Matisse Thybulle Appreciation Thread

[M2J]

There is also pressure in trying to develop in a championship situation. Rather than going somewhere that doesn't even anticipate making the playoffs. That again is a part of the dangers of fully developing a talent while competing.

Again, I'm a huge Matisse fan, and felt he should've played more or started. I could see the work he put in this off-season. But the team effectively went out and got 3 replacements for him in Melton, Tucker, House. They weren't going to sign him and this is a business where you play the guys you invest in. Because Matisse started pretty much all of last season, and couldn't shoot... They changed course. They are also balancing the tax

[Jay555]

Can we ship Doc next season along with Tobi? Both are holding back this team for years.

Unless we win the chip this year…

[mjkvol]

Matisse is shooting the cover off the ball since being traded. I think there really is a unique pressure to playing in Philly & being a young guy coached by Doc.

'Unique pressure'. Perform at peak efficiency right out of the gate or you'll be buried and eventually dumped unless I have no other option, as in Tyrese Maxey - that's Glenn's unique pressure.

No need to do this, guys. Matisse played 5000+ minutes for the Sixers, and took 500+ shots. He played with different players and stars and he was the same basic guy the whole time, with the same limitations that didn't seem like they had any clear fixes. You could argue he still should've gotten some more PT these last couple months but Doc wasn't holding him back or anything. (He also turns 26 in a few days so it's not like he's a super early career dude struggling to find his way.)

No need to do what, question Rivers' treatment of young talent? Thybulle might not be the best example, but as was just pointed out, we don't know what kind of pressure was applied to him here, if he knew he was under the microscope by Rivers as well as the Philly fans, but what we do know is so far he is performing almost immediately after getting out of here.

We've seen the same with Isaiah Joe and Bassey, to some extent, and they fit spots that we keep signing washed veterans to fill here instead of properly developing young guys to grow into the rotation. We might end up doing the same with Maxey, and it's a safe bet with Springer as well before it's all said and done with this coach. So please save your lectures.

[HotelVitale]

'Unique pressure'. Perform at peak efficiency right out of the gate or you'll be buried and eventually dumped unless I have no other option, as in Tyrese Maxey - that's Glenn's unique pressure.

No need to do this, guys. Matisse played 5000+ minutes for the Sixers, and took 500+ shots. He played with different players and stars and he was the same basic guy the whole time, with the same limitations that didn't seem like they had any clear fixes. You could argue he still should've gotten some more PT these last couple months but Doc wasn't holding him back or anything. (He also turns 26 in a few days so it's not like he's a super early career dude struggling to find his way.)

No need to do what, question Rivers' treatment of young talent? Thybulle might not be the best example, but as was just pointed out, we don't know what kind of pressure was applied to him here, if he knew he was under the microscope by Rivers as well as the Philly fans, but what we do know is so far he is performing almost immediately after getting out of here.

We've seen the same with Isaiah Joe and Bassey, to some extent, and they fit spots that we keep signing washed veterans to fill here instead of properly developing young guys to grow into the rotation. We might end up doing the same with Maxey, and it's a safe bet with Springer as well before it's all said and done with this coach. So please save your lectures.

No need to jam the same point we always make about Doc into the case of Thybulle. Doc sucks but all of us saw firsthand why Thybulle didn’t work out, and he got literally thousands of more minutes without a tight leash than Joe and Bassey. (Plus we see Melton—who’s younger than Matisse—playing better than him and getting those minutes). And I also don’t think basing a theory on him shooting well in 2-3 games is going anywhere.

More generally I don’t think we need to be crying into our beers about Thybulle. He was alright for us as a rookie deal guy and didn’t work past that, and it feels like we got enough of a look at him to be sure of that.

[Jailblazers7]

Nobody is crying into their beer. Matisse was similar to Fultz to me. I knew if he ever figured it out it wouldn’t be in Philly and I’m glad we got a decent player for him. I still like the guy tho and find his recent performance interesting & worthy of conversation.

[mjkvol]

No need to jam the same point we always make about Doc into the case of Thybulle. Doc sucks but all of us saw firsthand why Thybulle didn’t work out, and he got literally thousands of more minutes without a tight leash than Joe and Bassey. (Plus we see Melton—who’s younger than Matisse—playing better than him and getting those minutes). And I also don’t think basing a theory on him shooting well in 2-3 games is going anywhere.

