ImageImageImage

HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p

Moderators: KingDavid, QUIZ, MettaWorldPanda, Wiltside, IggieCC, BFRESH44, heat4life

User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,912
And1: 52,798
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#341 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:02 am

Beenie wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
oreon wrote:
Finally here, the season is almost over. Maybe if he showed up when Bam was balling we'd be in a better position.


Had he been playing like he cared all season we’d arguably be a top 3 seed and the team wouldn’t be trying to figure it out 65 games in now that he’s finally decided to try



Jimmy is 33 with a history of missing stretches of almost each season he’s been a pro and the fanbase expects him to carry the load as if he’s 25.

How bout the 25 years old all star who half the fan base is clamoring to be given the keys to the franchise, actually step up and prove he’s deserving of one day being casted into that role.


No one’s expecting him to carry but he should act like he cares. Bams had a great season, some of you just get delusional and forget after a bad stretch lol.

Dude leads the league in points in the paint, he leads our team in 30 point games this season pretty comfortably and that’s after 3 of Jimmys 8 total have come in our last 6 games. This exact scenario has happened multiple times this season with Bam being the lead guy, do you need me to go down the list and point out the games Bam dominated while Jimmy put up stinkers or do you only care when it fits your “Goofy Bam” agenda?

I’ve even said myself Jimmy shouldn’t have to go hard all season, we don’t have the roster that gives him that luxury though and we’re in horrible position right now when they clear cut best interest of this team would be to continue losing.
#FreeBam
#Klutch
User avatar
Beenie
Head Coach
Posts: 6,077
And1: 10,025
Joined: Oct 24, 2016
 

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#342 » by Beenie » Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:10 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Beenie wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Had he been playing like he cared all season we’d arguably be a top 3 seed and the team wouldn’t be trying to figure it out 65 games in now that he’s finally decided to try



Jimmy is 33 with a history of missing stretches of almost each season he’s been a pro and the fanbase expects him to carry the load as if he’s 25.

How bout the 25 years old all star who half the fan base is clamoring to be given the keys to the franchise, actually step up and prove he’s deserving of one day being casted into that role.


No one’s expecting him to carry but he should act like he cares. Bams had a great season, some of you just get delusional and forget after a bad stretch lol.

Dude leads the league in points in the paint, he leads our team in 30 point games this season pretty comfortably and that’s after 3 of Jimmys 8 total have come in our last 6 games. This exact scenario has happened multiple times this season with Bam being the lead guy, do you need me to go down the list and point out the games Bam dominated while Jimmy put up stinkers or do you only care when it fits your “Goofy Bam” agenda?

I’ve even said myself Jimmy shouldn’t have to go hard all season, we don’t have the roster that gives him that luxury though and we’re in horrible position right now when they clear cut best interest of this team would be to continue losing.


The hyperbole around Bam is eye rolling

The word dominate is being used quite liberally

These last two games, it’s a worthy description to how Jimmy has played.

Likewise, Michell dominated last night, and Randall dominated Mia last week.

Bam having those types of performances are extremely rare.
ShulaDon92
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,942
And1: 4,392
Joined: Oct 08, 2022

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#343 » by ShulaDon92 » Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:12 am

Image

We've got to be better, brehz. These brehz caught us napping
User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,912
And1: 52,798
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#344 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:26 am

Beenie wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Beenie wrote:

Jimmy is 33 with a history of missing stretches of almost each season he’s been a pro and the fanbase expects him to carry the load as if he’s 25.

How bout the 25 years old all star who half the fan base is clamoring to be given the keys to the franchise, actually step up and prove he’s deserving of one day being casted into that role.


No one’s expecting him to carry but he should act like he cares. Bams had a great season, some of you just get delusional and forget after a bad stretch lol.

Dude leads the league in points in the paint, he leads our team in 30 point games this season pretty comfortably and that’s after 3 of Jimmys 8 total have come in our last 6 games. This exact scenario has happened multiple times this season with Bam being the lead guy, do you need me to go down the list and point out the games Bam dominated while Jimmy put up stinkers or do you only care when it fits your “Goofy Bam” agenda?

I’ve even said myself Jimmy shouldn’t have to go hard all season, we don’t have the roster that gives him that luxury though and we’re in horrible position right now when they clear cut best interest of this team would be to continue losing.


