Build a Franchise (Season 6)- Discussion Thread continued

[Context]

How does this trade add anything? Unless I'm misreading any trade under this rule would already be legal under the current league rules. Or are you trying to limit teams dumping salary because I don't think anyone would agree to that.

Yeah I agree...

I would like us to have a "franchise tag" or ability to resign any one player at any amount regardless of cap space...
What are your thoughts on that one E?

I'm a strong proponent of the hard cap we have. This would basically make it so that teams never lose stars. The bottom teams would have only one legitimate strategy, tanking.

can a real nba team go over the cap to sign a player?

[E-Balla]

I have been thinking about a new trade rule for next season that would be like the trade rule in the CBA.

A - Trades must be within 20% of the cap spent.
B - Teams are still not allowed to go $100 over the cap.

Simple examples:
$1000 for $800 or more.
$500 for $400 or more.
$200 for $160 or more.
$100 for $80 or more.
$20 for $16 or more.

We would still apply the hard and fast rule that teams cannot exceed $1150; but they would be allowed to go as high as $1150. It would be a little more math for Bish; but I do think it would make processing trades, especially the big ones, much easier in the long run.

If I messed up the examples, please feel free to correct my math. It is late

How does this trade add anything? Unless I'm misreading any trade under this rule would already be legal under the current league rules. Or are you trying to limit teams dumping salary because I don't think anyone would agree to that.

I think he is suggesting if you are over the soft cap but still under the hard cap you can acquire up to 120% on a trade.

Right now if you are over the soft cap in a trade you can only either match salary or lose salary. From what I'm gathering he is suggesting say you are currently sitting at $1100 in salary and are $55 south of hard cap. If you have a trade where you are sending out $40 and bringing in $45. Adding $5 of salary to get you to $1105...that currently is not allowed.

What I think he is saying he is proposing allowing that move as long as you stay under the hard cap of $1155.

Right now the only way to increase your soft cap # up to the hard cap is Bird Rights FA and draft picks as long as you stay within hard cap. I think the simple breakdown he wants to add trades to an ability to increase your soft cap # as long as you stay within 20% of the individual trade. Like you can trade a $1 player and bring a $50 dollar player with the hard cap. It would have to be a 120% rule.

You can do that already can you not? A few guys this trade season went from over the hard cap, to under, back to over. Maybe that's not officially in the rules but it happened more than a few times. I do think the whole "unlock" extra cap space thing makes it unbalanced, but it punishes tanking teams.

[E-Balla]

Yeah I agree...

I would like us to have a "franchise tag" or ability to resign any one player at any amount regardless of cap space...
What are your thoughts on that one E?

I'm a strong proponent of the hard cap we have. This would basically make it so that teams never lose stars. The bottom teams would have only one legitimate strategy, tanking.

can a real nba team go over the cap to sign a player?

We have a max salary for players? Like we don't have rules 1 to 1 from the league, a soft cap needs a max salary to be any type of fair.

[mpharris36]

How does this trade add anything? Unless I'm misreading any trade under this rule would already be legal under the current league rules. Or are you trying to limit teams dumping salary because I don't think anyone would agree to that.

I think he is suggesting if you are over the soft cap but still under the hard cap you can acquire up to 120% on a trade.

Right now if you are over the soft cap in a trade you can only either match salary or lose salary. From what I'm gathering he is suggesting say you are currently sitting at $1100 in salary and are $55 south of hard cap. If you have a trade where you are sending out $40 and bringing in $45. Adding $5 of salary to get you to $1105...that currently is not allowed.

What I think he is saying he is proposing allowing that move as long as you stay under the hard cap of $1155.

Right now the only way to increase your soft cap # up to the hard cap is Bird Rights FA and draft picks as long as you stay within hard cap. I think the simple breakdown he wants to add trades to an ability to increase your soft cap # as long as you stay within 20% of the individual trade. Like you can trade a $1 player and bring a $50 dollar player with the hard cap. It would have to be a 120% rule.

You can do that already can you not? A few guys this trade season went from over the hard cap, to under, back to over. Maybe that's not officially in the rules but it happened more than a few times. I do think the whole "unlock" extra cap space thing makes it unbalanced, but it punishes tanking teams.

I don't think that happened. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

[2010]

Yeah I agree...

