2022-2023 Regular Season Game 69: Orlando Magic (28-40) at San Antonio Spurs (17-50) - 8pm

[Ralof]

useful reminder that playoffs are far away if FO don't push anything next summer.

[Ralof]

Paolo with 21 shots and no assists. He played a very selfish brand of basketball.

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he plays best game of the year,or something close to.

type of situation when mosley should runs more play for him and put in situation when he can create for others.

[RichCollab]

Paolo with 21 shots and no assists. He played a very selfish brand of basketball.

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he plays best game of the year,or something close to.

type of situation when mosley should runs more play for him and put in situation when he can create for others.

Scoring 27 points doesn’t automatically equal great game. Paolo was apart of the lack of assist and poor defense.

[drsd]

Paolo with 21 shots and no assists. He played a very selfish brand of basketball.

Horrible defense of Spurs bigs also cemented the loss.

[drsd]

useful reminder that playoffs are far away if FO don't push anything next summer.

I am not sure I agree. A healthy Magic just as constructed should go for low-40 wins next year. And a 4-1 exit perpetual exit from the playoffs. The team will be stuck in mediocrity without some significant roster changes.

Does Orlando want to be the next Atlanta Hawks or the next Cleveland Cavs in its growth curve?

[drsd]

Did Sochan ever have a player within 4 feet of his shots?

Some of the worst "defense" ever recorded???

Watch on YouTube

[Magic_Kingdom]

It’s time to start Cole over Harris for this final stretch. How has Gary not lost his job?

[Knightro]

I'm not a Gary Harris guy, but some of the criticism surrounding him is a bit misguided too.

They ask him in every single halfcourt set to stand in the corner and wait. If the pass never comes, what exactly is he supposed to do?

More than any other player on the roster, his offensive production is pretty much entirely predicated on people actually passing him the basketball.

Blaming the SG who touches the ball 16 times a game instead of the four guys who primarily touch the ball in the front court not being very good playmakers for others seems bizarre to me.

[VFX]

I don't understand why our talking heads constantly want to praise Fultz

Trying to get him paid

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It’s so **** annoying. Reminiscent of AG.

[Ralof]

Mosley definitely deserves the chance to be head coach next year,no doubt about It

That said

He has to show something more in terms of offensive purpose next season,it's a no brainer.

Too many Times this team offense Is Banchero/Fultz ball in Their hands,"guys do create something".

And we can argue about upside of some players,limitations of others,but reality this roster has at least 10 Nba players and you at least has to try to make It work Better.

He tried witn defense,he has to try with offense,give a minimal strutture to play with,even just 3-4 variables of central pick and roll or isolations

[pepe1991]

I'm not a Gary Harris guy, but some of the criticism surrounding him is a bit misguided too.

They ask him in every single halfcourt set to stand in the corner and wait. If the pass never comes, what exactly is he supposed to do?

More than any other player on the roster, his offensive production is pretty much entirely predicated on people actually passing him the basketball.

Instead of blaming the SG who touches the ball 16 times a game instead of the four guys who primarily touch the ball in the front court not being very good playmakers for others seems bizarre to me.

Some of blame has to be on him.

His touches declined over time along with his game.

2017-18- -42 touches a game---17 ppg
2018-19--- 36 touches a game --- 13 ppg
2019-20---31,6 ---10 ppg
2020-21--- 25 touches---9,7 ppg

All that on Nuggets.


You can say that his body declined so he lost confidence he can do anything but shoot, so he only waits for ball in 100% open situations and passes out or/and hides majority of time.

Again, in comparison to similar role of players like Graysoon Allen, Allen touches ball 36 times a game, ( probably ) because he isn't comfortable at anything else but shooting wide open Js. For crying out loud, guy drew 12 shooting fouls this season. Twelve. And probably not all of them were actually shooting- fouls, but regular fouls in bonus.


On Nuggets, this year in role of 3 and D guard, KCP has 39 touches a game, playing identical role to Gary's old role.

so yea... it's on him that he just stays in corner and excludes himself from offense.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I don't understand why our talking heads constantly want to praise Fultz

Fultz is a bench player with a good story about his comeback and it makes it bearable for a little bit until you open your eyes.

[drsd]

I'm not a Gary Harris guy, but some of the criticism surrounding him is a bit misguided too.

They ask him in every single halfcourt set to stand in the corner and wait. If the pass never comes, what exactly is he supposed to do?