The hyperbole around Bam is eye rolling

The word dominate is being used quite liberally

These last two games, it’s a worthy description to how Jimmy has played.

Likewise, Michell dominated last night, and Randall dominated Mia last week.

Bam having those types of performances are extremely rare.


Bams had bigger games than Jimmy had tonight and they resulted in wins against better competition. We’ve also had losses where bam far outplayed Jimmy and as I told you I can point them out if you want. The complete head turn and refusal to acknowledge Bams good play is what is truly eye rolling. Dude just had 30-11-5 in a big win over the Hawks the other night and it was dead as hell on here :lol: some of you don’t have any contribution unless he’s playing bad
#FreeBam
#Klutch
ShulaDon92
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,942
And1: 4,392
Joined: Oct 08, 2022

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#345 » by ShulaDon92 » Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:40 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Beenie wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
No one’s expecting him to carry but he should act like he cares. Bams had a great season, some of you just get delusional and forget after a bad stretch lol.

Dude leads the league in points in the paint, he leads our team in 30 point games this season pretty comfortably and that’s after 3 of Jimmys 8 total have come in our last 6 games. This exact scenario has happened multiple times this season with Bam being the lead guy, do you need me to go down the list and point out the games Bam dominated while Jimmy put up stinkers or do you only care when it fits your “Goofy Bam” agenda?

I’ve even said myself Jimmy shouldn’t have to go hard all season, we don’t have the roster that gives him that luxury though and we’re in horrible position right now when they clear cut best interest of this team would be to continue losing.


The hyperbole around Bam is eye rolling

The word dominate is being used quite liberally

These last two games, it’s a worthy description to how Jimmy has played.

Likewise, Michell dominated last night, and Randall dominated Mia last week.

Bam having those types of performances are extremely rare.


Bams had bigger games than Jimmy had tonight and they resulted in wins against better competition. We’ve also had losses where bam far outplayed Jimmy and as I told you I can point them out if you want. The complete head turn and refusal to acknowledge Bams good play is what is truly eye rolling. Dude just had 30-11-5 in a big win over the Hawks the other night and it was dead as hell on here :lol: some of you don’t have any contribution unless he’s playing bad


Bam's been great all year, that's why night's like this can be understood from time to time.

Bam's not the problemo
Pokuokic
Pro Prospect
Posts: 931
And1: 1,215
Joined: Nov 24, 2022

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#346 » by Pokuokic » Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:17 am

The Heat would have been better signing Stanley Johnson (probably for a cheaper price) over Kevin Love, the guy can barely move out there and his shooting has been poor in the 10 games or so he's played he literally has brang nothing even Highsmith as a undersized PF would be better. Maybe he can turn it around but the signs are not good.
ShulaDon92
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,942
And1: 4,392
Joined: Oct 08, 2022

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#347 » by ShulaDon92 » Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:46 am

Pokuokic wrote:The Heat would have been better signing Stanley Johnson (probably for a cheaper price) over Kevin Love, the guy can barely move out there and his shooting has been poor in the 10 games or so he's played he literally has brang nothing even Highsmith as a undersized PF would be better. Maybe he can turn it around but the signs are not good.


We bolstered the rebounding but not our shooting
3ballbomber
General Manager
Posts: 8,301
And1: 11,362
Joined: Jan 24, 2011
Location: Burn City
 

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#348 » by 3ballbomber » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:10 am

QUIZ wrote:
oreon wrote:
MorbidHEAT wrote:Also, Jimmy Buckets is finally here and he i playing alone.


Finally here, the season is almost over. Maybe if he showed up when Bam was balling we'd be in a better position.

Where’s this narrative coming from that Jimmy was bad for most of the season. He averaged 21/6/5 on 62 TS% (highest of his career) BEFORE the all star break. The only real knock on him is that he played 44 out of the 59 games but that’s life with Jimmy, he’s older and has a lot of miles.


Image
If u don't want 2b here, the way things work, u don't like it, then don't b here. U have 2 stand on something. If Miami ain't standing on something, they become alot of these organizations trying 2 find their identity. This is the culture, bro -Wade
3ballbomber
General Manager
Posts: 8,301
And1: 11,362
Joined: Jan 24, 2011
Location: Burn City
 

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#349 » by 3ballbomber » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:23 am

Beenie wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
oreon wrote:
Finally here, the season is almost over. Maybe if he showed up when Bam was balling we'd be in a better position.


