Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II

[BoyzNTheHood]

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Cissoko climbed a ladder trying to block Grimes during the Jordan Rising Stars game. His vertical is impressive.

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He's still 18 until April! If they float up into the 20's I'd take him as an eventual SG/SF. He's got an A/T of 2 in the GLeague! He has a higher FG and 3pt % than Scoot!

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Cissoko has better passing and defensive potential than JHS. Looks much stronger than say Rayan Rupert. Cissoko could be a smoother OG with better passing.

Cason, Jarace, Hendricks, Cissoko! Let's get one!

Sidy is nice. He doesn’t get enough attention for what he’s doing. I should also admit that I’ll need to put a bit more respect on Leonard Miller’s name. I didn’t think he’d be able to do what he’s doing in the G-League.

I also feel like we should mention Coulibaly every time we mention Rupert because Bilal is better in my opinion. Rupert is doing nothing impressive this year and we’re only talking about him because of measurements.


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[ATLTimekeeper]

Sidy is nice. He doesn’t get enough attention for what he’s doing. I should also admit that I’ll need to put a bit more respect on Leonard Miller’s name. I didn’t think he’d be able to do what he’s doing in the G-League.

I also feel like we should mention Coulibaly every time we mention Rupert because Bilal is better in my opinion. Rupert is doing nothing impressive this year and we’re only talking about him because of measurements.

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Coulibaly might be better in his role right now, but I think that he plays closer to a 3&D player. I haven't seen any ball skills that really make me think he's a higher end prospect. Rupert's numbers suck in what I feel like is the toughest league outside Spain for young players. But, he's got all the tools to blow up into something better than 3&D. Maybe they both end up there, but I would favour Rupert.

I'm not sure why Miller isn't getting more buzz. Even if his shot never develops he's looking like a highly versatile skilled forward. Cissoko's rebounding is a bit concerning. He looks smooth and slow. He's definitely talented. I don't really know who he reminds me of in the NBA. Boris Diaw?

[Psubs]

Sidy is nice. He doesn’t get enough attention for what he’s doing. I should also admit that I’ll need to put a bit more respect on Leonard Miller’s name. I didn’t think he’d be able to do what he’s doing in the G-League.

I also feel like we should mention Coulibaly every time we mention Rupert because Bilal is better in my opinion. Rupert is doing nothing impressive this year and we’re only talking about him because of measurements.

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I think we're only talking about Rupert because he's starting for the #2 team in the NBL, whereas Bilal is playing in a lower french division and isn't a unicorn quite like Wembanyama. Though he measures out like Mikal Bridges. Though is he playing well since Wembanyama is requiring double-teams and the defense isn't set against the other 4?

[BoyzNTheHood]

Sidy is nice. He doesn’t get enough attention for what he’s doing. I should also admit that I’ll need to put a bit more respect on Leonard Miller’s name. I didn’t think he’d be able to do what he’s doing in the G-League.

I also feel like we should mention Coulibaly every time we mention Rupert because Bilal is better in my opinion. Rupert is doing nothing impressive this year and we’re only talking about him because of measurements.

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Coulibaly might be better in his role right now, but I think that he plays closer to a 3&D player. I haven't seen any ball skills that really make me think he's a higher end prospect. Rupert's numbers suck in what I feel like is the toughest league outside Spain for young players. But, he's got all the tools to blow up into something better than 3&D. Maybe they both end up there, but I would favour Rupert.

I'm not sure why Miller isn't getting more buzz. Even if his shot never develops he's looking like a highly versatile skilled forward. Cissoko's rebounding is a bit concerning. He looks smooth and slow. He's definitely talented. I don't really know who he reminds me of in the NBA. Boris Diaw?

That’s fair. I think I just like what I’ve seen from Coulibaly more than Rupert. Every time I watch Rupert I’m not impressed. Coulibaly doesn’t make me say wow either, but I find what he does more impressive.

Sidy looks exactly like Marvin Williams on the court. Both darker complexion guys who shoot a lot of 3’s might be the only reason why though

[BoyzNTheHood]

Sidy is nice. He doesn’t get enough attention for what he’s doing. I should also admit that I’ll need to put a bit more respect on Leonard Miller’s name. I didn’t think he’d be able to do what he’s doing in the G-League.

I also feel like we should mention Coulibaly every time we mention Rupert because Bilal is better in my opinion. Rupert is doing nothing impressive this year and we’re only talking about him because of measurements.

