Is Fred VanFleet still on the agenda?

[ogmagicfan]

Look, we all all want that 23/25 year old superstar instead of FVV but that guy is not available currently. Sure we could wait but would risk wasting years of having PB & Franz playoff experience thus making our team even more attractive to a star looking to jump ship.

Don’t forget Gordon Hayward and Al Horford contributing to getting young Jaylen Brown and Tatum into the playoffs and (imo) speeding up their development.

Best case imo is we sign some really good vets with strategic back end team options as a bridge for PB & Franz to develop into stars while being ready to bring in the perfect combination of 3rd star/role players when they are ready to compete 3,4 years from now!

We are making the playoffs next year regardless of FVV, just by running it back. I am not a fan of signing FVV at $30 mil but at the same time I am also not thinking about it as I need to see how the draft goes first. For example, we draft Scoot, then I am not paying FVV.

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Agreed.

Also, we already know what FVV is. He isnt good enough to be 1st option on a winning team. Maybe 2nd or 3rd option. Are you still willing to tie up that much money and sacrifice roster flexibility for him?

I think I’d rather wait and see if we can land Scoot or Nick Smith before thinking about FVV, imp. J

30-35 Million in the NBA nowaday is not close to what 30-35 mil was 10 or even 5 years ago. Max contracts are 60+ million. We still have tremendous flexibilities with a bunch of young assets and all our draft picks/other teams picks

FVV would be a movable player if we wanted to trade him into his contract, he's very comparable to Kyle Lowry. That contract is going to be viewed as even less than what it is now when you take into account the new barganing agreement and increased revenue over the next years. Front load the contract then boom

If we end up drafting a top guard, I'd still be behind signing FVV to provide guidance to the young guys and production as rookies & some sophomores aren't generally good players, Jalen Green is still struggling to be a plus player but clearly we know the promise is there.

I'd want to give Paolo & Franz opportunities to be put in the playoffs outright (non-play-in) next season and help with their development & experience and onwards rather than depending on rookies in the backcourt to carry that burden

We still have to use this cap money. Also we never know how Scoot or Nick Smith will turn out, even though I'm very high on both of them

[Bakomagic]

Look, we all all want that 23/25 year old superstar instead of FVV but that guy is not available currently. Sure we could wait but would risk wasting years of having PB & Franz playoff experience thus making our team even more attractive to a star looking to jump ship.

Don’t forget Gordon Hayward and Al Horford contributing to getting young Jaylen Brown and Tatum into the playoffs and (imo) speeding up their development.

Best case imo is we sign some really good vets with strategic back end team options as a bridge for PB & Franz to develop into stars while being ready to bring in the perfect combination of 3rd star/role players when they are ready to compete 3,4 years from now!

We are making the playoffs next year regardless of FVV, just by running it back. I am not a fan of signing FVV at $30 mil but at the same time I am also not thinking about it as I need to see how the draft goes first. For example, we draft Scoot, then I am not paying FVV.

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I like your optimism! I too believe we should make the playoffs but it will be close enough that if we have any injurie problems we’d be at risk of missing… perhaps bringing in FVV can be some injury insurance, since he can shoulder a bigger offensive load temporarily if we sustain a couple month long injury to Franz, Paolo?

I agree on Scoot, there are some players that change your plans and timeline and he could likely be that, especially since he plays the same position as FVV.

Of course he will have an adjustment period on the NBA but He may be a little more “ready” to start since he’s played professionally for two years.

[ogmagicfan]

FVV would be somewhat analogous to our Otis era Reshard Lewis acquisition, on a barely accelerated timeline. Howard was 22 and Hedo/Lewis were 28.

True. But any of our core have dwight howard potential?

Dwight was a two way monster who was definitely a game changer defensively and always underrated offensively. People would talk so much trash about his “offensive game” but we ran our entire offense through him.

That being said, Paolo has potential to be a better offensive hub than Dwight for sure. He is more of a versatile weapon and is already having defenses throw double teams at him when he catches the ball in the mid post. Also, He is getting better finding the open man and creating for others. I can see him getting up to 7-8ast in his prime.

Dwight was absolutely better on offense than fans ever wanted to give credit. He had a fairly versatile back to the basket game, hitting hook shots with both hands with ease, and like you said our offense was ran thru him

Paolo does have the potential to be better offensively, and if he can grow specifically in his shooting and passing game, he can be cut in the same cloth as players like Luka, Harden, Lebron etc who fill the stat sheet in all categories offensively with ease

[fendilim]

We are making the playoffs next year regardless of FVV, just by running it back. I am not a fan of signing FVV at $30 mil but at the same time I am also not thinking about it as I need to see how the draft goes first. For example, we draft Scoot, then I am not paying FVV.

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Agreed.