More generally I don’t think we need to be crying into our beers about Thybulle. He was alright for us as a rookie deal guy and didn’t work past that, and it feels like we got enough of a look at him to be sure of that.

No one's crying about Thybulle being gone. The point about Rivers is valid, especially because this franchise will be bereft of young talent or picks by the time he and Morey are done. I sure as hell hope we get a parade out of it, but I highly doubt it.

[Dnt hate]

U conveniently forgot to throw sum respec on Drew Eubanks' name!

Why don't u guys reply to the guy who didn't mention he got 4 steals?

Because we all know he can collect steals, one of the best in the past decade at that. That wasn't enough for him to play for us, and it's also not a sign that he's 'fixing' his game or just needed a change of scenery or whatever to be a complete player.

Healthier to not even worry about it, though, he's off the Sixers and nothing he does from now on has any relevance to the team or our fate.

Thybulle 5/6 from 3 yesterday. He had 4 3s the the game in Portland

[Sixteen]

All the man needed was minutes and a coach that believed in him. Its hard to get excited about this team with doc as the head coach.

[Sixteen]

At least the blazers are easy to root for

[phifans]

I'm gald Matisse Thybulle and Isiah Joe make Doc and Morey look like idiots. They totally deserve it.

[Embiid P]

Thybulle 2-3 from 3 thus far tonight. Who would have ever thought a simple change of scenery would cause him to become Klay 2.0 overnight? I kid, I kid but still...

[Dnt hate]

Why don't u guys reply to the guy who didn't mention he got 4 steals?

Because we all know he can collect steals, one of the best in the past decade at that. That wasn't enough for him to play for us, and it's also not a sign that he's 'fixing' his game or just needed a change of scenery or whatever to be a complete player.

Healthier to not even worry about it, though, he's off the Sixers and nothing he does from now on has any relevance to the team or our fate.

Thybulle 5/6 from 3 yesterday. He had 4 3s the the game in Portland

Two 3s, 1 stl, 4 blocks and the highest + - on the Blazers

[Lou_23]

I'm gald Matisse Thybulle and Isiah Joe make Doc and Morey look like idiots. They totally deserve it.

Nah, It is all in Doc

[Wilfried]

Because we all know he can collect steals, one of the best in the past decade at that. That wasn't enough for him to play for us, and it's also not a sign that he's 'fixing' his game or just needed a change of scenery or whatever to be a complete player.

Healthier to not even worry about it, though, he's off the Sixers and nothing he does from now on has any relevance to the team or our fate.

Thybulle 5/6 from 3 yesterday. He had 4 3s the the game in Portland

Two 3s, 1 stl, 4 blocks and the highest + - on the Blazers

12 points in 40 minutes is Ben Simmons-like impact on offense (atm 9 points in 30 minutes for Portland, and pretty sure he won't keep on shooting 55% from 3). I'm all for Mattise to succeed and love him but:

- no way he would get a lot of minutes on our team to develop his offense (which will never be decent enough to become a starter on a contender I'm afraid)
- he would be too expensive and would have walked after this season anyway

So please stop crying over spilled milk

[PhillyNj]

One thing the success of Thybulle and Joe has clearly shown is that Doc is a bad coach. He didn’t understand that you have to put your players in a position to succeed. He also didn’t know how to get the most out of your players. It looks like he can only coach all stars.

[Stanford]

I'm sure he still stinks. Negative value if he's not hitting half his threes.

[Mik317]

on one hand I don't think Mattise is going to keep shooting this well


but I also love Doc/Morey slander soooo

[Bum Adebayo]

-0.37 RPM, he is very close to Maxey TBH, -0.37 vs -0.17 is a small gap.

[Murray_17]

People are overreacting to a 6 game sample. He shot 0-6 in one of those games.

He's soon gonna be back to his usual 30% with time

[Zumramania]

He had a really nice game, 12 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 blocks, 1 steal, the biggest +- on the team. He clearly plays with more freedom there. I don't think he will be back to 30% ever more though. I'd bet on something like 37% or even more, who knows.