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Who should be the starting point guard?

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Who should be the starting pg?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:24 am

Fultz
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69%
Cole
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Suggs
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31%
 
Total votes: 42

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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#121 » by yoyojw17 » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:42 pm

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A point guard that does not shoot 3’s, does not get to the line, while simultaneously not getting a lot of assists is an inherently flawed player. You can be deficient at one, but not all three.

I don’t care how many cool athletic plays he makes for himself or how often he hits a mid range jumper. It doesn’t translate into being an effective lead point guard in 2023.

I don’t need to be Jamal Mosley or Jeff Weltman to make these claims. I watch the games.

It’s a simple equation. IF Paolo and Franz are the cornerstones of the future roster THEN Fultz cannot be your starting point guard.

I just find it funny the reaction to this obvious statement is placing blame on shooting guard or bench guys. You are all lying to yourselves because you can’t get past the idea that Fultz doesn’t fit.


I would love to see him get to the line more. Maybe he can get a little more respect from the refs... but the other part is... that he gets great separation from other players. I would love for him to get more physical and mix it up... but more times than not... he's going where he wants to be with his handles, size, and athleticism. And since when does 5.6 assist look bad... when you've got 2 forwards in the starting lineup that want the ball in their hands... a playmaking center... and 2 pg coming off the bench?

The 3's we will see where that goes. needless to I think he will be working on it. I'm just saying... he still has development... and the team hasn't gotten a fair and full shake with him. And yeah... you see what they are doing in the games. But we don't know what practice and training look like. Maybe they do have more trust in certain aspects and the evolution of skills....that others may deem as just straight a lost cause.

As i said in another post.... if we attain a superior PG.... done deal. But i think what bothers me are the ones that try to make him sound like a "crap player" because they want to push their agenda. "Oh... just waive Fultz to get FVV" ... :-/ as though he is an answer. He might... or he might lead our team to nothing more than what we are now.... but on a $30 million/year contract at the age of 30.

With fultz and Paolo's and Franz's recent step backs... they have shown the potential to being a .500 team. The one thing i would love to see... is more assertiveness from harris and the team getting him the ball in the starting lineup. He has what we need.... but is a ghost most of the time.


I don’t care for waiting on a guy that doesn’t do what is necessary at point guard to figure out how to do point guard things. I don’t want the FO to have a reason to pay him $25m+ on his next contract while he’s still “figuring it out”.

I would rather draft a guy that already does those things plus more.

And yeah, I don’t care if we move Gary Harris or find his replacement as well. I was pissed when we handed him a contract and everyone thought I was insane for voicing that opinion. Turns out I called that one too.

Both things can be true. Fultz doesn’t fit with the core and Gary Harris hasn’t been a starting caliber shooting guard for years.

As you said with all of your "I don'ts" ... it doesn't matter what you think. so... just stating why it might not go your way because you're so focused on what you want... though you don't make any decisions at all. Needless to say... F*** yeah... i'm totally down for george ... smith jr. .... dick... pickup. shoot... i would take two guards even... hoping that at least one... or both hits.

AND if that's the case.... we turn Fultz into trade chip of actual value to find the next player. But.... i think some are undervaluing him because he doesn't show what they want "NOW"... but for a first long ... uninjured stretch of NBA play.... he has done great.
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#122 » by VFX » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:46 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:
I would love to see him get to the line more. Maybe he can get a little more respect from the refs... but the other part is... that he gets great separation from other players. I would love for him to get more physical and mix it up... but more times than not... he's going where he wants to be with his handles, size, and athleticism. And since when does 5.6 assist look bad... when you've got 2 forwards in the starting lineup that want the ball in their hands... a playmaking center... and 2 pg coming off the bench?

The 3's we will see where that goes. needless to I think he will be working on it. I'm just saying... he still has development... and the team hasn't gotten a fair and full shake with him. And yeah... you see what they are doing in the games. But we don't know what practice and training look like. Maybe they do have more trust in certain aspects and the evolution of skills....that others may deem as just straight a lost cause.

As i said in another post.... if we attain a superior PG.... done deal. But i think what bothers me are the ones that try to make him sound like a "crap player" because they want to push their agenda. "Oh... just waive Fultz to get FVV" ... :-/ as though he is an answer. He might... or he might lead our team to nothing more than what we are now.... but on a $30 million/year contract at the age of 30.

