Is Fred VanFleet still on the agenda?

[Def Swami]

i'd be cool with Vleet if we got Trent Jr to come with

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[MasterGMer]

Do I want Kyrie or Harden? Of course, but what are the chances we getting them. FVV is more realistic. Even though he will not be a program changing, he should be solid in his role and elevate us to a playoff contender or even more.

We have to understand the timing here. In 2 or 3 years, when rookie extension comes in, we are going to pay big $$ to Franz and Paolo. We won't have any cap space in that case. Even though with the new Media deal, we could see a higher Salary Cap. But it is out of our control and we can not bank on that.

Sign someone now in the summer and next season we won't be chasing play in anymore. That is a step up. But the goals are always the same, to win a championship!!

[Skin]

until said real star becomes available i'm still cool with this scenario

I'm all for Trent. I think he will retain value throughout his contract. Fred Van Winkle is FA filler. We've spent money when we've had it on bad contracts before and he'll just be another Fournier/Harris/Gordon contract that will help us win, but not contend... before ultimately looking to trade him... hoping that someone will be attracted to his declining contract.

i get it....but at least he's somewhat tangible....instead of hoping on a disgruntled star that may or may not become available because i'm looking around and that star player isn't on the market at this point

You're not gonna find many after the trade deadline and heading into the playoffs. Just wait until they start losing in the playoffs.

[tiderulz]

I'm all for Trent. I think he will retain value throughout his contract. Fred Van Winkle is FA filler. We've spent money when we've had it on bad contracts before and he'll just be another Fournier/Harris/Gordon contract that will help us win, but not contend... before ultimately looking to trade him... hoping that someone will be attracted to his declining contract.

i get it....but at least he's somewhat tangible....instead of hoping on a disgruntled star that may or may not become available because i'm looking around and that star player isn't on the market at this point

You're not gonna find many after the trade deadline and heading into the playoffs. Just wait until they start losing in the playoffs.

they lose in the playoffs, so they want to be traded to a team that didnt even make the playoffs, and one that would have to give up pieces to get them? doesnt make sense

[Skybox]

Kyrie wants $50m a year and has left each franchise in shambles…imo, remove him from any ORL discussion. His game is A++, but he’s possibly the least reliable guy in the league (maybe with Isaac, sadly, for different reasons). I don’t feel much different about Harden.

There’s a “solid-ness” about FVV’s character and his game. Listen to him on podcasts/interviews. He’s got a very healthy chip on his undrafted shoulder and he freely confesses he wants his piece of the pie. But I feel like whoever shows him the love (and $$) will get a dedicated intelligent warrior to lead their troops. Would I rather have FVV a few years younger? Sure, but he’s never been big or super athletic, so skill and wisdom are his game, and that generally improves with experience, so it’s not that frightening. He’s not CP3’s age.

[JoshuaPotter]

Wait so do I want the hot 30 or the younger girl who held a job before but is coasting and probably has potential?

Analogy is getting more confusing by the moment....

[MoMM]

Some people complain about spending 30M on VanFleet, but they are OK with paying 17M to JI...

[RookieStar]

Wait so do I want the hot 30 or the younger girl who held a job before but is coasting and probably has potential?

Analogy is getting more confusing by the moment....

The hot 30 might know some tricks that they younger prettier girl hasn't yet mastered. IFYWIM

[JoshuaPotter]

Wait so do I want the hot 30 or the younger girl who held a job before but is coasting and probably has potential?

Analogy is getting more confusing by the moment....

The hot 30 might know some tricks that they younger prettier girl hasn't yet mastered. IFYWIM

Yeah kinda my point. This kinda makes it sound like FVV is the way to go but the analogy started as to not date a girl just cause she is single.

Man we ran away with this....

[Bakomagic]

Look, we all all want that 23/25 year old superstar instead of FVV but that guy is not available currently. Sure we could wait but would risk wasting years of having PB & Franz playoff experience thus making our team even more attractive to a star looking to jump ship.

Don’t forget Gordon Hayward and Al Horford contributing to getting young Jaylen Brown and Tatum into the playoffs and (imo) speeding up their development.

Best case imo is we sign some really good vets with strategic back end team options as a bridge for PB & Franz to develop into stars while being ready to bring in the perfect combination of 3rd star/role players when they are ready to compete 3,4 years from now!

[eyriq]

FVV would be somewhat analogous to our Otis era Reshard Lewis acquisition, on a barely accelerated timeline. Howard was 22 and Hedo/Lewis were 28.

[fendilim]

FVV would be somewhat analogous to our Otis era Reshard Lewis acquisition, on a barely accelerated timeline. Howard was 22 and Hedo/Lewis were 28.

True. But any of our core have dwight howard potential?