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I think we're only talking about Rupert because he's starting for the #2 team in the NBL, whereas Bilal is playing in a lower french division and isn't a unicorn quite like Wembanyama. Though he measures out like Mikal Bridges. Though is he playing well since Wembanyama is requiring double-teams and the defense isn't set against the other 4?

Bilal taking even a little attention away from Wemby is impressive as hell lol

[Psubs]

Sidy is nice. He doesn’t get enough attention for what he’s doing. I should also admit that I’ll need to put a bit more respect on Leonard Miller’s name. I didn’t think he’d be able to do what he’s doing in the G-League.

I also feel like we should mention Coulibaly every time we mention Rupert because Bilal is better in my opinion. Rupert is doing nothing impressive this year and we’re only talking about him because of measurements.

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Coulibaly might be better in his role right now, but I think that he plays closer to a 3&D player. I haven't seen any ball skills that really make me think he's a higher end prospect. Rupert's numbers suck in what I feel like is the toughest league outside Spain for young players. But, he's got all the tools to blow up into something better than 3&D. Maybe they both end up there, but I would favour Rupert.

I'm not sure why Miller isn't getting more buzz. Even if his shot never develops he's looking like a highly versatile skilled forward. Cissoko's rebounding is a bit concerning. He looks smooth and slow. He's definitely talented. I don't really know who he reminds me of in the NBA. Boris Diaw?

Yes, a fitter Boris Diaw that is able to guard POA. After Cason Wallace, I'd look at Cissoko as a 2-way player to guard the perimeter and knock down shots. Jarace (afraid of getting FT's) and Henricks seem more like SF's that might be redundant on the Raptors. Though Henrdricks shooting over 40% from 3 is really nice.

Really need to sign and trade a player for another 1st pick in the 20's.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

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Yeah we need this guy expeditiously. Hes exactly what we want OG to be ideally. High efficiency 3D forward/wing with great 1v1 D and a great help defender (2 blocks a game is insane)

Even better if we can move OG for another lotto pick and can get Keyonte or Wallace to get some more guard play

[WuTang_CMB]

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Yeah we need this guy expeditiously. Hes exactly what we want OG to be ideally. High efficiency 3D forward/wing with great 1v1 D and a great help defender (2 blocks a game is insane)

Even better if we can move OG for another lotto pick and can get Keyonte or Wallace to get some more guard play

He played some centre in HS, you can tell from his game

[Dalek]

I have been looking at few of the combo guards because there seems to be a lot of decent ones in this draft class. I am not going to focus on the passing, because they all are decent passers statistically. Instead, I want to see who looks like an NBA guard. Where do they score the best? Are they using athleticism? How well do they score from three?

Cason Wallace (6'4 185 lbs): At the rim: 45-63 (71% - 11 total dunks) Mid-range: 36-94 (38%) Perimeter: 36 3P% (86% assisted)
Jalen Hood-Schifino (6'6 213 lbs): At the rim: 35-64 (55% - 3 total dunks) Mid-range: 69-167 (41%) Perimeter: 36 3P% (63% assisted)
Kobe Bufkin (6'4 195): At the rim: 77-112 (69% - 11 total dunks) Mid-range: 36-94 (38%) Perimeter: 35 3P% (74% assisted)
Colby Jones (6'6 207): At the rim: 80-131 (61% - 7 total dunks) Mid-range: 36-77 (47%) Perimeter: 39 3P% (87% assisted)
Anthony Black (6'7 195): At the rim: 75-118 (64% - 19 total dunks) Mid-range: 22-68 (33%) Perimeter: 32 3P% (71% assisted)

Size-wise I really like Hood-Schifino because at 213 lbs he is big enough to play at the NBA level, but he doesn't show a ton of athleticism and instead does well from mid-range and three and even creates a bit more from three than others. He might be a bit frustrating getting into the paint at the next level, but his mid-range bodes well at the next level. If they want a steady like Freddie-type, I would go with Hood-Schifino. I haven't watched him on defense much, but on offense JHS looks like a good size PG, maybe a bit like Jalen Suggs offensively.

All around I think Colby Jones looks like a NBA player given how efficient he is from three levels, his good size and floor game. He is a bit older at 21, but he seems a bit underrated. Play in a tough conference and competes well in big games. If Tor wants a plus offensive type, Colby Jones is a sizeable three-level scorer. Reminds me of Jalen Williams although Williams had 25 dunks in his last season so he is not that caliber of athlete.

