What a waste - Warning I'm in my feelings

[eyeatoma]

That Jeremi Grant trade got us the pick that we used to draft Tyrese Maxey.

And the Markelle Fultz trade got us the pick that we used to draft Tyrese Maxey.

Still weird that both of these are true.

And Doc is trying to actively **** up Maxey.

[MoeGreene]

How can't you know? This team is built to be losing in the 1st or 2nd round indefinitely.

The Owner is careless
The GM(s) are worthless
The Coach can't coach
The Players are mismatched and look lost on the court.

.

I dont know whats with the doom and gloom outlook.

[GoSixersBro]

Biggest mistake obviously was Fultz instead of Tatum. You add Tatum to the current roster and this is your NBA champion.

Pertaining to the original post here, Embiid is in a quandary with regard to asking for a trade, because I'm sure he knows he can't be traded unless the Sixers get in return precisely the player on the other team involved in the trade that Embiid requires to win a championship. So any trade involving Embiid will be no more than a lateral move, in terms of his ability to win a championship.

The Tatum thing doesn't bug me because not only were no Sixer fans clamoring for him to be the pick, nobody around the league was even hyping Tatum pre-draft. He just seemed like a high-floor, questionable ceiling "safe pick".

[Bum Adebayo]

Tatum is my bigest miss, I didn't like his 3pt mechanics I remember, now he is the best player in the league, amazing stuff.

[Murray_17]

The Tatum thing doesn't bug me because not only were no Sixer fans clamoring for him to be the pick, nobody around the league was even hyping Tatum pre-draft. He just seemed like a high-floor, questionable ceiling "safe pick".

Even if you don't pick Tatum, Fultz was getting flagged in all the workouts he did previous to the draft and it looked like every team got suspicious about his crew and issues. We picked him just out of stubbornness after moving up in the draft.

If you wanted a PG, Fox still was there

[Mik317]

i don't get butthurt over Tatum.

for one Boston doesn't make that trade if they thought we'd take Tatum. secondly tatum was like the 3rd-4th option on most people's boards around here. Fox and Jackson were higher on most people's board sans Negrodamus

so that is peak revisitionism.

Fultz wa supposed to be what Harden is for the team right now, Ben was supposed to be the perfect 4 man next to Biid, athletic, can handle, and ideally eventually at least be a corner 3 guy. I got the vision there.

Jah is really the only pick I couldn;t justify. I even understood the Zhaire thingy (i wanted SGA but IIRC he wanted LA) as the idea was sound.

Those are all moves that were gambles that didn't pay off. Embiid himself was a gamble too.

The issue with this franchise is that they either doubled down on or stuck with their misses too long or the opposite...we also just tossed away a lot of seconds and rushed to contention too soon IMO...it all just added up.

[76ciology]

If you would go back to the discussions with the 2017 draft. Most of us want Josh Jackson here.

Biggest surprise for me was Tatum becoming an elite 3pt shooter from day 1. Even Doncic is not that good, so are the recent #1 picks like Edwards, Cade and Paolo.

But if i would be given a chance, I’d pick Fultz over Tatum over again. A HEALTHY Fultz is the ALPHA predator in today’s game.. multi positional defender, 3 level scorer, potential to be an elite PnR player and elite ISO player.

And team needs wise, he makes the most sense. He is what Jimmy was and what James is.

Your team wont go anywhere with Tatum. Hell, he’d probably ask to be traded if we just keep running a James-Biid PnR. Biid and Tatum overlaps on offense and you can’t make both guys work unless Tatum slides into more of a floor spacer which wont max his talent.

[76ciology]

How can't you know? This team is built to be losing in the 1st or 2nd round indefinitely.

The Owner is careless
The GM(s) are worthless
The Coach can't coach
The Players are mismatched and look lost on the court.

.

I dont know whats with the doom and gloom outlook.

How? Because we have a better owner, better coach and better talent than most teams.

It’s very unrealistic what you guys want.

Are you guys expecting the dream team to play for the Sixers? We need to even pay Al $35M and Tucker $10M just to play for us. We probably has the highest payroll with our FO. And our owner did EVERYTHING to make sure we have the most talented team almost every year we’re in the playoffs.