I would like us to have a "franchise tag" or ability to resign any one player at any amount regardless of cap space...
What are your thoughts on that one E?

I'm a strong proponent of the hard cap we have. This would basically make it so that teams never lose stars. The bottom teams would have only one legitimate strategy, tanking.

can a real nba team go over the cap to sign a player?

We can already go over the soft cap ($1,050 this season up to the hard cap of $1,155) to re-sign a player(s) — as long as we have their bird rights (just like in the NBA).

[2010]

How does this trade add anything? Unless I'm misreading any trade under this rule would already be legal under the current league rules. Or are you trying to limit teams dumping salary because I don't think anyone would agree to that.

I think he is suggesting if you are over the soft cap but still under the hard cap you can acquire up to 120% on a trade.

Right now if you are over the soft cap in a trade you can only either match salary or lose salary. From what I'm gathering he is suggesting say you are currently sitting at $1100 in salary and are $55 south of hard cap. If you have a trade where you are sending out $40 and bringing in $45. Adding $5 of salary to get you to $1105...that currently is not allowed.

What I think he is saying he is proposing allowing that move as long as you stay under the hard cap of $1155.

Right now the only way to increase your soft cap # up to the hard cap is Bird Rights FA and draft picks as long as you stay within hard cap. I think the simple breakdown he wants to add trades to an ability to increase your soft cap # as long as you stay within 20% of the individual trade. Like you can trade a $1 player and bring a $50 dollar player with the hard cap. It would have to be a 120% rule.

You can do that already can you not? A few guys this trade season went from over the hard cap, to under, back to over. Maybe that's not officially in the rules but it happened more than a few times. I do think the whole "unlock" extra cap space thing makes it unbalanced, but it punishes tanking teams.

No team can go over the hard cap. That would render a transaction illegal. It’s never happened. At no point did any team have a salary north of $1,155.

[E-Balla]

I think he is suggesting if you are over the soft cap but still under the hard cap you can acquire up to 120% on a trade.

Right now if you are over the soft cap in a trade you can only either match salary or lose salary. From what I'm gathering he is suggesting say you are currently sitting at $1100 in salary and are $55 south of hard cap. If you have a trade where you are sending out $40 and bringing in $45. Adding $5 of salary to get you to $1105...that currently is not allowed.

What I think he is saying he is proposing allowing that move as long as you stay under the hard cap of $1155.

Right now the only way to increase your soft cap # up to the hard cap is Bird Rights FA and draft picks as long as you stay within hard cap. I think the simple breakdown he wants to add trades to an ability to increase your soft cap # as long as you stay within 20% of the individual trade. Like you can trade a $1 player and bring a $50 dollar player with the hard cap. It would have to be a 120% rule.

You can do that already can you not? A few guys this trade season went from over the hard cap, to under, back to over. Maybe that's not officially in the rules but it happened more than a few times. I do think the whole "unlock" extra cap space thing makes it unbalanced, but it punishes tanking teams.

No team can go over the hard cap. That would render a transaction illegal. It’s never happened. At no point did any team have a salary north of $1,155.

I mistyped I meant soft cap. A team that already unlocked their soft cap can go over and under right?

[mpharris36]

You can do that already can you not? A few guys this trade season went from over the hard cap, to under, back to over. Maybe that's not officially in the rules but it happened more than a few times. I do think the whole "unlock" extra cap space thing makes it unbalanced, but it punishes tanking teams.

No team can go over the hard cap. That would render a transaction illegal. It’s never happened. At no point did any team have a salary north of $1,155.

I mistyped I meant soft cap. A team that already unlocked their soft cap can go over and under right?

a team over can go under...by trading with a team that has cap space.

But a team under during the season has never been able to go back over. The only times you are able to go over the soft cap are bird rights FA and draft picks.

[2010]

You can do that already can you not? A few guys this trade season went from over the hard cap, to under, back to over. Maybe that's not officially in the rules but it happened more than a few times. I do think the whole "unlock" extra cap space thing makes it unbalanced, but it punishes tanking teams.

No team can go over the hard cap. That would render a transaction illegal. It’s never happened. At no point did any team have a salary north of $1,155.

I mistyped I meant soft cap. A team that already unlocked their soft cap can go over and under right?

Correct, but only to re-sign their own bird rights free agents, sign their draft picks, or to offer contract extensions to their eligible players on rookie deals up until the trade deadline.