Had he been playing like he cared all season we’d arguably be a top 3 seed and the team wouldn’t be trying to figure it out 65 games in now that he’s finally decided to try



Jimmy is 33 with a history of missing stretches of almost each season he’s been a pro and the fanbase expects him to carry the load as if he’s 25.

How bout the 25 years old all star who half the fan base is clamoring to be given the keys to the franchise, actually step up and prove he’s deserving of one day being casted into that role.


How cld mother f*ckers question Jimmy after all these superb performances he's given this team, all the times he's saved our asses. He's 1 of just 2 players who stepped up post all-stars when games matter & cats still whining. Watch him put the cape on in the PO's & these same mf'ers cheer him on.
If u don't want 2b here, the way things work, u don't like it, then don't b here. U have 2 stand on something. If Miami ain't standing on something, they become alot of these organizations trying 2 find their identity. This is the culture, bro -Wade
3ballbomber
General Manager
Posts: 8,301
And1: 11,362
Joined: Jan 24, 2011
Location: Burn City
 

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#350 » by 3ballbomber » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:49 am

I took Miami pt spread vs Cavs last night & put my money on Magic for this game.

Was always going to be a tough game regardless who we faced. 3 games in 4 nights, tail end of a B-2-B. No Martin to boot. Then Zeller left the gm, Herro food poisoning.......we then had to play overtime. Any other situation we prob take this game, esp w/ Jimmy on a mission. Woulda been a tough situation for even the best teams.
If u don't want 2b here, the way things work, u don't like it, then don't b here. U have 2 stand on something. If Miami ain't standing on something, they become alot of these organizations trying 2 find their identity. This is the culture, bro -Wade
Jfh20
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,454
And1: 1,775
Joined: Dec 12, 2019
     

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#351 » by Jfh20 » Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:39 am

I don’t defend heat fo or most players on this roster but you can’t blame jimmy for not caring much this season, he’s probably like where’s my help? Why isn’t kd in heat uniform right? Heat fo have come up short
unowen85
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 7,577
And1: 2,899
Joined: Jul 01, 2003
Location: Maryland
   

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#352 » by unowen85 » Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:44 pm

This time last year was also when Jimmy tried to beat up Spo.
For a long time it gave me nightmares,witnessing an injustice like that.It’s a constant reminder of just how unfair this world can be.I can still hear them taunting him, Silly Rabbit tricks are for kids.I mean why couldn’t they just give him some cereal?
MHeat0279
Analyst
Posts: 3,547
And1: 4,585
Joined: Sep 09, 2005
         

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#353 » by MHeat0279 » Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:22 pm

3ballbomber wrote:
Beenie wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Had he been playing like he cared all season we’d arguably be a top 3 seed and the team wouldn’t be trying to figure it out 65 games in now that he’s finally decided to try



Jimmy is 33 with a history of missing stretches of almost each season he’s been a pro and the fanbase expects him to carry the load as if he’s 25.

How bout the 25 years old all star who half the fan base is clamoring to be given the keys to the franchise, actually step up and prove he’s deserving of one day being casted into that role.


How cld mother f*ckers question Jimmy after all these superb performances he's given this team, all the times he's saved our asses. He's 1 of just 2 players who stepped up post all-stars when games matter & cats still whining. Watch him put the cape on in the PO's & these same mf'ers cheer him on.


Jimmy is the only reason we have had some success with this disgrace of a team. The only one in this team who you can put some kind of trust he will get it done when it matters, nobody and i mean nobody else in this team you can count on as you can with Jimmy. However we will not be successful as a team without roster and staff changes.
User avatar
Beenie
Head Coach
Posts: 6,077
And1: 10,025
Joined: Oct 24, 2016
 

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#354 » by Beenie » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:47 pm

MHeat0279 wrote:
3ballbomber wrote:
Beenie wrote:

Jimmy is 33 with a history of missing stretches of almost each season he’s been a pro and the fanbase expects him to carry the load as if he’s 25.

How bout the 25 years old all star who half the fan base is clamoring to be given the keys to the franchise, actually step up and prove he’s deserving of one day being casted into that role.


How cld mother f*ckers question Jimmy after all these superb performances he's given this team, all the times he's saved our asses. He's 1 of just 2 players who stepped up post all-stars when games matter & cats still whining. Watch him put the cape on in the PO's & these same mf'ers cheer him on.