[Bakomagic]

Naw, we’d still have capspace opportunities after a FVV signing plus 5….. extra future draft picks to play around with.

RawLew was a final piece type move (almost worked too) FVV wouldn’t have to be as there would be plenty of flexibility available.

[fendilim]

I believe the final piece here is a consolidation move.

Signing FVV will only lower the value of our PGs even more because of the surplus. And other teams will take advantage of the situation knowing we have to move some of those players because we signed FVV (if it happens).

[BCS]

Look, we all all want that 23/25 year old superstar instead of FVV but that guy is not available currently. Sure we could wait but would risk wasting years of having PB & Franz playoff experience thus making our team even more attractive to a star looking to jump ship.

Don’t forget Gordon Hayward and Al Horford contributing to getting young Jaylen Brown and Tatum into the playoffs and (imo) speeding up their development.

Best case imo is we sign some really good vets with strategic back end team options as a bridge for PB & Franz to develop into stars while being ready to bring in the perfect combination of 3rd star/role players when they are ready to compete 3,4 years from now!

We are making the playoffs next year regardless of FVV, just by running it back. I am not a fan of signing FVV at $30 mil but at the same time I am also not thinking about it as I need to see how the draft goes first. For example, we draft Scoot, then I am not paying FVV.

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[fendilim]

Look, we all all want that 23/25 year old superstar instead of FVV but that guy is not available currently. Sure we could wait but would risk wasting years of having PB & Franz playoff experience thus making our team even more attractive to a star looking to jump ship.

Don’t forget Gordon Hayward and Al Horford contributing to getting young Jaylen Brown and Tatum into the playoffs and (imo) speeding up their development.

Best case imo is we sign some really good vets with strategic back end team options as a bridge for PB & Franz to develop into stars while being ready to bring in the perfect combination of 3rd star/role players when they are ready to compete 3,4 years from now!

We are making the playoffs next year regardless of FVV, just by running it back. I am not a fan of signing FVV at $30 mil but at the same time I am also not thinking about it as I need to see how the draft goes first. For example, we draft Scoot, then I am not paying FVV.

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Agreed.

Also, we already know what FVV is. He isnt good enough to be 1st option on a winning team. Maybe 2nd or 3rd option. Are you still willing to tie up that much money and sacrifice roster flexibility for him?

I think I’d rather wait and see if we can land Scoot or Nick Smith before thinking about FVV, imp. J

[eyriq]

FVV would be somewhat analogous to our Otis era Reshard Lewis acquisition, on a barely accelerated timeline. Howard was 22 and Hedo/Lewis were 28.

True. But any of our core have dwight howard potential?

I think Paolo is. And Franz is better than Hedo, Nelson, Lewis, etc

[Bakomagic]

FVV would be somewhat analogous to our Otis era Reshard Lewis acquisition, on a barely accelerated timeline. Howard was 22 and Hedo/Lewis were 28.

True. But any of our core have dwight howard potential?

Dwight was a two way monster who was definitely a game changer defensively and always underrated offensively. People would talk so much trash about his “offensive game” but we ran our entire offense through him.

That being said, Paolo has potential to be a better offensive hub than Dwight for sure. He is more of a versatile weapon and is already having defenses throw double teams at him when he catches the ball in the mid post. Also, He is getting better finding the open man and creating for others. I can see him getting up to 7-8ast in his prime.

[fendilim]

FVV would be somewhat analogous to our Otis era Reshard Lewis acquisition, on a barely accelerated timeline. Howard was 22 and Hedo/Lewis were 28.

True. But any of our core have dwight howard potential?

I think Paolo is. And Franz is better than Hedo, Nelson, Lewis, etc

Well, it is subjective.

For me, I’m not sure if P5 has the potential to be a top 5 player in the league.

Especially if his shooting from 3 doesn’t improve.

Not to mention, Paolo is like what, 1-2 years away from D12’s age when we signed Rashard.

[fendilim]

FVV would be somewhat analogous to our Otis era Reshard Lewis acquisition, on a barely accelerated timeline. Howard was 22 and Hedo/Lewis were 28.

True. But any of our core have dwight howard potential?

Dwight was a two way monster who was definitely a game changer defensively and always underrated offensively. People would talk so much trash about his “offensive game” but we ran our entire offense through him.

That being said, Paolo has potential to be a better offensive hub than Dwight for sure. He is of course more of a versatile weapon and is already having defenses throw double teams at him when he catches the ball in the mid post. He is getting better finding the open man and creating for others in general I can see him getting up to 7-8ast in his prime.

He can be a really good offensive player, but a player like d12 dominated on both ends. Compensating for whatever losses we incurred by having rashard on our payroll. Im not sure if Paolo can be that.