Sometimes you guys should watch and follow other teams. Try the Pacers, the Hawks or the Hornets, and try to be in the shoes of fans of perpetual mediocre teams.

The fact is that most people are biased to see..

We messed up that 2013 draft that could probably have won us atleast 2 rings already.

Investing in Ben that messed up everything. We should have cut our losses as early as 2018 when he was exposed. Im always been a Ben critic since before a sixer.

Winning around Biid is hard but is possible.

But despite all that, we need to do our best with the cards dealt with us.

[MoeGreene]

I hear you, I do. Those are all solid facts, especially on the misses.

Here is the thing. Do you expect this group of front office and coach to improve? I don't.

The players, I don't fault as they are doing their job to the best of the abilities.

How can't you know? This team is built to be losing in the 1st or 2nd round indefinitely.

The Owner is careless
The GM(s) are worthless
The Coach can't coach
The Players are mismatched and look lost on the court.

.

I dont know whats with the doom and gloom outlook.

How? Because we have a better owner, better coach and better talent than most teams.

It’s very unrealistic what you guys want.

Are you guys expecting the dream team to play for the Sixers? We need to even pay Al $35M and Tucker $10M just to play for us. We probably has the highest payroll with our FO. And our owner did EVERYTHING to make sure we have the most talented team almost every year we’re in the playoffs.

Sometimes you guys should watch and follow other teams. Try the Pacers, the Hawks or the Hornets, and try to be in the shoes of fans of perpetual mediocre teams.

The fact is that most people are biased to see..

We messed up that 2013 draft that could probably have won us atleast 2 rings already.

Investing in Ben that messed up everything. We should have cut our losses as early as 2018 when he was exposed. Im always been a Ben critic since before a sixer.

Winning around Biid is hard but is possible.

But despite all that, we need to do our best with the cards dealt with us.

[MoeGreene]

If we are reimagining picks, it was Brandon Ingram over Ben. I remember saying, pick the guy who can shoot, since you know, its basketball.

Tatum, well, I can't say anything about that. I liked the idea of Fultz. : /

Though, if you can get Boston interested in a trade of something for Brown, that'd be cool.

If you would go back to the discussions with the 2017 draft. Most of us want Josh Jackson here.

Biggest surprise for me was Tatum becoming an elite 3pt shooter from day 1. Even Doncic is not that good, so are the recent #1 picks like Edwards, Cade and Paolo.

But if i would be given a chance, I’d pick Fultz over Tatum over again. A HEALTHY Fultz is the ALPHA predator in today’s game.. multi positional defender, 3 level scorer, potential to be an elite PnR player and elite ISO player.

And team needs wise, he makes the most sense. He is what Jimmy was and what James is.

Your team wont go anywhere with Tatum. Hell, he’d probably ask to be traded if we just keep running a James-Biid PnR. Biid and Tatum overlaps on offense and you can’t make both guys work unless Tatum slides into more of a floor spacer which wont max his talent.

[Jhawk03]

I wanted either Josh Jackson or Tatum with the 3rd pick in 2017 and I was 50-50 on that. My memory of 2017 is like this

It seemed as though once the Celtics won the lottery they instantly traded down... to the Sixers. I can't remember any time in NBA history that the period between the actual lottery results to draft night... that a number one pick was traded so quickly. That bothered me, but I figured everyone knew Fultz was worth it so I stopped paying attention.

[Negrodamus]

I wanted either Josh Jackson or Tatum with the 3rd pick in 2017 and I was 50-50 on that. My memory of 2017 is like this

It seemed as though once the Celtics won the lottery they instantly traded down... to the Sixers. I can't remember any time in NBA history that the period between the actual lottery results to draft night... that a number one pick was traded so quickly. That bothered me, but I figured everyone knew Fultz was worth it so I stopped paying attention.

Celtics had the first for a month because I remember having a month of hope that the Sixers were going to be forced to do the right thing in the draft for the first time since picking Embiid by selecting Tatum. I’m pretty sure we made the trade before even working Fultz out. Once the trade happened, he came over and had a terrible workout IIRC. Classic Bryan!

[Kobblehead]

But if i would be given a chance, I’d pick Fultz over Tatum over again. A HEALTHY Fultz is the ALPHA predator in today’s game.. multi positional defender, 3 level scorer, potential to be an elite PnR player and elite ISO player.