Jimmy is the only reason we have had some success with this disgrace of a team. The only one in this team who you can put some kind of trust he will get it done when it matters, nobody and i mean nobody else in this team you can count on as you can with Jimmy. However we will not be successful as a team without roster and staff changes.


TBC, this is the point of my comment.

The people who have been critical of Jimmy for not going into "playoff jimmy" mode and sustaining that level of play throughout the regular season are simple-minded.

He turns it on when necessary which is how it should be at this stage of his career.

It's as if the fans expect him to average close to 40 minutes a night, play all 82 games and score 30 or hes somehow not living up to his contract.
User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,912
And1: 52,798
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#355 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:58 pm

Beenie wrote:
MHeat0279 wrote:
3ballbomber wrote:
How cld mother f*ckers question Jimmy after all these superb performances he's given this team, all the times he's saved our asses. He's 1 of just 2 players who stepped up post all-stars when games matter & cats still whining. Watch him put the cape on in the PO's & these same mf'ers cheer him on.


Jimmy is the only reason we have had some success with this disgrace of a team. The only one in this team who you can put some kind of trust he will get it done when it matters, nobody and i mean nobody else in this team you can count on as you can with Jimmy. However we will not be successful as a team without roster and staff changes.


TBC, this is the point of my comment.

The people who have been critical of Jimmy for not going into "playoff jimmy" mode and sustaining that level of play throughout the regular season are simple-minded.

He turns it on when necessary which is how it should be at this stage of his career.

It's as if the fans expect him to average close to 40 minutes a night, play all 82 games and score 30 or hes somehow not living up to his contract.


No one said he should be averaging 30, we said he should care. He shouldn’t have 10 points at New York in a game we barely lose while Bam has 32. He shouldn’t have 13 against the nets when Bam has 24-13-6 and his matchup bridges has 45-8-5 and we barely lose. If he’s all about winning there’s 2 very crucial games for the standings right there he didn’t show up to. We’re just not going to sit here and pretend this nice little stretch he’s having has been the norm all season. Hell, Bam just carried us to a big win over the hawks with 30-11-5 while Jimmy had 15 like a week ago.

He turns it on when necessary and unfortunately for this horrible team and roster construction it’s been necessary all season. We were playing almost 10 undrafted guys. If Jimmy doesn’t show up and one of Bam or Herro shoot bad then what do we have? Literally nothing as we saw last night because no one else on the team is worth a damn.
#FreeBam
#Klutch
oreon
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,053
And1: 7,596
Joined: Jun 18, 2018

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#356 » by oreon » Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:56 pm

Beenie wrote:
MHeat0279 wrote:
3ballbomber wrote:
How cld mother f*ckers question Jimmy after all these superb performances he's given this team, all the times he's saved our asses. He's 1 of just 2 players who stepped up post all-stars when games matter & cats still whining. Watch him put the cape on in the PO's & these same mf'ers cheer him on.


Jimmy is the only reason we have had some success with this disgrace of a team. The only one in this team who you can put some kind of trust he will get it done when it matters, nobody and i mean nobody else in this team you can count on as you can with Jimmy. However we will not be successful as a team without roster and staff changes.


TBC, this is the point of my comment.

The people who have been critical of Jimmy for not going into "playoff jimmy" mode and sustaining that level of play throughout the regular season are simple-minded.

He turns it on when necessary which is how it should be at this stage of his career.

It's as if the fans expect him to average close to 40 minutes a night, play all 82 games and score 30 or hes somehow not living up to his contract.


No one can say he's been allstar or all nba level player for the regular season. No one. When you get paid max thats the minimum required expectation. If he can't do that, he should have taken a discount.
Cuz reality will start to hit next season. His contracts makes a huge jump and then Herro max starts to kick in. We will be paying a 100 mill to 3 players. Its going to be hard to have depth with so much money on 3 guys. So you need the 3 to play up to their contracts.
It makes no sense to me, we expect Bam to play like an allstar. We expect Herro to play like one too. But Butler gets a pass.
You get money, there are expectations. There have been games where a lot of games early in the season when he's been a non factor. When the team is struggling, that's just not good enough.
Butler can coast when everyone else is stepping up. But when the team is struggling he needs to step up and play like an allstar. He didn't for half of the season, Bam did. He can't get a pass. He's at fault for a poor season as is FO, Spo and the players.
User avatar
Shewasfly
General Manager
Posts: 8,548
And1: 14,574
Joined: Aug 05, 2014
   

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#357 » by Shewasfly » Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:47 pm

Didn't see the game, but see a lot of blame being thrown around at Butler.