Also, we already know what FVV is. He isnt good enough to be 1st option on a winning team. Maybe 2nd or 3rd option. Are you still willing to tie up that much money and sacrifice roster flexibility for him?

I think I’d rather wait and see if we can land Scoot or Nick Smith before thinking about FVV, imp. J

30-35 Million in the NBA nowaday is not close to what 30-35 mil was 10 or even 5 years ago. Max contracts are 60+ million. We still have tremendous flexibilities with a bunch of young assets and all our draft picks/other teams picks

FVV would be a movable player if we wanted to trade him into his contract, he's very comparable to Kyle Lowry.

If we end up drafting a top guard, I'd still be behind signing FVV to provide guidance to the young guys and production as rookies & some sophomores aren't generally good players, Jalen Green is still struggling to be a plus player but clearly we know the promise is there.

I'd want to give Paolo & Franz opportunities to be put in the playoffs outright (non-play-in) next season and help with their development & experience and onwards rather than depending on rookies in the backcourt to carry that burden

We still have to use this cap money. Also we never know how Scoot or Nick Smith will turn out, even though I'm very high on both of them

30-35million is nothing indeed. But having fvv doesnt guarantee a playoff spot. Maybe a play-in. And as you said, non play-in.

He is playing for a much experienced team and equally talented team than ours and they are simply a play-in team.

Bringing in fvv not only hampers our cap flexibility but also lowers the value of our other guards because having a surplus of players in the same position isn’t exactly managing our assets well and other teams will pounce on that.

[ogmagicfan]

Agreed.

Also, we already know what FVV is. He isnt good enough to be 1st option on a winning team. Maybe 2nd or 3rd option. Are you still willing to tie up that much money and sacrifice roster flexibility for him?

I think I’d rather wait and see if we can land Scoot or Nick Smith before thinking about FVV, imp. J

30-35 Million in the NBA nowaday is not close to what 30-35 mil was 10 or even 5 years ago. Max contracts are 60+ million. We still have tremendous flexibilities with a bunch of young assets and all our draft picks/other teams picks

FVV would be a movable player if we wanted to trade him into his contract, he's very comparable to Kyle Lowry.

If we end up drafting a top guard, I'd still be behind signing FVV to provide guidance to the young guys and production as rookies & some sophomores aren't generally good players, Jalen Green is still struggling to be a plus player but clearly we know the promise is there.

I'd want to give Paolo & Franz opportunities to be put in the playoffs outright (non-play-in) next season and help with their development & experience and onwards rather than depending on rookies in the backcourt to carry that burden

We still have to use this cap money. Also we never know how Scoot or Nick Smith will turn out, even though I'm very high on both of them

30-35million is nothing indeed. But having fvv doesnt guarantee a playoff spot. Maybe a play-in. And as you said, non play-in.

He is playing for a much experienced team and equally talented team than ours and they are simply a play-in team.

Bringing in fvv not only hampers our cap flexibility but also lowers the value of our other guards because having a surplus of players in the same position isn’t exactly managing our assets well and other teams will pounce on that.

If we aren't a playoff/non play-in playoff team next year it'll be bcuz Paolo & Franz didnt take the next leap forward. I'd love to make a bid on a player whose a top 25-30 player who would potentially leave their team in free agency, but there are none. We're working with the cards we're dealt.

The Raps as a team dont fit well together, and have one of the worst benches in the league.

FVV wouldnt lessen value of our guards and that shouldn't hold the Magic from using their cap space on holding onto the "value" of one of the worst backcourts in the league

If we get FVV, I'd expect Fultz to be released, Cole Anthony to be potentially shopped around depending on if we draft 1 or 2 guards, & Suggs to stay. Simple enough

[eyriq]

True. But any of our core have dwight howard potential?

I think Paolo is. And Franz is better than Hedo, Nelson, Lewis, etc

Well, it is subjective.

For me, I’m not sure if P5 has the potential to be a top 5 player in the league.

Especially if his shooting from 3 doesn’t improve.

Not to mention, Paolo is like what, 1-2 years away from D12’s age when we signed Rashard.

Yeah, subjective for sure. I have Paolo as the games best wing in his prime. Because... Size, skill, fta, etc etc

[Knightro]

FVV today: 25 PTS, 4 REB, 10 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 0 TOV, 9-16 FG, 6-11 3PT, 1-1 FT in an OT win.

The last Magic guard to put up 25 PTS, 10 AST, 0 TOV in a game was Darrell Armstrong in 2001

[AaronB]

FVV today: 25 PTS, 4 REB, 10 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 0 TOV, 9-16 FG, 6-11 3PT, 1-1 FT in an OT win.

The last Magic guard to put up 25 PTS, 10 AST, 0 TOV in a game was Darrell Armstrong in 2001

FVV is an elite 6th man. When he is good, he is really good. When he is bad it is uglier than any current guard on the Magic.

