guard. But average nba guards don't defend, so ...whatever is that worth.

If you line up Gary Harris vs Damion Lee it becomes comical.
Lee is better rebounder, passer, slightly better scorer, shoots almost identical percentages and just happends to earn 5 times less money. Ty Jerome, Dinivicenzo also make less money on pretty similar production. Gary Harris arhytype is bench nba body that should play 12-14 mpg at most.

RJ ... meh. It looks like poor judgment of need for XY position, just like Bamba. Adding player that will never get PT on healthy roster is waste.

There were rumors regarding Gary Harris, we opted to keep him. Ross was offloaded instead, because he was visibly worse and now its getting 20 mpg for Suns.

And in what world Damion Lee is a better shooter and a better scorer than Gary Harris?

Gary Harris, if qualified, would be top 3 3pt shooter this season by %. He is the only starter we have that provides spacing, not getting enough shots is on the coach, not on him. Plus his defense is adequate at least. There are better contracts than his, there are plenty worse too.

I mean, is there are any reason why this team is 21-16 in the past 38 games? If you have low opinion on most players on the roaster and believe they dont deserve what they are paid, this seems as some kind of paradox.

[MoMM]

Bamba already out of rotation for Lakers

#ChinaBound

At least we got something for him

[pepe1991]

There is good reason why there was virtually 0 rumors about mid season trades that involved him, despite fact he is expiring contract. He is not very good player. he is great shooter if he is wide open. But majority of nba shooters are great shooters under same circumstances.
Even whole defense thing is more a myth based on performances from 4,5,6 years ago and playoffs than anything he is doing last 3 years. He is better defender than average nba guard. But average nba guards don't defend, so ...whatever is that worth.

If you line up Gary Harris vs Damion Lee it becomes comical.
Lee is better rebounder, passer, slightly better scorer, shoots almost identical percentages and just happends to earn 5 times less money. Ty Jerome, Dinivicenzo also make less money on pretty similar production. Gary Harris arhytype is bench nba body that should play 12-14 mpg at most.

RJ ... meh. It looks like poor judgment of need for XY position, just like Bamba. Adding player that will never get PT on healthy roster is waste.

There were rumors regarding Gary Harris, we opted to keep him. Ross was offloaded instead, because he was visibly worse and now its getting 20 mpg for Suns.

And in what world Damion Lee is a better shooter and a better scorer than Gary Harris?

Gary Harris, if qualified, would be top 3 3pt shooter this season by %. He is the only starter we have that provides spacing, not getting enough shots is on the coach, not on him. Plus his defense is adequate at least. There are better contracts than his, there are plenty worse too.

I mean, is there are any reason why this team is 21-16 in the past 38 games? If you have low opinion on most players on the roaster and believe they dont deserve what they are paid, this seems as some kind of paradox.

can you pls tell me witch one of those two players is Lee and witch one is Harris?



Keep in mind, one plays for $2M , other for $13 M

Gary Harris is definition of bench body who should not sniff near starting 5. On any nba team. I don't "hate " him, i just find him painfully mediocre at everything but spot up wide open shooting.
Again, we talk about player who failed to even reach double digits in scoring in 25 out of 33 games. In league where 170 out of 300 active players average 10 ppg ...