Must mean that Bam had a bad game. Also must mean Herro didn't play (so he was unavailable to be the normal scapegoat, so it shifted to Butler). Its generally that formula, and when someone, anyone tries to hold Bam accountable for literally anything on this board, that results in these posts.

Funny how the same metrics that a consistent contingent of the board uses to **** on every Heat player (though namely Herro) shows that Jimmy has not just earned his piece this season, he's been ELITE. And yet those metrics aren't being spammed up and down game threads and the regular season thread like they would in a scenario to attempt to prop Bam up and make him look better than he has ever actually been.
Image
Saudades.
User avatar
Shewasfly
General Manager
Posts: 8,548
And1: 14,574
Joined: Aug 05, 2014
   

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#358 » by Shewasfly » Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:59 pm

oreon wrote:
Beenie wrote:
MHeat0279 wrote:
Jimmy is the only reason we have had some success with this disgrace of a team. The only one in this team who you can put some kind of trust he will get it done when it matters, nobody and i mean nobody else in this team you can count on as you can with Jimmy. However we will not be successful as a team without roster and staff changes.


TBC, this is the point of my comment.

The people who have been critical of Jimmy for not going into "playoff jimmy" mode and sustaining that level of play throughout the regular season are simple-minded.

He turns it on when necessary which is how it should be at this stage of his career.

It's as if the fans expect him to average close to 40 minutes a night, play all 82 games and score 30 or hes somehow not living up to his contract.


No one can say he's been allstar or all nba level player for the regular season. No one. When you get paid max thats the minimum required expectation. If he can't do that, he should have taken a discount.
Cuz reality will start to hit next season. His contracts makes a huge jump and then Herro max starts to kick in. We will be paying a 100 mill to 3 players. Its going to be hard to have depth with so much money on 3 guys. So you need the 3 to play up to their contracts.
It makes no sense to me, we expect Bam to play like an allstar. We expect Herro to play like one too. But Butler gets a pass.
You get money, there are expectations. There have been games where a lot of games early in the season when he's been a non factor. When the team is struggling, that's just not good enough.
Butler can coast when everyone else is stepping up. But when the team is struggling he needs to step up and play like an allstar. He didn't for half of the season, Bam did. He can't get a pass. He's at fault for a poor season as is FO, Spo and the players.

This has to be the twilight zone because the only player on this team who I see who consistently gets a pass is Bam.

Yall are mentioning him playing so great and carrying this team, while **** on Jimmy and saying he's not doing enough. And I'm sitting here trying to figure out what the standards could possibly be to make that type of claim.

Unless you are talking about being available to play being the sole standard to classify "stepping up", what standards are you using?
We have sucked all season long, so not like when Jimmy was out we looked like some powerhouse behind Bam.
Its not like his numbers/output are better than Jimmy's when they both play.
So what gives?

Only thing that makes sense is if the standards for performance are SIGNIFICANTLY lower for Bam than they are for Jimmy. In which case, please stop mentioning Jimmy and Bam in the same sentence, stop calling Bam the franchise player of this team that we should build around (this one is especially alarming), and stop acting like he's untouchable in trades.
Image
Saudades.
User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,912
And1: 52,798
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#359 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:30 pm

Bam was fuxking horrible last night. He’s having a rough stretch since the ASB where he’s only had like 3 good games, he’s seemed disinterested and disengaged. His body language has been bad. Makes you wonder what’s going on. The love fit has been horrible as well. Could be a catalyst but we won’t know until we see change.

That has not been the case for majority of the season though, not even close.
#FreeBam
#Klutch
User avatar
3ammy3uck3ts
RealGM
Posts: 38,912
And1: 52,798
Joined: Nov 11, 2021
 

Re: HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p 

Post#360 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:33 pm

It really is just a damn shame some of you can’t appreciate the elite young talent Bam is and only post when he has a bad game, which is rarely why we see some of you post :lol:

He IS the future of this franchise. He IS the next Heat great. He IS the guy who is going to attract elite talent to this team in the future.
#FreeBam
#Klutch

Return to Miami Heat