With fultz and Paolo's and Franz's recent step backs... they have shown the potential to being a .500 team. The one thing i would love to see... is more assertiveness from harris and the team getting him the ball in the starting lineup. He has what we need.... but is a ghost most of the time.


I don’t care for waiting on a guy that doesn’t do what is necessary at point guard to figure out how to do point guard things. I don’t want the FO to have a reason to pay him $25m+ on his next contract while he’s still “figuring it out”.

I would rather draft a guy that already does those things plus more.

And yeah, I don’t care if we move Gary Harris or find his replacement as well. I was pissed when we handed him a contract and everyone thought I was insane for voicing that opinion. Turns out I called that one too.

Both things can be true. Fultz doesn’t fit with the core and Gary Harris hasn’t been a starting caliber shooting guard for years.

As you said with all of your "I don'ts" ... it doesn't matter what you think. so... just stating why it might not go your way because you're so focused on what you want... though you don't make any decisions at all. Needless to say... F*** yeah... i'm totally down for george ... smith jr. .... dick... pickup. shoot... i would take two guards even... hoping that at least one... or both hits.

AND if that's the case.... we turn Fultz into trade chip of actual value to find the next player. But.... i think some are undervaluing him because he doesn't show what they want "NOW"... but for a first long ... uninjured stretch of NBA play.... he has done great.


Well yeah who gives af what a random fan thinks on a message board. I could say that about every post on realgm.

The point remains that if people believe Franz and Paolo are the cornerstones of the franchise, then pulling for paying Fultz to be the lead point guard is stupid.

If you are a fan of the Magic you should be hoping that the back court is upgraded instead of pulling for flawed players that do nothing at an elite level.
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#123 » by basketballRob » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:52 pm

davey_wavy wrote:Sign Primo.
I have a feeling that he'll be back with San Antonio next season. The owners all probably know that San Antonio is giving him the year off with no pay.

The same is true with Miles Bridges, he'll get the year off and be back with the Hornets.

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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#124 » by Bergmaniac » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:53 pm

Fultz has been healthy for a decent stretch and has played reasobnably well, so this offseason would be the perfect time to trade him. If we keep him, we'd have to either extend his contract for more than he's worth (he got a 17 mln. salary when he was worse than he is now and the salary cap was quite a bit lower) or lose him for nothing.
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#125 » by Max Power » Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:41 pm

I think Markelle has earned the right to be our point guard next year and a place on our team beyond. I think he and Wendell are the guys showing leadership on this team. While his numbers aren’t as sexy as some guys want around here, he’s leading a true up and coming squad that improving at a pretty good rate. I’d like to see these guys get a full season under their belt before Markelle’s declared a lost cause, because he’s actually been pretty good when fully healthy. With that being said, if we get pick 2-3 and Scoot Henderson is available, you draft that dude and have Markelle lead the reserves. I can see him being good in either role.
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#126 » by RichCollab » Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:30 am

Max Power wrote:I think Markelle has earned the right to be our point guard next year and a place on our team beyond. I think he and Wendell are the guys showing leadership on this team. While his numbers aren’t as sexy as some guys want around here, he’s leading a true up and coming squad that improving at a pretty good rate. I’d like to see these guys get a full season under their belt before Markelle’s declared a lost cause, because he’s actually been pretty good when fully healthy. With that being said, if we get pick 2-3 and Scoot Henderson is available, you draft that dude and have Markelle lead the reserves. I can see him being good in either role.


Isn’t Scoot flawed? 3pt shot? Scoot would be the end of Fultz as I don’t see how we can have 2 rotational PGs with below average 3pt shooting.
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#127 » by Rainwater » Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:38 am

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Knightro wrote:
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You’re going to love next season when Fultz starts every game and continues to put up solid numbers.


I'm not going to love having an offense that can't crack the top 20 in ORTG, which is where they're gonna be without more 3PT shooting, which they're not gonna get when their primary ball handler doesn't shoot.


Magic fans loved flawed players. It’s in their nature at this point.


So true, lol.
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#128 » by zaymon » Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:54 am

What is this fascination with critically flawed players ? I want to cut ties with Fultz and i dont want anything to do with Henderson.
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#129 » by pepe1991 » Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:46 am

Each and every single current Magic guard is best suited as bench player.