However, when trading teams that are over the soft cap have to match dollar for dollar or take on less salary than they’re sending out. At no point can any team exceed the hard cap.

[Manhattan Project]

Almost got Warren and Bridges back, so at least it'll be interesting to see how the team plays out the rest of the season. Bridges in real life has been putting together some real interesting games, almost averaging 24 points a game since joining the Nets, that's been a pleasant surprise.

[Strick]

Read on Twitter

What in the f*ck? This dude has been involved with some of the wildest, most bizarre headlines imaginable

[Buzzard]

I have been thinking about a new trade rule for next season that would be like the trade rule in the CBA.

A - Trades must be within 20% of the cap spent.
B - Teams are still not allowed to go $100 over the cap.

Simple examples:
$1000 for $800 or more.
$500 for $400 or more.
$200 for $160 or more.
$100 for $80 or more.
$20 for $16 or more.

We would still apply the hard and fast rule that teams cannot exceed $1150; but they would be allowed to go as high as $1150. It would be a little more math for Bish; but I do think it would make processing trades, especially the big ones, much easier in the long run.

If I messed up the examples, please feel free to correct my math. It is late

How does this trade add anything? Unless I'm misreading any trade under this rule would already be legal under the current league rules. Or are you trying to limit teams dumping salary because I don't think anyone would agree to that.

I think he is suggesting if you are over the soft cap but still under the hard cap you can acquire up to 120% on a trade.

Right now if you are over the soft cap in a trade you can only either match salary or lose salary. From what I'm gathering he is suggesting say you are currently sitting at $1100 in salary and are $55 south of hard cap. If you have a trade where you are sending out $40 and bringing in $45. Adding $5 of salary to get you to $1105...that currently is not allowed.

What I think he is saying he is proposing allowing that move as long as you stay under the hard cap of $1155.

Right now the only way to increase your soft cap # up to the hard cap is Bird Rights FA and draft picks as long as you stay within hard cap. I think the simple breakdown he wants to add trades to an ability to increase your soft cap # as long as you stay within 20% of the individual trade. Like you can trade a $1 player and bring a $50 dollar player with the hard cap. It would have to be a 120% rule.

This is exactly what I am suggesting. We could even make it simpler math by saying within 10% of the outgoing vs incoming cap. A lost part of this is that teams looking to rebuild can take on cap or dump cap up to 10 or 20% of the trade.

So it could be a bigger win for teams in dire need of a rebuild.

[br7knicks]

I have been thinking about a new trade rule for next season that would be like the trade rule in the CBA.

A - Trades must be within 20% of the cap spent.
B - Teams are still not allowed to go $100 over the cap.

Simple examples:
$1000 for $800 or more.
$500 for $400 or more.
$200 for $160 or more.
$100 for $80 or more.
$20 for $16 or more.

We would still apply the hard and fast rule that teams cannot exceed $1150; but they would be allowed to go as high as $1150. It would be a little more math for Bish; but I do think it would make processing trades, especially the big ones, much easier in the long run.

If I messed up the examples, please feel free to correct my math. It is late

How does this trade add anything? Unless I'm misreading any trade under this rule would already be legal under the current league rules. Or are you trying to limit teams dumping salary because I don't think anyone would agree to that.

I think he is suggesting if you are over the soft cap but still under the hard cap you can acquire up to 120% on a trade.

Right now if you are over the soft cap in a trade you can only either match salary or lose salary. From what I'm gathering he is suggesting say you are currently sitting at $1100 in salary and are $55 south of hard cap. If you have a trade where you are sending out $40 and bringing in $45. Adding $5 of salary to get you to $1105...that currently is not allowed.

What I think he is saying he is proposing allowing that move as long as you stay under the hard cap of $1155.

Right now the only way to increase your soft cap # up to the hard cap is Bird Rights FA and draft picks as long as you stay within hard cap. I think the simple breakdown he wants to add trades to an ability to increase your soft cap # as long as you stay within 20% of the individual trade. Like you can trade a $1 player and bring a $50 dollar player with the hard cap. It would have to be a 120% rule.

That's how I read it. I'm sure there are problems with it that I haven't thought about.

For rule changes with me, I always ask myself, would this make bush's job harder? If so, I don't want the rule.