Bufkin stands out with his at the rim finishing and I have watched him all season show tremendous skill finishing at the rim with both hands. He has a weak in-between game. He is similar in a lot of ways to Cason Wallace, but nowhere near the same level of defender. If Toronto wants a change of pace guy, I go with Bufkin because he looks like a creative finisher and has some willingness to attack. I don't think he would survive in our defensive schemes.

Black needs to work on the perimeter game and scoring overall. Nice athlete though and looks like he is going to be really effective attacking the basket. Not completely sold on him because the offense looks rough.

Wallace is a special defender and while he looks pretty meh of offense, you have to assume as a Kentucky guy he will show out more in the NBA. If Tor wants a POA defender and solid guard, Wallace makes sense, but he likely gets picked ahead of where Toronto drafts.

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Yeah we need this guy expeditiously. Hes exactly what we want OG to be ideally. High efficiency 3D forward/wing with great 1v1 D and a great help defender (2 blocks a game is insane)

Even better if we can move OG for another lotto pick and can get Keyonte or Wallace to get some more guard play

He played some centre in HS, you can tell from his game

Great timing on weak side blocks for a 3-4, he's going to be a STOCK monster. He's been my pick for a while for our range.

[OakleyDokely]

I'm not that into Dick. I mean, if you want someone like Joe Harris / Corey Kispert, he's a fine pick. I think he can be an elite catch and shoot role player, but who wants to take a role player with a lotto pick?

[Reeko]

I'm not that into Dick. I mean, if you want someone like Joe Harris / Corey Kispert, he's a fine pick. I think he can be an elite catch and shoot role player, but who wants to take a role player with a lotto pick?

Seems to have way more shot creation ability than either one of those guys, especially at the same age.

[OakleyDokely]

I'm not that into Dick. I mean, if you want someone like Joe Harris / Corey Kispert, he's a fine pick. I think he can be an elite catch and shoot role player, but who wants to take a role player with a lotto pick?

Seems to have way more shot creation ability than either one of those guys, especially at the same age.

I think he's still going to have a tough time creating in the NBA at an efficient level. He's probably better than Harris/Kispert in that aspect, but I think his true value will be in his catch and shoot potential. I'd feel more comfortable taking him mid-end 1st round than in the lotto.

[Los_29]

I'm not that into Dick. I mean, if you want someone like Joe Harris / Corey Kispert, he's a fine pick. I think he can be an elite catch and shoot role player, but who wants to take a role player with a lotto pick?

Seems to have way more shot creation ability than either one of those guys, especially at the same age.

Yeah, I think he's quite a bit better than Kispert and Harris. I agree that it's an underwhelming selection in the lottery but in my opinion he's legitimately one of the better players in the draft and should be a top 10 pick.

I do think he will struggle doing certain things at the NBA level but he's got an elite skill already and seems to be a passable defender.

[dozo]

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The post discusses his approach on evaluating players and the increase of offense in the NBA because of the 3pt shot.

Of 60 eligible players based on our most recent board, here is where the group’s “averages” fell across the same categories:

Average FG%: 47.4 (43.3% of players have greater than or equal to that mark)

Average 3P%: 30.3 (61.6% of players have greater than or equal to that mark)

Average PPG: 13.6 (53.3% of players have greater than or equal to that mark)

Average ORTG: 108.3 (61.6% of players have greater than or equal to that mark)

Average DRG: 95.6 (38.3% of players have less than or equal to that mark)

Average PER: 19.1 (50% of players have greater than or equal to that mark)

Average TS%: 54.5 (61.6% of players have greater than or equal to that mark)

Overall, this group rated out better than expected in a number of categories, especially shooting. Nearly 62% of prospects on the No Ceilings composite board are above-average shooters, which will bode well in determining potential projected roles down the road.

Here are the players this particular model loved (as do I in terms of long-term projection):

Victor Wembanyama
Scoot Henderson
Brandon Miller
Jarace Walker
Jett Howard
Gradey Dick
Max Lewis
Brice Sensabaugh
Taylor Hendricks
Jordan Hawkins
Kris Murray
Colby Jones
Marcus Sasser (<6’6”)
Trayce Jackson-Davis
DaRon Holmes
Jalen Wilson
Dereck Lively
Julian Strawther
Jaylen Clark (<6’6”)
Mike Miles (<6’6”)
Adem Bona
Azuolas Tubelis
Kobe Bufkin (<6’6”)
Leonard Miller
Jaime Jaquez
Sidy Cissoko
Ricky Council IV
Brandin Podziemski (<6’6”)
Keyontae Johnson (<6’6”)
Tucker DeVries

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I'm not that into Dick. I mean, if you want someone like Joe Harris / Corey Kispert, he's a fine pick. I think he can be an elite catch and shoot role player, but who wants to take a role player with a lotto pick?

