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drsd wrote:richi_v25 wrote:We lost but it was a good game. It was funny to see Fultz untie Ross shoes before his free throw.
In the Suns feed, the announcers were screaming for a technical foul because of.
Knightro wrote:I know people are sick of me saying this, but it is just so unbelievably hard to win if as a team you don't make threes and you don't make threes if you don't attempt threes.
Bensational wrote:Whoops, misquoted you before.
I looked it up. The Magic are 10-5 when they make 12 or fewer 3 point attempts at 36% or higher. 12.6 is the average 3pm's per team. They had one win against Dallas when they only made 8 3's on 21 attempts.
So pointing back to the other post I misquoted, that would be them winning as a low attempts but high efficiency team as you pointed out.
I think it might be getting overlooked how much of an impact Paolo and Franz's growth will have on the rest of the roster in the future. Tatum and Brown combine for 16.7 3pa's in their 6th and 7th seasons, but in Tatum's rookie season they only combined for 7. Meanwhile Franz and Paolo combine for 8.6. The difference being that Tatum and Brown were hyper efficient, hitting at 43% and 40% respectively, and this season they're both under 35%. Paolo has some work to do to close that gap, but I think he'll get there.
This isn't to say that we can't do better than Fultz, or Harris, or Suggs or whoever. But if we don't replace those guys there is still reason to be optimistic about further improvement from what we already have. We've got a long way to go before we'll be desperate for finding that final championship piece.
pepe1991 wrote:But Magic can't be low volumen, high efficiency 3 point shooting team as long as Fultz, Suggs, Banchero, Wendell sit at career .300 for 3 or lower and all are playing major min.
it's like saying Lakers could have been elite 3 point shooting team if Davis and Westbrook shot 38% for 3 instad of 28%. Sounds good, doesn't work because they couldn't.
This doesn't even take in account that Cole and Franz are just right there around league's average. (and that's where i have issues with Gary Harris who's shooting is so much needed, and yet, there he is, sitting at 4 shots a night, having weeks where he scores 10 points in 3 games total )
JoshuaPotter wrote:pepe1991 wrote:But Magic can't be low volumen, high efficiency 3 point shooting team as long as Fultz, Suggs, Banchero, Wendell sit at career .300 for 3 or lower and all are playing major min.
it's like saying Lakers could have been elite 3 point shooting team if Davis and Westbrook shot 38% for 3 instad of 28%. Sounds good, doesn't work because they couldn't.
This doesn't even take in account that Cole and Franz are just right there around league's average. (and that's where i have issues with Gary Harris who's shooting is so much needed, and yet, there he is, sitting at 4 shots a night, having weeks where he scores 10 points in 3 games total )
We have a 3pt specialist named Gary?
Checks boxscore. My gosh we do....sorta...not really.
I'm agreeing with you pepe if you can't tell.
MagicMatic wrote:JoshuaPotter wrote:pepe1991 wrote:But Magic can't be low volumen, high efficiency 3 point shooting team as long as Fultz, Suggs, Banchero, Wendell sit at career .300 for 3 or lower and all are playing major min.
it's like saying Lakers could have been elite 3 point shooting team if Davis and Westbrook shot 38% for 3 instad of 28%. Sounds good, doesn't work because they couldn't.
This doesn't even take in account that Cole and Franz are just right there around league's average. (and that's where i have issues with Gary Harris who's shooting is so much needed, and yet, there he is, sitting at 4 shots a night, having weeks where he scores 10 points in 3 games total )
We have a 3pt specialist named Gary?
Checks boxscore. My gosh we do....sorta...not really.
I'm agreeing with you pepe if you can't tell.
This draft can solve all of these issues pretty easily.
If the front office isn’t completely inept they should be drafting 2 guys that have the ability to shoot the basketball.
Outside of Wembanyama, the best possible scenario is if the Magic can draft Miller and Wallace.
There are also other guys like Sensabaugh, George, Dick, and Hawkins. I’d even take a gamble on Nick Smith or Hood’s shooting ability.
It’s not that difficult to replace Fultz and Harris.
Bergmaniac wrote: I thought at first that leaving Okogie wide open in the corner because he has been hot from there the few times I watched the Suns this year, but I checked the stats and he's only a 30% shooter from there, so good call by Mosley, which worked pretty well.