More than any other player on the roster, his offensive production is pretty much entirely predicated on people actually passing him the basketball.

Instead of blaming the SG who touches the ball 16 times a game instead of the four guys who primarily touch the ball in the front court not being very good playmakers for others seems bizarre to me.

One key point is that some of the SG failures are on coach. Mosley clearly is ignoring the SG slot in offensive sets. And that's not OK.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I'm not a Gary Harris guy, but some of the criticism surrounding him is a bit misguided too.

They ask him in every single halfcourt set to stand in the corner and wait. If the pass never comes, what exactly is he supposed to do?

More than any other player on the roster, his offensive production is pretty much entirely predicated on people actually passing him the basketball.

Instead of blaming the SG who touches the ball 16 times a game instead of the four guys who primarily touch the ball in the front court not being very good playmakers for others seems bizarre to me.

One key point is that some of the SG failures are on coach. Mosley clearly is ignoring the SG slot in offensive sets. And that's not OK.

doesn't help when your PG is utterly useless when the ball is not in his hand.

[Bergmaniac]

Feels like the last several games we are reverting to the mean in terms of opponent's 3 point percentage. The quality of looks teams were getting against us didn't merit us being a Top 5 team in Opponent 3 point percentage and now we've slipped to 10th which seems more logical. Last night was an extreme example, but these things would happen once in a while.

I'm not sure what the plan is but we shouldn't just run it back... but what happens to the PG position if we miss out on Scoot, FVV, DLo, whoever else we're hoping for? I've seen enough of Fultz 'running' the offense. Forget the 3's. I'm not seeing him make the game easier for his teammates. Just not enough playmaking... on top of the lack of 3's. I bet he's back in the starting lineup if we miss out on our targets.

This is what is often getting missed in the whole Fultz debate. People talk as if he is a great playmaker who is just missing a 3 point shot, but he is really not. In the halfcourt he is a mediocre playmaker at best. He is well below average at running a pick and roll, the most important play in basketball. Doing a behind the back pass once in a while doesn't make you a great playmaker. He is better in transition, but we play too slow for this to matter much.

[Audi]

Feels like the last several games we are reverting to the mean in terms of opponent's 3 point percentage. The quality of looks teams were getting against us didn't merit us being a Top 5 team in Opponent 3 point percentage and now we've slipped to 10th which seems more logical. Last night was an extreme example, but these things would happen once in a while.

I'm not sure what the plan is but we shouldn't just run it back... but what happens to the PG position if we miss out on Scoot, FVV, DLo, whoever else we're hoping for? I've seen enough of Fultz 'running' the offense. Forget the 3's. I'm not seeing him make the game easier for his teammates. Just not enough playmaking... on top of the lack of 3's. I bet he's back in the starting lineup if we miss out on our targets.

This is what is often getting missed in the whole Fultz debate. People talk as if he is a great playmaker who is just missing a 3 point shot, but he is really not. In the halfcourt he is a mediocre playmaker at best. He is well below average at running a pick and roll, the most important play in basketball. Doing a behind the back pass once in a while doesn't make you a great playmaker. He is better in transition, but we play too slow for this to matter much.

It takes two to tango. With the exception of Franz, this team really doesn't have any good starting quality roll men to run P&R with either. Wendell is bottom 44th percentile and Paolo is an abysmal bottom 22nd percentile. Bamba and Cole were our best P&R duo by far and ran it pretty frequently but they aren't starter quality.

[eyriq]

useful reminder that playoffs are far away if FO don't push anything next summer.

I am not sure I agree. A healthy Magic just as constructed should go for low-40 wins next year. And a 4-1 exit perpetual exit from the playoffs. The team will be stuck in mediocrity without some significant roster changes.

Does Orlando want to be the next Atlanta Hawks or the next Cleveland Cavs in its growth curve?

We agree on this. Run it back and you are a probable .500 team.

[KillMonger]

Did Sochan ever have a player within 4 feet of his shots?

Some of the worst "defense" ever recorded???

Watch on YouTube

Mind you....mose is a "defensive" coach

[basketballRob]

I just had a vision that Mike Malone was our coach in 2024-25.

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[pepe1991]

Did Sochan ever have a player within 4 feet of his shots?

Some of the worst "defense" ever recorded???

Watch on YouTube

Mind you....mose is a "defensive" coach

Coast to coast where G. Harris and Wendell Carter guarded each other was brutal