Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor

[MoMM]

And yesterday, before this was a thing i said nba should send their doctors in Orlando and simply hand him medical retirment papers.Now it's clear that's best case scenario for everybody involved.

His body isn't built for sports. Over last 3 years he was out, he had 3 years of time to revamp and recover, and after several minutes a game, sprinkled through whole week, and days off, he still got hurt again.

In reality, Jonathan Isaac has been hurt in 5 out of 6 different years.

Forum vise, most irritating thing is that people who were pointing out that his body won't hold and that he can't be in long term plans were called haters by same people who claimed he is healthy and could play back in April of 2022. Well.. there you have it.

btw it's in his best interest to retire even if he doesn't want to. He is so fragile that next injury could be one that will harm his goodbeing after he retires. Guy now had ACL tear, hyxperexstended knee injury, hamstring surgery, nkle injury ,adductor injury. All required surgeries. Guy's lower body is falling apart, he is 6'11. Don't be new Shawn Bradley. Life doesn't stop in your 20s, there is plenty of life to live after pro sports.

Yes, he already got plenty of money from this game, better to retire and enjoy life. If he likes basketball that much, he could be a coach or something like this, he has a high bbiq D, so he should be able to teach it.

[pepe1991]

And yesterday, before this was a thing i said nba should send their doctors in Orlando and simply hand him medical retirment papers.Now it's clear that's best case scenario for everybody involved.

His body isn't built for sports. Over last 3 years he was out, he had 3 years of time to revamp and recover, and after several minutes a game, sprinkled through whole week, and days off, he still got hurt again.

In reality, Jonathan Isaac has been hurt in 5 out of 6 different years.

Forum vise, most irritating thing is that people who were pointing out that his body won't hold and that he can't be in long term plans were called haters by same people who claimed he is healthy and could play back in April of 2022. Well.. there you have it.

btw it's in his best interest to retire even if he doesn't want to. He is so fragile that next injury could be one that will harm his goodbeing after he retires. Guy now had ACL tear, hyxperexstended knee injury, hamstring surgery, nkle injury ,adductor injury. All required surgeries. Guy's lower body is falling apart, he is 6'11. Don't be new Shawn Bradley. Life doesn't stop in your 20s, there is plenty of life to live after pro sports.

Yes, he already got plenty of money from this game, better to retire and enjoy life. If he likes basketball that much, he could be a coach or something like this, he has a high bbiq D, so he should be able to teach it.

3 years rehab, limited to 10 mpg, no back to backs, allstar game in between and week off.. Plays 16 min and is hurt after 11 games.

It's just over.

[fendilim]

Most likely he’ll be part of a consolidation move this offseason, IMO.

New injury is unrelated to his previous injury.

His contract was given to him the offseason prior to him being one of the healthiest player of the team and it all went downhill after that. Lol

Guy still has the skills just a matter of whether his body can hold up or not.

Wasn’t really high on him prior to the draft but he developed into a defensive force prior to the injury.

It sucks. One has to wonder what direction WeHam will go next for JI. He was picked during the Vuc-Fournier era, to perhaps plug the hole at SF. Now that era is gone AND JI is injured again, may be time to move on.

But if we decide to keep him and he comes back healthy next season, I wouldnt be surprised if we are able to retain him cheap. I think he’d be one of the biggest bargains by then.

[pepe1991]

Most likely he’ll be part of a consolidation move this offseason, IMO.

New injury is unrelated to his previous injury.

His contract was given to him the offseason prior to him being one of the healthiest player of the team and it all went downhill after that. Lol

Guy still has the skills just a matter of whether his body can hold up or not.

Wasn’t really high on him prior to the draft but he developed into a defensive force prior to the injury.

It sucks. One has to wonder what direction WeHam will go next for JI. He was picked during the Vuc-Fournier era, to perhaps plug the hole at SF. Now that era is gone AND JI is injured again, may be time to move on.

But if we decide to keep him and he comes back healthy next season, I wouldnt be surprised if we are able to retain him cheap. I think he’d be one of the biggest bargains by then.

His contract was given to him the offseason prior to him being one of the healthiest player of the team and it all went downhill after that. Lol

This is factually false.
He was resigned at December 21st of 2020.

He, at that point already suffered ACL tear (August 3rd , 2020) and by that point he played:

2017-18 : 27 out of 82 games
2018-19: 75 out of 82 games
2019-20: 34 out of 73 games

136 out of 237 games. So he hardly played half of aveliable games.

They knew he won't suit up for whole 2020-21.
He didn't also suit up for whole 2021-22, breaking any logical timeline.
He couldn't get ready for start of 2022-23 either.

He played 124 min, separated in 11 different occasations , from january 23rd , 2023 to February 23rd, 2023. And it was too much.


To sum it up, Jonathan Isaac, 6th year player, played 600 min of basketball less than Franz Wagner in year and half.