I just thought of a random draft year and looked at it. That year was 2010. Go look at the amount of players taken in the 1st round who amounted to nothing. On top of that, you have players who maybe were named all-stars at times during their careers who were lottery picks but who ultimately just set your franchise back because they don't have championship DNA in them. Take Derozan for example, a player who was awful defensively and had to settle for lots of bad shots in the playoffs. Years of development until you realize the guy doesn't have what it takes to power you over the hill as his game was lacking in many important areas.

This post is not meant as an endorsement for Dick, but outside of the players who you know are going to be efficient superstars or ones who are worth gambling on to turn into that kind of a player, if there is a player in the mid to late lottery who you think can be one of the top players in the league given his role (whether that's as a shooter or let's say a center who is a defensive nightmare with limited offensive game) and carve out a long NBA career doing it, you pull the trigger. It's almost like in hockey where you might know that there's a center who is incredible at faceoffs and defensively but with limited offensive upside so you know he will only be a 3rd liner at best but has the potential to be one of the best in the league, you draft guys like that in the 1st round albeit not early. A lot of teams would rather have a guy they envision as one of the top 3rd line centers in the league over a raw kid whose future is uncertain but due to some of their skills can be envisioned as a 1st/2nd liner. Why? Because you need 3rd/4th liners regardless and you need yours to be better than those of other teams. Just like you need niche players in the NBA who excel at certain things because you can't have a full team of superstars not only in terms of being incapable of affording it due to the cap but because of the limited availability of such players and basketball being a team sport which requires certain pieces on the floor to play within the limitations of their role to achieve team success.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I'm not that into Dick. I mean, if you want someone like Joe Harris / Corey Kispert, he's a fine pick. I think he can be an elite catch and shoot role player, but who wants to take a role player with a lotto pick?

Seems to have way more shot creation ability than either one of those guys, especially at the same age.

I think he's still going to have a tough time creating in the NBA at an efficient level. He's probably better than Harris/Kispert in that aspect, but I think his true value will be in his catch and shoot potential.

It really depends on how high he goes. If you have a top 5 pick you want the most likely to become a superstar. That's because you're drafting top 5 because your team probably is in the toilet and you need to change it up. Outside the top 5 maybe go for the most likely to succeed and least likely to **** up what you have going on. Klay is going to the hall of fame without being able to dribble, so there's always positive models for players like Dick who can run around all game and shoot from everywhere.

[Reeko]

I'm not that into Dick. I mean, if you want someone like Joe Harris / Corey Kispert, he's a fine pick. I think he can be an elite catch and shoot role player, but who wants to take a role player with a lotto pick?

Seems to have way more shot creation ability than either one of those guys, especially at the same age.

I think he's still going to have a tough time creating in the NBA at an efficient level. He's probably better than Harris/Kispert in that aspect, but I think his true value will be in his catch and shoot potential. I'd feel more comfortable taking him mid-end 1st round than in the lotto.

I'm not going to act like I've seen anything more than highlights because I haven't. But Gradey just looks like a significantly better athlete than Harris or Kispert, his fluidity is on another level than those guys. I think he has All Star potential at the next level.

[Yallbecrazy]

I'm not that into Dick. I mean, if you want someone like Joe Harris / Corey Kispert, he's a fine pick. I think he can be an elite catch and shoot role player, but who wants to take a role player with a lotto pick?

What about Klay Thompson with better passing/ bbiq?
Gradey has good height and bbiq along with good shooting and off the dribble ability. His reasonable floor is NBA starter which is pretty damn good when the majority of lotto picks every year never amount to being a starter on a playoff team.

[alpngso]

Dick is probably gonna get drafted in top 15.

Just look at Trey Murphy III, Corey Kispert, Chris Duarte, Kevin Huerter, AJ Griffin, etc

Most of the elite shooters go in lottery or near lottery. Not many guys who are 6-8 can shoot like Gradey. Raptors probably not drafting him since he's not a longboi with defense.