The Race To The Bottom - theBigLip Tank Machine

[NYPiston]

Looks like we're shutting down Bojan for the remainder of the season, for his health, or the tank, or whatever.

Who knows if he's really injured but this is even more reason why it was mistake not to sell high on him and get a 1st rounder out of it.
I like Bojan but he really doesn't effect winning on a team like this where he's one of the go to options and he's now a 34 year old with an injury. Weaver missed the boat on selling high on him.

As far as the tank is concerned, I think this is a neutral move. Guys like Omoruyi and Livers don't score as much but they also defend better so it's pretty a saw off in terms of team effect IMO.

[Pharaoh]

Looks like we're shutting down Bojan for the remainder of the season, for his health, or the tank, or whatever.

Who knows if he's really injured but this is even more reason why it was mistake not to sell high on him and get a 1st rounder out of it.
I like Bojan but he really doesn't effect winning on a team like this where he's one of the go to options and he's now a 34 year old with an injury. Weaver missed the boat on selling high on him.

As far as the tank is concerned, I think this is a neutral move. Guys like Omoruyi and Livers don't score as much but they also defend better so it's pretty a saw off in terms of team effect IMO.

What offers did Weaver turn down for Bojan?

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[bstein14]

Looks like we're shutting down Bojan for the remainder of the season, for his health, or the tank, or whatever.

Who knows if he's really injured but this is even more reason why it was mistake not to sell high on him and get a 1st rounder out of it.
I like Bojan but he really doesn't effect winning on a team like this where he's one of the go to options and he's now a 34 year old with an injury. Weaver missed the boat on selling high on him.

As far as the tank is concerned, I think this is a neutral move. Guys like Omoruyi and Livers don't score as much but they also defend better so it's pretty a saw off in terms of team effect IMO.

What offers did Weaver turn down for Bojan?

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The only deal that was reported for certain that the Lakers and the Pistons had a deal in place for Bojan, but Weaver wanted the 2027 1st round pick to be unprotected and the Lakers wanted protection on it so the deal didn't get done.

[Pharaoh]

Who knows if he's really injured but this is even more reason why it was mistake not to sell high on him and get a 1st rounder out of it.
I like Bojan but he really doesn't effect winning on a team like this where he's one of the go to options and he's now a 34 year old with an injury. Weaver missed the boat on selling high on him.

As far as the tank is concerned, I think this is a neutral move. Guys like Omoruyi and Livers don't score as much but they also defend better so it's pretty a saw off in terms of team effect IMO.

What offers did Weaver turn down for Bojan?

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The only deal that was reported for certain that the Lakers and the Pistons had a deal in place for Bojan, but Weaver wanted the 2027 1st round pick to be unprotected and the Lakers wanted protection on it so the deal didn't get done.

In other words there's been ZERO reports that Weaver turned down a offer where we got a first.

A protected first isn't the same thing

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[bstein14]

What offers did Weaver turn down for Bojan?

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The only deal that was reported for certain that the Lakers and the Pistons had a deal in place for Bojan, but Weaver wanted the 2027 1st round pick to be unprotected and the Lakers wanted protection on it so the deal didn't get done.

In other words there's been ZERO reports that Weaver turned down a offer where we got a first.

A protected first isn't the same thing

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The Lakers did end up trading away that 2027 first round pick to Utah and the picked ended up being just top 4 protected.... but if it didn't convey because the Lakers ended up with a top 4 pick that year, it would instead become the Lakers 2027 2nd round pick. I'd assume the protected would have been similar in a deal with us, and you are correct that Weaver wanted a guaranteed 1st with the potential to be a really good pick instead of a pick that might just end up being a 2nd rounder.

[flow]

Bojan is fine, first of all. As is everyone else on our team being held out. Even if we weren't tanking, what's the sense of playing Bojan right now? None.

Bojan was retained for next year. Not for this year. Not for three years from now. Next year is important to/for Weaver. And nothing they'd have gotten for Bojan at the deadline would be as helpful to the team next year as Bojan himself will. That simple.

[ElectricMayhem]

What tank? The Wizards losing today means we can still tie them for the final play-in spot if we win out and they lose out.

[coordinator0]

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[440BB]

I'm waiting for them to get a little more creative with these injuries, just to keep it interesting. Something like a grade 2 hangnail or a swollen uvula.

[DBC10]

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Shoulder impingement is an amusing one. If it was close to play-in Stew would no doubt be busting his arse out there to play

[theBigLip]

March 31 - big game. At Houston for all the marbles, er, ping pong balls.

[topsearch92]

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Shoulder impingement is an amusing one. If it was close to play-in Stew would no doubt be busting his arse out there to play

Shutting him down so we have a better chance at replacing/upgrading his minutes next season

[Kilo]

This overt tank has been gross. Weaver is Hinkie. I hope a team like Portland wins the lottery over rewarding ugly basketball on purpose. And it's not "Hey Cade went down" because any team bringing back Casey wasn't trying to do anything other than tank still.

[JNewton]

This overt tank has been gross. Weaver is Hinkie. I hope a team like Portland wins the lottery over rewarding ugly basketball on purpose. And it's not "Hey Cade went down" because any team bringing back Casey wasn't trying to do anything other than tank still.

After the Pistons spent an entire decade fruitlessly chasing the 8 seed, and oftentimes going on "Pride" winning streaks late in seasons when their opponents had gone into full tank mode, resulting in the torpedoing of their draft position and consistently picking in the 7-10 range, I welcome doing what gives the greatest mathematical probability at a top pick. But that's me.