At what point you will consider this not normal and simply done deal? Fact that you are STILL trying to downplay it as minor, separate incidnet after guy is set to miss 4th year straight, minus 11 games on 10 mpg limit is just crazy talk.
Even if i ignore you called people "haters" two days ago for pointing this out

[dsg2021]

What are we going to do with his 17 mil cap space next season? Literally nothing. In fact if we waived his full cap amount and used it, we probably made a mistake and did a move way too early in the rebuild process.

The injury is unrelated to his history which is a good sign. And now we are looking at what is he worth on the cap sheet the next time a deal is discussed. Because maybe you waive him this summer and use ORL's cap space to resign him for under 10 mil a year, which is way too good of a health project to pass up. The Magic already did it with Fultz and Okeke.

You all can overreact with emotion, but all of that is just the facts to me. If no team out there goes full stupid and offers him 14+ mil a year, we are in the driver's seat to get an insane piece cheap. Banchero is literally a rookie and you don't want to find out Isaac became 70-100% healthy in 3 seasons when Banchero is literally still on a rookie contract. All because you were feeling "frustrated" and "done".

[drsd]

I'm not totally convinced they release him this summer. His salary could be valuable trade filler in the pursuit of someone high priced.

And-1

There is no point to cutting him before Jan. 2024. Orlando will eat his 7M of cap space either way.

[drsd]

What's the recovery time on something like this?.

Dr. Internet says 3-6 weeks, unless it is at the bone, and then it is 10-14 weeks.

So: he should be ready for summer gym work and would be projected to be 100% for opening night of 2023/24.

I am guessing this is a sort of tear that can naturally heal "but if not then surgery". So given the calendar, just do the surgery up front to ensure the healing is completed.

[drsd]

Whether one is a Isaac fan or not, this can really be the only emotional response for Magic fans.

[drsd]

WeHam should be thanking the Gods for drafting Franz and Paolo. Their other picks have been horrible.

17- JI (always injured)
18- bamba ( traded for a nothing)
19- okeke (not that good/always injured
20- cole (eh)

So for your list then:

22 - Houstan
potential bench player

21 - Suggs (looking like six starting level players in this draft (Cunningham/Green/Mobley/Barnes/Giddey/F-Wagner)
but at the time, Suggs at #5 was a no brainer

18 - Frazier
scrub

17 - Iwundu
scrub




So: I cannot fully disagree.


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[drsd]

I had to look up where exactly this is:

[drsd]

Glass half-full thought: Okeke now has some playing time to also be evaluated.

[tiderulz]

Most likely he’ll be part of a consolidation move this offseason, IMO.

New injury is unrelated to his previous injury.

His contract was given to him the offseason prior to him being one of the healthiest player of the team and it all went downhill after that. Lol

Guy still has the skills just a matter of whether his body can hold up or not.

Wasn’t really high on him prior to the draft but he developed into a defensive force prior to the injury.

It sucks. One has to wonder what direction WeHam will go next for JI. He was picked during the Vuc-Fournier era, to perhaps plug the hole at SF. Now that era is gone AND JI is injured again, may be time to move on.

But if we decide to keep him and he comes back healthy next season, I wouldnt be surprised if we are able to retain him cheap. I think he’d be one of the biggest bargains by then.

ehh, i would majorly debate that. he couldnt stay healthy from day 1. only played 27 games his rookie year. played 75 his 2nd, then 34 games his 3rd year. he was not "one of the healthiest players" at all.

[VFX]

What are we going to do with his 17 mil cap space next season? Literally nothing. In fact if we waived his full cap amount and used it, we probably made a mistake and did a move way too early in the rebuild process.

The injury is unrelated to his history which is a good sign. And now we are looking at what is he worth on the cap sheet the next time a deal is discussed. Because maybe you waive him this summer and use ORL's cap space to resign him for under 10 mil a year, which is way too good of a health project to pass up. The Magic already did it with Fultz and Okeke.

You all can overreact with emotion, but all of that is just the facts to me. If no team out there goes full stupid and offers him 14+ mil a year, we are in the driver's seat to get an insane piece cheap. Banchero is literally a rookie and you don't want to find out Isaac became 70-100% healthy in 3 seasons when Banchero is literally still on a rookie contract. All because you were feeling "frustrated" and "done".

I don’t think he should be waived. You’re right, there isn’t anything Orlando is going to do with that cap space.

However, Isaac shouldn’t be factored into any basketball decisions whatsoever. He’s done. You can’t miss as much time as he has and be taken seriously as a reliable player at this juncture.

I don’t think it’s an overreaction at all. His body can’t withstand 10 minute increments and sitting back to backs? How would he string together a full season without getting critically re-injured? Not happening.

Just take the hit and move on when his contract isn’t fully guaranteed. Move him for whatever possible. He can’t be the highest paid player on the team despite being incapable of logging minutes for 4 years straight.

[Magic_Kingdom]

I'm not totally convinced they release him this summer. His salary could be valuable trade filler in the pursuit of someone high priced.