I didn't like Fultz that year. However, going back and re-evaluating Fultz on paper, he'd be the #1 guy on my draft board if I was treating it like a brand new class. He should have been Dwyane Wade with a jumper.

It's terrible that he didn't pan out. I feel like he would have panned out and been a hall of famer in 8 of 10 outcomes.

[Kobblehead]

Biggest surprise for me was Tatum becoming an elite 3pt shooter from day 1.

I agree that Tatum being instant elite shooting was hard to predict unless you had utmost faith in the free throw percentage (which might be the way to go, honestly).

December: 1 made three per game at 30% shooting
January: 1 made three per game at 28.6% shooting
February: 2.2 made threes per game at 41.9% shooting
March: 1.1 made threes per game at 30.8% shooting

^ No real indicator that he would be a plug and play shooter in Day 1 in the NBA unless you went off his elite free throw percentages (84.9%).

[Negrodamus]

Since Fultz, I have a hard time liking prospects on losing teams. He was also a 65% FT shooter iirc. Was constantly burned on defense. I don’t think he was even really elite at the rim. All of those reasons gave me massive pause that he was worthy of the first pick. Definitely thought he was top 5, particularly because he was the best passer from a primary ballhandler in the draft by a large margin.

[Kobblehead]

Since Fultz, I have a hard time liking prospects on losing teams. He was also a 65% FT shooter iirc. Was constantly burned on defense. I don’t think he was even really elite at the rim. All of those reasons gave me massive pause that he was worthy of the first pick. Definitely thought he was top 5, particularly because he was the best passer from a primary ballhandler in the draft by a large margin.

So the Sixers would eventually go on to burn 2 first round picks on two separate starters from a 9-22 Pac12 team lol.

[rzzzzz]

Broken record here, but the Fultz who played against Tatum and Brown in that singular SL game was the right pick. Had the look of an all star pg (even if the organization officially had to promote him as a SG to protect the tender feelings of Ben Magic Simmons.) After the miraculous 2nd operation that Sam coordinated to fix a hobbled giant, something that almost never goes right, we lose a fantastic pg talent to an injury that most assuredly will never be revealed. (Yeah, we lose track of him prior to camp and the “friend of the family” who trained him had him shooting shots lying on his back? Right.) All credit to Danny who returned the favor of almost getting fleeced by Sam with a Jahlil-Brown trade, thank you Jerry C, by making the right read on Tatum. Though he was enamored with Jackson as much as anybody, and was saved yet again, by Jackson himself who was DHead enough to inform him that he changed his mind and refused to work out for the Celtics while Danny and staff were in the air, en route.

But hell man, we got Embiid, Harden and Maxey. Surround them with a solid roster and give them the right coach and we’re good.

[mjkvol]

i don't get butthurt over Tatum.

for one Boston doesn't make that trade if they thought we'd take Tatum. secondly tatum was like the 3rd-4th option on most people's boards around here. Fox and Jackson were higher on most people's board sans Negrodamus

so that is peak revisitionism.

Fultz wa supposed to be what Harden is for the team right now, Ben was supposed to be the perfect 4 man next to Biid, athletic, can handle, and ideally eventually at least be a corner 3 guy. I got the vision there.

Jah is really the only pick I couldn;t justify. I even understood the Zhaire thingy (i wanted SGA but IIRC he wanted LA) as the idea was sound.

Those are all moves that were gambles that didn't pay off. Embiid himself was a gamble too.

The issue with this franchise is that they either doubled down on or stuck with their misses too long or the opposite...we also just tossed away a lot of seconds and rushed to contention too soon IMO...it all just added up.

Agree completely on Tatum - he was never going to be the pick here regardless of Boston, and crying over it is classic revisionist history.

Agree on Jah, just a brutal pick, even at the time.

Disagree on trading Bridges - trading an NBA ready player at a position of need is never a good idea, but doing it for a project and a prayer for a rule change was managerial incompetence.

[Embiid P]

i don't get butthurt over Tatum.

for one Boston doesn't make that trade if they thought we'd take Tatum. secondly tatum was like the 3rd-4th option on most people's boards around here. Fox and Jackson were higher on most people's board sans Negrodamus

so that is peak revisitionism.