[440BB]

After the Pistons spent an entire decade fruitlessly chasing the 8 seed, and oftentimes going on "Pride" winning streaks late in seasons when their opponents had gone into full tank mode, resulting in the torpedoing of their draft position and consistently picking in the 7-10 range, I welcome doing what gives the greatest mathematical probability at a top pick. But that's me.

I was thinking about what a SVG led team would do in the last 15 games. Probably 10-5. I don't miss those worthless last gasps at all.

[Manocad]

This overt tank has been gross. Weaver is Hinkie. I hope a team like Portland wins the lottery over rewarding ugly basketball on purpose. And it's not "Hey Cade went down" because any team bringing back Casey wasn't trying to do anything other than tank still.

No. Hinkie went overt tank mode for three full years, selling off every asset for draft picks while the team ran out garbage lineups for entire seasons. If Weaver were Hinkie then Bojan wouldn't be on this team.

I don't know what your expectation for this season was even if Cade wasn't injured, but they weren't going to make any noise. I think most of us had a ceiling of 30-35 wins if everything went right and maybe 40 wins if everything went better than expected. Cade being out is arguably worth 5 fewer wins if not more, throw in another 3 fewer wins for other injuries, then add another 5 fewer wins due to going into tank mode once it was clear there was very little benefit in going balls to the wall for wins. Now you're looking at 17-22 wins which is right where the team is at.

[Manocad]

This overt tank has been gross. Weaver is Hinkie. I hope a team like Portland wins the lottery over rewarding ugly basketball on purpose. And it's not "Hey Cade went down" because any team bringing back Casey wasn't trying to do anything other than tank still.

After the Pistons spent an entire decade fruitlessly chasing the 8 seed, and oftentimes going on "Pride" winning streaks late in seasons when their opponents had gone into full tank mode, resulting in the torpedoing of their draft position and consistently picking in the 7-10 range, I welcome doing what gives the greatest mathematical probability at a top pick. But that's me.

And that's the reality of today's NBA. Until you have at least one superstar to build around you're not winning a championship. And unless you happen to get the #1 pick in a draft with a Jordan, Lebron or what people think Victor Wembanyama should turn into, you need more than one shot at drafting one. I think most people would consider Cade a very good player with All Star capability and worth building around given the position he plays and being a good face of the franchise. But I doubt many people have superstar expectations for him. Last year wound up being #5 and Ivey; also a nice player with All Star potential but unlikely to be a superstar. So take one more kick at the can and hope for Victor. If not Victor then Scoot or another nice player, and then you push all in and tackle the trade/free agent market.

[Snakebites]

Drafting someone billed as a generational talent going into the draft is not the only way to build a winner and isn't a guarantee either. Teams often lose said player before they hit their window.

But yeah, Wemby is our most likely path forward. Which is a shame, as we've got a 1 in 7 shot at him.

[bstein14]

Drafting someone billed as a generational talent going in is not the only way to build a winner, in fact teams that do it often end up losing said player before they properly hit their championship window with them.

But yeah, Wemby is our most likely path forward. Which is a shame, as we've got a 1 in 7 shot at him.

Bucks drafted Giannis at #15, and were lucky to keep him long enough and develop him into a star. Also, they got real lucky to be gifted another all-star in Middleton.

Nuggets got Jokic in the 2nd round.

Memphis was bad for several years and got talent at the top of the lottery in JJJ and Ja but also hit good on some later picks as well.

Even Steph Curry wasn't considered a supreme talent, and was a later lottery pick.

Wemby is certainly the fast forward cheat mode way to take a jump and have a legit chance at championship contention in a few years but its also possible to hit in different ways for sure.

We're honestly the right lottery pick, the right trade, and the right FA signing away from being a playoff team next year its just sometimes hard to hit on all 3 of those.

[Snakebites]

Drafting someone billed as a generational talent going in is not the only way to build a winner, in fact teams that do it often end up losing said player before they properly hit their championship window with them.

But yeah, Wemby is our most likely path forward. Which is a shame, as we've got a 1 in 7 shot at him.

Bucks drafted Giannis at #15, and were lucky to keep him long enough and develop him into a star. Also, they got real lucky to be gifted another all-star in Middleton.

Nuggets got Jokic in the 2nd round.

Memphis was bad for several years and got talent at the top of the lottery in JJJ and Ja but also hit good on some later picks as well.

Even Steph Curry wasn't considered a supreme talent, and was a later lottery pick.

Wemby is certainly the fast forward cheat mode way to take a jump and have a legit chance at championship contention in a few years but its also possible to hit in different ways for sure.

We're honestly the right lottery pick, the right trade, and the right FA signing away from being a playoff team next year its just sometimes hard to hit on all 3 of those.

Sure- fire generational draft talents aren’t super common either.

How many have there been in the last 10 years?

Zion was seen as one I guess. I’d say Luka but he didn’t even go first. AD was over 10 years ago.

There’s plenty of guys who turned out to be that in retrospect, but scouting is pretty clearly imperfect at identifying these players. The Warriors won a championship built around a mid lotto pick, a late lotto pick, and a second rounder. The Bucks accomplished something similar.

Don’t get me wrong, I really want Wemby. He and Cade is a potential championship duo that if it pans out should be extremely effective in the modern NBA. But he’s not ever going to be a substitute for good drafting and decision making- which is far more essential and more likely to lead to success than striking lotto gold.