[MasterGMer]

I was going to post "James Harden in the summer" a minute ago. But decided not to. Instead I kept this in this thread. lol

James Harden is on fire tonight against Bucks. 38 points and almost a triple double. Sensational performance

[Knightro]

I was going to post "James Harden in the summer" a minute ago. But decided not to. Instead I kept this in this thread. lol

James Harden is on fire tonight against Bucks. 38 points and almost a triple double. Sensational performance

Don't get me wrong, Harden and Irving are both absolutely awesome players.

I just don't think either one of them would consider Orlando. Even if the Magic were offering them the most money.

[MasterGMer]

I was going to post "James Harden in the summer" a minute ago. But decided not to. Instead I kept this in this thread. lol

James Harden is on fire tonight against Bucks. 38 points and almost a triple double. Sensational performance

Don't get me wrong, Harden and Irving are both absolutely awesome players.

I just don't think either one of them would consider Orlando. Even if the Magic were offering them the most money.

That is why we have to make the playoff and sell them that we are the upcoming team in the NBA.

The whole reason between this Houston and Harden stuff is all based on how promising Houston's Young players are. If they are garbage without a future, there is no way Harden's gonna choose Houston to finish his career.

If we can win here in Orlando plus the money, why not?

[Knightro]

That is why we have to make the playoff and sell them that we are the upcoming team in the NBA.

The whole reason between this Houston and Harden stuff is all based on how promising Houston's Young players are. If they are garbage without a future, there is no way Harden's gonna choose Houston to finish his career.

If we can win here in Orlando plus the money, why not?

Meh. I think Harden’s heart may just be fond of Houston as a city and ultimately he just wants to live there full time again above all else. The stuff about their young guys seems more like window dressing to me.

Different players have different priorities at different stages of their careers. I don’t think every player is looking for the best opportunity to win necessarily.

[cedric76]

No Thx, too small, too old

[I Rasharted]

I don't want van Vleet and i want Fultz traded.

I want Suggs as starter guard 36 min a night,ball in his hands and in Banchero ones all the time.

[Bergmaniac]

FVV today: 25 PTS, 4 REB, 10 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 0 TOV, 9-16 FG, 6-11 3PT, 1-1 FT in an OT win.

The last Magic guard to put up 25 PTS, 10 AST, 0 TOV in a game was Darrell Armstrong in 2001

I watched the 4th quarter and OT of this game. VanVleet was fantastic defensively. The Wizards kept forcing switches where he had to defend Beal and he forced Beal into a miss on a tough shot or a turnover almost every time.

[tiderulz]

FVV today: 25 PTS, 4 REB, 10 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 0 TOV, 9-16 FG, 6-11 3PT, 1-1 FT in an OT win.

The last Magic guard to put up 25 PTS, 10 AST, 0 TOV in a game was Darrell Armstrong in 2001

FVV is an elite 6th man. When he is good, he is really good. When he is bad it is uglier than any current guard on the Magic.

umm, ive seen some ugly games from Cole, Suggs and Fultz. i could say it would be "as ugly" as any current guard on the Magic

[tiderulz]

That is why we have to make the playoff and sell them that we are the upcoming team in the NBA.

The whole reason between this Houston and Harden stuff is all based on how promising Houston's Young players are. If they are garbage without a future, there is no way Harden's gonna choose Houston to finish his career.

If we can win here in Orlando plus the money, why not?

Meh. I think Harden’s heart may just be fond of Houston as a city and ultimately he just wants to live there full time again above all else. The stuff about their young guys seems more like window dressing to me.

Different players have different priorities at different stages of their careers. I don’t think every player is looking for the best opportunity to win necessarily.

didnt he spend $1million at a strip club in Houston?

[tiderulz]

No Thx, too small, too old

29 is too old? lets start suiting up those middle schoolers.

[drsd]

Kyrie wants $50m a year and has left each franchise in shambles…imo, remove him from any ORL discussion. His game is A++, but he’s possibly the least reliable guy in the league (maybe with Isaac, sadly, for different reasons). I don’t feel much different about Harden.

There’s a “solid-ness” about FVV’s character and his game. Listen to him on podcasts/interviews. He’s got a very healthy chip on his undrafted shoulder and he freely confesses he wants his piece of the pie. But I feel like whoever shows him the love (and $$) will get a dedicated intelligent warrior to lead their troops. Would I rather have FVV a few years younger? Sure, but he’s never been big or super athletic, so skill and wisdom are his game, and that generally improves with experience, so it’s not that frightening. He’s not CP3’s age.

And-1

Look: I am luke warm about the prospects of VanVleet in Magic blue, but his moral character and capacity to teach winning to the Magic youngins is worth a lot.


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[cedric76]

No Thx, too small, too old

29 is too old? lets start suiting up those middle schoolers.

PG built like him don't age well, offering him a 4 yrs contract would look very very ugly in a few yrs