And-1

There is no point to cutting him before Jan. 2024. Orlando will eat his 7M of cap space either way.

There’s no point to having an additional $10 million in cap space this summer?

[I Rasharted]

[Magic_Kingdom]

Most likely he’ll be part of a consolidation move this offseason, IMO.

New injury is unrelated to his previous injury.

His contract was given to him the offseason prior to him being one of the healthiest player of the team and it all went downhill after that. Lol

Guy still has the skills just a matter of whether his body can hold up or not.

Wasn’t really high on him prior to the draft but he developed into a defensive force prior to the injury.

It sucks. One has to wonder what direction WeHam will go next for JI. He was picked during the Vuc-Fournier era, to perhaps plug the hole at SF. Now that era is gone AND JI is injured again, may be time to move on.

But if we decide to keep him and he comes back healthy next season, I wouldnt be surprised if we are able to retain him cheap. I think he’d be one of the biggest bargains by then.

ehh, i would majorly debate that. he couldnt stay healthy from day 1. only played 27 games his rookie year. played 75 his 2nd, then 34 games his 3rd year. he was not "one of the healthiest players" at all.

Correct. He suffered his most serious injury — the ACL tear — before being re—signed, and the first serious knee injury even before that.

[Magic_Kingdom]

no BB Rob to say he is healthy, it's front office that holds him back? lol

That was one of the weirdest repeated takes by various posters on this board over the past 3 years -- claiming the front office was intentionally holding out their highest-paid player for entire seasons, even though he was completely healthy. And the player was ok with that, and his on-court development was not a concern for any of the parties. Ok.

If anything, as much as I hate to say it, the front office and medical staff probably deserve some credit right now. I think we can see why they wouldn't let Isaac back on the court for so long. I don't agree with their decision to keep it from the fans and media like some government secret. But when Welt would say they were "working on JI's core, strength, balance" etc., it was obviously code for an anatomical deficiency that prevents him from even playing limited minutes without hurting himself.

Remember the mysterious surgical hamstring injury -- he hadn't even returned to practice at that point! And now a surgical adductor tear playing 11 mpg with no back to backs, after only 11 games. A serious knee injury in early 2000 led to an extended absence, longer than estimated, and he tore his ACL after only 2 games back, playing 15 mpg in those 2 games.

Welt will never be straight with us, but if you gave him truth serum I'll bet he would say "yeah, we knew this was a likely result, but we were hopeful it would be different."

[MoMM]

And the most important, how can you keep a player that you don't know if he will be available for any of your playoff runs?

BTW, I agree that waving him before January doesn't make many sense, we will have to pay 7M anyway, so perhaps he can be part of a trade to match salaries and then the other team can figure it out what to do with him.

[Skybox]

Might be an interesting piece in a trade where we trade, essentially, a pick(s) for player and need to salary match. Some team might see him as at least a Fultz-level gamble while his contract winds down. He could, potentially, end up the gem of the trade if he makes it back. I’m not saying someone trades for him (it’s primarily the pick), but as far as “expiring filler” goes - there’s a lot of championship upside with a guy like Isaac as a low-risk bonus….if GSW wanted to get off Poole or POR Simons for fiscal reasons/roster fit, and saw a guy the liked in the draft…they could do it with us. IF Isaac played at all, he could really help them…if he doesn’t, still not a bad deal if they got a draft prospect and some incoming fiscal relief.

[pepe1991]

no BB Rob to say he is healthy, it's front office that holds him back? lol

That was one of the weirdest repeated takes by various posters on this board over the past 3 years -- claiming the front office was intentionally holding out their highest-paid player for entire seasons, even though he was completely healthy. And the player was ok with that, and his on-court development was not a concern for any of the parties. Ok.

If anything, as much as I hate to say it, the front office and medical staff probably deserve some credit right now. I think we can see why they wouldn't let Isaac back on the court for so long. I don't agree with their decision to keep it from the fans and media like some government secret. But when Welt would say they were "working on JI's core, strength, balance" etc., it was obviously code for an anatomical deficiency that prevents him from even playing limited minutes without hurting himself.

Remember the mysterious surgical hamstring injury -- he hadn't even returned to practice at that point! And now a surgical adductor tear playing 11 mpg with no back to backs, after only 11 games. A serious knee injury in early 2000 led to an extended absence, longer than estimated, and he tore his ACL after only 2 games back, playing 15 mpg in those 2 games.

Welt will never be straight with us, but if you gave him truth serum I'll bet he would say "yeah, we knew this was a likely result, but we were hopeful it would be different."

Moral of a story: never rush to resign 3rd year players while injuried , bidding against nobody, in situation player can't outplay expetations because he simply- can't play.

We got nothing for back to back 6th overall picks in 2017 and 2018. That type of crap ruined Hawks latest rebuild ( Okonwgu, Cam Reddish) and Magic previous rebuild ( Payton- Hezonja back to back lottery picks, saving grace was okey-ish Gordon pick)