Fultz can't shoot
Suggs can't dribble nor shoot
Cole is trigger happy and lacks playmaking instics
Harris is top 3 least productive nba starter

Houstan is too young to tell but as second round picks you have to moderate expetations
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#130 » by drsd » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:32 am

pepe1991 wrote:Each and every single current Magic guard is best suited as bench player.

Fultz can't shoot
Suggs can't dribble nor shoot
Cole is trigger happy and lacks playmaking instics
Harris is top 3 least productive nba starter

Houstan is too young to tell but as second round picks you have to moderate expetations



Maybe Ben Simmons is available this off-season.


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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#131 » by RichCollab » Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:25 pm

Fultz will put up 10 assists today vs the Clippers.
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#132 » by eyriq » Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:06 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Each and every single current Magic guard is best suited as bench player.

Fultz can't shoot
Suggs can't dribble nor shoot
Cole is trigger happy and lacks playmaking instics
Harris is top 3 least productive nba starter

Houstan is too young to tell but as second round picks you have to moderate expetations


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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#133 » by RichCollab » Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:06 pm

everyone needs to tune in today to watch Markelle “Mr. Orlando Magic” Fultz!
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#134 » by MasterGMer » Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:15 am

Why couldn't Cole become the starting PG? If what we need is spacing and shooting to accompany Franz and Paolo?

Fultz can lead the second unit with his ball handling and play making. He could push the tempo and change the pace in transition with some high flyers.

I do not know why ZERO of you voted for Cole. Cole is a terrific shooter and instant offense. I think he needs a bigger role other than the 6th man of the team. My opinion
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#135 » by eyriq » Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:19 am

MasterGMer wrote:Why couldn't Cole become the starting PG? If what we need is spacing and shooting to accompany Franz and Paolo?

Fultz can lead the second unit with his ball handling and play making. He could push the tempo and change the pace in transition with some high flyers.

I do not know why ZERO of you voted for Cole. Cole is a terrific shooter and instant offense. I think he needs a bigger role other than the 6th man of the team. My opinion
I think we need a defensive oriented, pass first point guard, who can get the ball to Paolo and Franz in positions for them to playmake and create offense. Neither is a quality Cole possesses. He is opposite the guard archetype we need next to Paolo and Franz.
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#136 » by Stormofreign » Sat Mar 25, 2023 2:15 am

RichCollab wrote:Why is this even a poll? Fultz is my starter next season.

Thank you! Some people can’t see the forest for the trees…


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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#137 » by Skybox » Sat Mar 25, 2023 2:46 am

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RichCollab wrote:Why is this even a poll? Fultz is my starter next season.

Thank you! Some people can’t see the forest for the trees…


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Ironic how backwards this is…people getting defensive about their pet tree without acknowledging the negative effect rippling through the forest…a real PG, a quarterback game manager who can spread the floor enough to create lanes for himself and others, who is such a threat that he bends the defense out of their sets…makes all the other players better…best recent example: NYK- Brunson shows up and all of these scrubs are suddenly good players and, more importantly an effective team. Previous: hapless OKC takes in CP3 and their band of misfits start competing.
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#138 » by Bakomagic » Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:43 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
CZ Eddie wrote:How about that. In his next game, it'll be 50 consecutive games for Markell.
This is really his sophomore season.
Or janky Junior season.


oh my lord... :banghead:



[Pokes the bear]. When you think about it….Markelle came out after his freshman year so he’s actually a “Pre-Rookie”

I’ll reserve judgement till 2030, it’s only fair.
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#139 » by pepe1991 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:08 pm

Bakomagic wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
CZ Eddie wrote:How about that. In his next game, it'll be 50 consecutive games for Markell.
This is really his sophomore season.
Or janky Junior season.


oh my lord... :banghead:



[Pokes the bear]. When you think about it….Markelle came out after his freshman year so he’s actually a “Pre-Rookie”

I’ll reserve judgement till 2030, it’s only fair.


Greg oden is still freshmen as well :lol:
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Re: Who should be the starting point guard? 

Post#140 » by Skybox » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:17 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
Bakomagic wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
oh my lord... :banghead:



[Pokes the bear]. When you think about it….Markelle came out after his freshman year so he’s actually a “Pre-Rookie”

I’ll reserve judgement till 2030, it’s only fair.


Greg oden is still freshmen as well :lol:


good point...plenty of miles left on those tires :lol:

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