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Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread

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Re: Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread 

Post#141 » by WaltFrazier » Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:47 am

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Iirc, he kinda shoots one handed now anyway. He sets up with two but then cradles the ball with his right before going into his shooting motion. I wonder if he'd be willing to try underhanded in the offseason. I know that it doesn't have much in the way of gains for someone who is already a good free throw shooter but the simplicity of it might mean there'd be more potential for someone who's inconsistent

I'm sure Rick Barry would be happy to tutor him if Jak wanted to try it
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Re: Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread 

Post#142 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:54 am

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For sure. The Spurs could see that if Toronto wanted a startling level centre they had to do it via trade, at one point or another, because the free agency pool of centres available for the MLE was uninspiring.

Toronto looking to acquire Poeltl at the deadline also signalled that they were not giving up on the season, giving the Spurs leverage. Closing the deal would ultimately have come down to conceding Top 6 protection versus whatever Toronto offered (probably Top 10 because Top 14 is unrealistic IMO).

The only comparable player that hypothetically could have been an available for less was Plumlee but he's 6 years older (turns 33 this week) and wouldn't have been a solution moving forward.


On the other hand, SA only had 2 suitors. BOS and TOR. This was Toronto's deal if they wanted it and BOS couldn't keep up with TOR's offer. TOR also had to do this one to not let BOS get him and become even better. Interesting how it all played out.


dont see how "not let BOS become even better" matters. Raptors are not contending the next 2-4 years.


Cuz its still valid. Raps arent tanking any time soon
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Re: Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread 

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Re: Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread 

Post#144 » by JJWong17 » Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:31 am

WaltFrazier wrote:
JJWong17 wrote:
Kurtz wrote:He needs to try this

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Iirc, he kinda shoots one handed now anyway. He sets up with two but then cradles the ball with his right before going into his shooting motion. I wonder if he'd be willing to try underhanded in the offseason. I know that it doesn't have much in the way of gains for someone who is already a good free throw shooter but the simplicity of it might mean there'd be more potential for someone who's inconsistent

I'm sure Rick Barry would be happy to tutor him if Jak wanted to try it

I feel like it's less of case of him struggling to find someone to teach him the technique and more of whether he can endure the inevitable accusations of "looking funny." Personally, I think it's a mental hurdle worth getting over but that's easy for me to say from my PC. I'm not the one who would have a stadium of ppl and commentators making jokes about it
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Re: Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread 

Post#145 » by WaltFrazier » Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:48 am

JJWong17 wrote:
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JJWong17 wrote:Iirc, he kinda shoots one handed now anyway. He sets up with two but then cradles the ball with his right before going into his shooting motion. I wonder if he'd be willing to try underhanded in the offseason. I know that it doesn't have much in the way of gains for someone who is already a good free throw shooter but the simplicity of it might mean there'd be more potential for someone who's inconsistent

I'm sure Rick Barry would be happy to tutor him if Jak wanted to try it

I feel like it's less of case of him struggling to find someone to teach him the technique and more of whether he can endure the inevitable accusations of "looking funny." Personally, I think it's a mental hurdle worth getting over but that's easy for me to say from my PC. I'm not the one who would have a stadium of ppl and commentators making jokes about it

I agree that's why players don't try it. But also if one was to switch to underhanded they'd need an instructor, and I don't know if any exist besides Rick Barry
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Re: Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread 

Post#146 » by djsunyc » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:22 am

yak's impact here has been amazing. our starters w/ him are really really good. and this doesn't include the nuggets game where all our starters were +20 and better.

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fred + scottie + og + pascal + yak: 119,8 / 107.6 / +12.2
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Post#147 » by djsunyc » Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:43 am

including denver game: ortg/drtg/net/plus-minus

fred + scottie + og + pascal + yak(150 mins): 125.4 / 106.6 / +18.8 / +8.1
fred + scottie + precious + pascal + yak (43 mins): 136.8 / 112.4 / +24.4 / +6.3

here's boston's:

white + smart + green + tatum + horford: 120.4 / 109.2 / +11.1 / +2.5
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Post#148 » by WaltFrazier » Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:53 am

I noticed tonight he gets some extra defensive rebounds which are outside his reach by moving his feet a few quick steps to go get the ball. Which become huge extra possessions, limiting second chances to opponents. I love the small subtle things he does
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Re: Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread 

Post#149 » by djsunyc » Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:54 am

WaltFrazier wrote:I noticed tonight he gets some extra defensive rebounds which are outside his reach by moving his feet a few quick steps to go get the ball. Which become huge extra possessions, limiting second chances to opponents. I love the small subtle things he does


he's a legit game changer for us. too bad we couldn't get him in the offseason.
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Post#150 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:54 pm

Poeltl as a starter with the Raps:

29.3 MIN, 15.4 PPG, 9.8 REB, 2.8 AST, 1.8 STL, 1.8 BLK, .692 FG%, .639 FT%, .691 TS%
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Post#151 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:17 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Poeltl as a starter with the Raps:

29.3 MIN, 15.4 PPG, 9.8 REB, 2.8 AST, 1.8 STL, 1.8 BLK, .692 FG%, .639 FT%, .691 TS%


10.2 NetRTG

big reason why the starters are winning their minutes
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Re: Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread 

Post#152 » by tecumseh18 » Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:26 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:I noticed tonight he gets some extra defensive rebounds which are outside his reach by moving his feet a few quick steps to go get the ball. Which become huge extra possessions, limiting second chances to opponents. I love the small subtle things he does


The fact that his both parents were on the Austrian volleyball team had translate to his genes. Jak's the opposite of the slow plodding seven footer we're used to seeing. He's like a dancer out there.