[Buzzard]

How does this trade add anything? Unless I'm misreading any trade under this rule would already be legal under the current league rules. Or are you trying to limit teams dumping salary because I don't think anyone would agree to that.

I think he is suggesting if you are over the soft cap but still under the hard cap you can acquire up to 120% on a trade.

Right now if you are over the soft cap in a trade you can only either match salary or lose salary. From what I'm gathering he is suggesting say you are currently sitting at $1100 in salary and are $55 south of hard cap. If you have a trade where you are sending out $40 and bringing in $45. Adding $5 of salary to get you to $1105...that currently is not allowed.

What I think he is saying he is proposing allowing that move as long as you stay under the hard cap of $1155.

Right now the only way to increase your soft cap # up to the hard cap is Bird Rights FA and draft picks as long as you stay within hard cap. I think the simple breakdown he wants to add trades to an ability to increase your soft cap # as long as you stay within 20% of the individual trade. Like you can trade a $1 player and bring a $50 dollar player with the hard cap. It would have to be a 120% rule.

That's how I read it. I'm sure there are problems with it that I haven't thought about.

For rule changes with me, I always ask myself, would this make bush's job harder? If so, I don't want the rule.

I think its a catch 22. For trades that are only a few dollars off, this will speed it up tremendously. For some others it will be tight because of the math.

I will not be upset if it does not get done. I just think it gives GMs another avenue of creativity without blowing the cap out of proportion.

[br7knicks]

Read on Twitter

What in the f*ck? This dude has been involved with some of the wildest, most bizarre headlines imaginable

think that guy saw the flier and knew he had the perfect jersey regardless of the event

[2010]

Read on Twitter

What in the f*ck? This dude has been involved with some of the wildest, most bizarre headlines imaginable

Let’s see what Mr. Morals Hoffa does with Morant now. I vividly recall him throwing shots cuz I’ve rostered Bridges.

Hoffa, you luh da kids right? Well Morant assaulted a 17 year old boy — a minor (swinging on him first) then going to retrieve his gun and brandishing it on the child, after him and his boys jumped him. This is all by his own admission. Let’s see how high those morals are now.

Whatcha gon’ do? Cut him!?

[Context]

I'm a strong proponent of the hard cap we have. This would basically make it so that teams never lose stars. The bottom teams would have only one legitimate strategy, tanking.

can a real nba team go over the cap to sign a player?

We can already go over the soft cap ($1,050 this season up to the hard cap of $1,155) to re-sign a player(s) — as long as we have their bird rights (just like in the NBA).

for a $110 dollars...not the same in context...you can get out bid by another team- in real life that doesnt happen...

[2010]

can a real nba team go over the cap to sign a player?

We can already go over the soft cap ($1,050 this season up to the hard cap of $1,155) to re-sign a player(s) — as long as we have their bird rights (just like in the NBA).

for a $110 dollars...not the same in context...you can get out bid by another team- in real life that doesnt happen...

I’m not sure what you mean. In the NBA the incumbent team can get outbid for their free agent too.

• Jeremy Lin to the Rockets (Knicks outbid for him)
• Jalen Brunson to the Knicks (Mavs outbid for him)

[Context]

We can already go over the soft cap ($1,050 this season up to the hard cap of $1,155) to re-sign a player(s) — as long as we have their bird rights (just like in the NBA).

for a $110 dollars...not the same in context...you can get out bid by another team- in real life that doesnt happen...

I’m not sure what you mean. In the NBA the incumbent team can get outbid for their free agent too.

• Jeremy Lin to the Rockets (Knicks outbid for him)
• Jalen Brunson to the Knicks (Mavs outbid for him)

the mavs could have matched and the knicks for lin if they wanted to right? or increased the offer...

[2010]

for a $110 dollars...not the same in context...you can get out bid by another team- in real life that doesnt happen...

I’m not sure what you mean. In the NBA the incumbent team can get outbid for their free agent too.

• Jeremy Lin to the Rockets (Knicks outbid for him)
• Jalen Brunson to the Knicks (Mavs outbid for him)

the mavs could have matched and the knicks for lin if they wanted to right? or increased the offer...

Ok, I see what you mean. I think the difference is in the NBA they have a luxury tax. In BaF we don’t. So that’s why the hard cap is needed.