Goga looked better than Mo again, maybe he should get more minutes to show what he can do now that the season is pretty much over for us.
Really good game by Fultz offensively, but I can't help but notice that we tend to lose almost every time he has a big scoring game. His 9 top scoring games this season have all been losses. I doubt this factoid would be mentioned in David Steele's "Is this anything?" section any time soon.
Suggs with only 4 shots again, I don't like this, now is the time to develop our young guys.
zaymon wrote:We lost becouse of lack of shooting like many other games.
What some of you suggest.
Demote our best shooter, build around our worst shooter......
Bad Gary Harris, he just stands there and spaces the floor, what a troglodyte. Nobody needs shooters when you can isolate from midrange. I am sure Mosley told Gary to shoot at volume from midrange like Markelle and Paolo but he is just stubborn and stands in the corner to the detriment of the team...... you guys read what you wrote sometimes ?
pepe1991 wrote:zaymon wrote:We lost becouse of lack of shooting like many other games.
What some of you suggest.
Demote our best shooter, build around our worst shooter......
Bad Gary Harris, he just stands there and spaces the floor, what a troglodyte. Nobody needs shooters when you can isolate from midrange. I am sure Mosley told Gary to shoot at volume from midrange like Markelle and Paolo but he is just stubborn and stands in the corner to the detriment of the team...... you guys read what you wrote sometimes ?
Floor spacing exists if player actually takes shots once he gets space.
Gary Harris creates space but almost never shoots, last night you had Chris Paul cheating on defense on multiple occasations because he knew G. Harris simply won't pull a trigger. He spent 27 min to make 2 shots and grab 1 rebound and 1 assist.
He also can't put ball on the floor. He also can't pass. He also can't rebound. He also can't draw f**** fouls to save his life.
In entire nba there are only 14 eligiable "starters" that fit sub 10 points, 3 rebounds and 3 assists.
Problem: majority of those "14 starters" are not actually starters (but started due injuries) and aren't in rotation.
This is whole list of actual starters who are this unproductive:
Gary Harris
Isaac Okoro
Joe Harris
That's a whole list, nobody else is an unproductive and actually started more than 10 games.
LINK : https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?CF=PTS*LE*10:REB*LE*3:AST*LE*3&PlayerExperience=Veteran&StarterBench=Starters&dir=A&sort=GP
You can fam about him as much as you want, he is one of 3 players who are so piss poor in terms of actually contributing to anything tengable.
He isn't complete garbage tho, but he is definition of bench SG, like, play him twice a week for 15 min.
KillMonger wrote:mose made a great decision bringing in goga instead of moe wagner....helped get us back into the game
yoyojw17 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:zaymon wrote:We lost becouse of lack of shooting like many other games.
What some of you suggest.
Demote our best shooter, build around our worst shooter......
Bad Gary Harris, he just stands there and spaces the floor, what a troglodyte. Nobody needs shooters when you can isolate from midrange. I am sure Mosley told Gary to shoot at volume from midrange like Markelle and Paolo but he is just stubborn and stands in the corner to the detriment of the team...... you guys read what you wrote sometimes ?
Floor spacing exists if player actually takes shots once he gets space.
Gary Harris creates space but almost never shoots, last night you had Chris Paul cheating on defense on multiple occasations because he knew G. Harris simply won't pull a trigger. He spent 27 min to make 2 shots and grab 1 rebound and 1 assist.
He also can't put ball on the floor. He also can't pass. He also can't rebound. He also can't draw f**** fouls to save his life.
In entire nba there are only 14 eligiable "starters" that fit sub 10 points, 3 rebounds and 3 assists.
Problem: majority of those "14 starters" are not actually starters (but started due injuries) and aren't in rotation.
This is whole list of actual starters who are this unproductive:
Gary Harris
Isaac Okoro
Joe Harris
That's a whole list, nobody else is an unproductive and actually started more than 10 games.
LINK : https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?CF=PTS*LE*10:REB*LE*3:AST*LE*3&PlayerExperience=Veteran&StarterBench=Starters&dir=A&sort=GP
You can fam about him as much as you want, he is one of 3 players who are so piss poor in terms of actually contributing to anything tengable.
He isn't complete garbage tho, but he is definition of bench SG, like, play him twice a week for 15 min.
If this doesn't seem to change.... I say.... Free Caleb Houstan. I know he's not shy. lol.
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