I'm not sure why a deal couldn't have been made last season at the deadline, if we were going to end up giving the Spurs our 2022 and 2024 FRPs (and two more 2RPs) anyway. That's what they were asking for all along. Maybe they weren't willing to give up Poeltl AND the Pistons 2nd rounder, even with all those picks coming back. But I find that hard to believe. :dontknow:
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Post#153 » by Clay Davis » Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:38 pm

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WaltFrazier wrote:I noticed tonight he gets some extra defensive rebounds which are outside his reach by moving his feet a few quick steps to go get the ball. Which become huge extra possessions, limiting second chances to opponents. I love the small subtle things he does


The fact that his both parents were on the Austrian volleyball team had translate to his genes. Jak's the opposite of the slow plodding seven footer we're used to seeing. He's like a dancer out there.

I'm not sure why a deal couldn't have been made last season at the deadline, if we were going to end up giving the Spurs our 2022 and 2024 FRPs (and two more 2RPs) anyway. That's what they were asking for all along. Maybe they weren't willing to give up Poeltl AND the Pistons 2nd rounder, even with all those picks coming back. But I find that hard to believe. :dontknow:

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Re: Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread 

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Post#155 » by Fairview4Life » Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:11 pm

I picture WaltFrazier sitting on a throne of melted keyboards and questioning other posters on their pre trade Poeltl takes.
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Post#156 » by Tofubeque » Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:41 pm

Loved the assist baseline to OG last night where he jumped away from Jokic to create the passing angle. Not an intuitive move for a big man.

It's nice to have someone that size be so comfortable with the ball in his hands or away from it. Plus he has an array of shots in the paint, not just layups and floaters. With all that skill development I'm surprised he hasn't figured out free throws lol
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Post#157 » by JB7 » Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:38 pm

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WaltFrazier wrote:I noticed tonight he gets some extra defensive rebounds which are outside his reach by moving his feet a few quick steps to go get the ball. Which become huge extra possessions, limiting second chances to opponents. I love the small subtle things he does


The fact that his both parents were on the Austrian volleyball team had translate to his genes. Jak's the opposite of the slow plodding seven footer we're used to seeing. He's like a dancer out there.

I'm not sure why a deal couldn't have been made last season at the deadline, if we were going to end up giving the Spurs our 2022 and 2024 FRPs (and two more 2RPs) anyway. That's what they were asking for all along. Maybe they weren't willing to give up Poeltl AND the Pistons 2nd rounder, even with all those picks coming back. But I find that hard to believe. :dontknow:


I wonder if when the Raps were talking earlier to the Spurs about Jak, even this past summer, if the draft pick(s) the Spurs were interested in was this year's 2023 pick, which is much more valuable than the 2024 pick. The timing of the trade seems more like it was the Spurs finally backing off their demands and lowering them because they ran up against the wall that was the trade deadline.
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Re: Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread 

Post#158 » by pingpongrac » Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:25 pm

The Poeltl/OG connection is something I didn't expect to see so frequently. OG is getting wide open threes and easy dunks off of Poeltl feeds which has resulted in OG shooting 12/18 (8/13 on 3FGA and 4/5 on 2FGA) on passes from Poeltl. On the flip side, OG has found Poeltl for a few drop-off passes where Poeltl has converted 6/10 shots. That connection along with the obvious FVV/Poeltl PNR (where Poeltl has done most of his damage and FVV has found more space to either get his own shot off or find an open teammate) has been a huge boost for our offence.
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Post#159 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:27 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Poeltl as a starter with the Raps:

29.3 MIN, 15.4 PPG, 9.8 REB, 2.8 AST, 1.8 STL, 1.8 BLK, .692 FG%, .639 FT%, .691 TS%


10.2 NetRTG

big reason why the starters are winning their minutes

Siakam/Barnes/Poeltl is the most used 3 man lineup since the trade (283 minuets) and it has a 119.3/104.8 +14.5NRTG split.
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Post#160 » by tecumseh18 » Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:30 pm

pingpongrac wrote:The Poeltl/OG connection is something I didn't expect to see so frequently. OG is getting wide open threes and easy dunks off of Poeltl feeds which has resulted in OG shooting 12/18 (8/13 on 3FGA and 4/5 on 2FGA) on passes from Poeltl. On the flip side, OG has found Poeltl for a few drop-off passes where Poeltl has converted 6/10 shots. That connection along with the obvious FVV/Poeltl PNR (where Poeltl has done most of his damage and FVV has found more space to either get his own shot off or find an open teammate) has been a huge boost for our offence.


What it means is that Raps can win handily even when Pascal doesn't score 50, or 40, or 30, or even 20 points.

Which raises the question - what do we need Pascal for? Trading him for a really solid bench starts to look pretty attractive.

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