Fultz wa supposed to be what Harden is for the team right now, Ben was supposed to be the perfect 4 man next to Biid, athletic, can handle, and ideally eventually at least be a corner 3 guy. I got the vision there.

Jah is really the only pick I couldn;t justify. I even understood the Zhaire thingy (i wanted SGA but IIRC he wanted LA) as the idea was sound.

Those are all moves that were gambles that didn't pay off. Embiid himself was a gamble too.

The issue with this franchise is that they either doubled down on or stuck with their misses too long or the opposite...we also just tossed away a lot of seconds and rushed to contention too soon IMO...it all just added up.

Agree completely on Tatum - he was never going to be the pick here regardless of Boston, and crying over it is classic revisionist history.

Agree on Jah, just a brutal pick, even at the time.

Disagree on trading Bridges - trading an NBA ready player at a position of need is never a good idea, but doing it for a project and a prayer for a rule change was managerial incompetence.

Jah was easily Hinkie's worst pick as GM, but I understood it at the time because that was when Embiid suffered a setback in his recovery and needed a second surgery on his foot so it was uncertain as to whether he would ever play for us. The owners and casuals/anti-Process people wanted a player that could contribute immediately given that neither Embiid or Saric would be available to play that season and Jah was that guy given all of his college accolades. That was really the first time that Hinkie caved into pressure from the public and ownership and it likely contributed to his resignation the following year.

What rule change was that exactly? The proposed rule that players needed to be at least two years removed from high school to be eligible for the draft?

The Bridges trade was brought up on The Best Show Ever last week and one of them mentioned that the main reason why the Sixers traded Bridges was to acquire Miami's unprotected pick that Phoenix owned in order to use it in a potential deal for Kawhi which obviously never materialized presumably because the Sixers didn't want to give up a ton of assets for a guy that was likely going to be a one year rental.

Since they didn't need it to acquire Butler, they used it to acquire Tobias who despite being an inferior player to both Leonard and Butler was all but guaranteed to stick around long term. So while none of these moves panned out in hindsight, I understand the logic from a Sixers standpoint.

[mjkvol]

Jah was easily Hinkie's worst pick as GM, but I understood it at the time because that was when Embiid suffered a setback in his recovery and needed a second surgery on his foot so it was uncertain as to whether he would ever play for us. The owners and casuals/anti-Process people wanted a player that could contribute immediately given that neither Embiid or Saric would be available to play that season and Jah was that guy given all of his college accolades. That was really the first time that Hinkie caved into pressure from the public and ownership and it likely contributed to his resignation the following year.

What rule change was that exactly? The proposed rule that players needed to be at least two years removed from high school to be eligible for the draft?

The Bridges trade was brought up on The Best Show Ever last week and one of them mentioned that the main reason why the Sixers traded Bridges was to acquire Miami's unprotected pick that Phoenix owned in order to use it in a potential deal for Kawhi which obviously never materialized presumably because the Sixers didn't want to give up a ton of assets for a guy that was likely going to be a one year rental.

Since they didn't need it to acquire Butler, they used it to acquire Tobias who despite being an inferior player to both Leonard and Butler was all but guaranteed to stick around long term. So while none of these moves panned out in hindsight, I understand the logic from a Sixers standpoint.

This organization has tripped over itself overthinking every move since the Silver sabotage in an effort to 'win now', and that's the reason we are stuck with a 2nd round exit level team with no more bullets to fire. Okafor was an awful pick in every way, a kid that had no business being a top 3 or even a top 10 pick. He was the classic college big whose limited game would never get him beyond being a backup big in the NBA - it was clear as day, but probably because it was at Duke his profile was elevated.

The Bridges trade was made because of an allegedly proposed rule allowing kids to enter the NBA out of high school again, which would have made a mid-1st pick that much more valuable. Regardless of the what-if scenarios, that trade will never make any sense to me.

I've always wondered what might have developed here if the Sixers, instead of chasing their tail over and over again, had simply made solid, sound picks, allowed the young players to gel together, and plugged in depth with FA signings. Might this be a Celtics type situation now as a title contender led by homegrown talent and smart trades and signings with a wide open window?