Is Fred VanFleet still on the agenda?

[pepe1991]

Markelle Fultz *is* a relatively talented player from an individual standpoint. But there’s a difference between a talented player and a valuable one.

He also happens to be a VERY bad fit with the two building blocks the Magic have in place as well as a bad fit for how the modern NBA game is played.

The Magic need to move on from him as the starting PG as quickly as possible IMO.

It’s not going to happen next season. He will be top of 15 pg after next season.

Luka, Harden, Curry, Lillard, Cp3, Haliburton, Fox , SGA, Morant, Holiday, Garland, Irving, Lamelo, Smart, Holiday, Brunson, Trae


That's 17.
To be top 15 he has to be better than at least 2 or 3. Who execlly you would take out and take Fultz over?





Hint, i didn't even count Vleet, D'angelo Russell, Conley, McCullum who are much better and Jaden Ivey who puts up better stats but is still just teenager and rookie. ( or Giddey who "isn't point guard" to some posters but who still can't explain how "not point guard" averages more assists than their beloved "true Point Gowd " Fultz ). Or Lebron for that matter....

[Knightro]

It would be one thing if Fultz was absolutely incredible at everything but shooting and the Magic just needed to surround *him* with more shooting talent to maximize things. But he’s not.

He’s not an elite playmaker. He’s not an elite passer. He’s not an elite defender. He’s not elite at getting to the FT line.

He just not elite at anything.

He’s basically good at three things. He’s a pretty good midrange shooter. He’s a pretty good finisher. And he’s pretty good in transition because his limitations from 3PT are mitigated when he can push the ball and things are helter skelter.

Why is anyone suggesting that the roster should be altered to accommodate Fultz’s shortcomings and liabilities?

Shouldn’t it be the other way around? The roster should be altered to accommodate Paolo and Franz, right?

[Bergmaniac]

I don't want van Vleet and i want Fultz traded.

I want Suggs as starter guard 36 min a night,ball in his hands and in Banchero ones all the time.

Like we did at the start of the season when we went 5-20?

He missed a lot of those games. In the ones he played we were 4-10, which is still pretty bad, but given the injury crisis, hardly a disaster.

[The-Stallion70]

I struggle to see where this Fultz hate is rooted in. So much obsession and hate directed towards the 3rd-4th best player on the 5th worst team in the league.

The front office clearly punted on expectations this season when we gave away some of what little shooting we had on the team in Ross and Bamba.

The Magic are not good because we are young, we lack any all stars (yet) and we lack shooting.

Paolo and Franz are good but let's not trick ourselves into thinking Fultz is holding back Giannis or Embiid. The whole team is developing still.

[drsd]

It would be one thing if Fultz was absolutely incredible at everything but shooting and the Magic just needed to surround *him* with more shooting talent to maximize things. But he’s not.

He’s not an elite playmaker. He’s not an elite passer. He’s not an elite defender. He’s not elite at getting to the FT line.

He just not elite at anything.

He’s basically good at three things. He’s a pretty good midrange shooter. He’s a pretty good finisher. And he’s pretty good in transition because his limitations from 3PT are mitigated when he can push the ball and things are helter skelter.

Why is anyone suggesting that the roster should be altered to accommodate Fultz’s shortcomings and liabilities?

Shouldn’t it be the other way around? The roster should be altered to accommodate Paolo and Franz, right?

I agree with the notion, but not the outcome.

Yes the Magic should not be built around Fultz. But whether Fultz and Carter support F-Wagner and Banchero is another question.

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[eyriq]

It would be one thing if Fultz was absolutely incredible at everything but shooting and the Magic just needed to surround *him* with more shooting talent to maximize things. But he’s not.

He’s not an elite playmaker. He’s not an elite passer. He’s not an elite defender. He’s not elite at getting to the FT line.

He just not elite at anything.

He’s basically good at three things. He’s a pretty good midrange shooter. He’s a pretty good finisher. And he’s pretty good in transition because his limitations from 3PT are mitigated when he can push the ball and things are helter skelter.

Why is anyone suggesting that the roster should be altered to accommodate Fultz’s shortcomings and liabilities?

Shouldn’t it be the other way around? The roster should be altered to accommodate Paolo and Franz, right?

He's pretty good at defense, too. And getting better. This is where his upside is highest IMO

[ogmagicfan]

I struggle to see where this Fultz hate is rooted in. So much obsession and hate directed towards the 3rd-4th best player on the 5th worst team in the league.

The front office clearly punted on expectations this season when we gave away some of what little shooting we had on the team in Ross and Bamba.

The Magic are not good because we are young, we lack any all stars (yet) and we lack shooting.

Paolo and Franz are good but let's not trick ourselves into thinking Fultz is holding back Giannis or Embiid. The whole team is developing still.

He isn't the 3rd best, infact he probably isn't even the 4th best. Probably 5th, maybe 6th.

That's the whole point, he isn't a good enough player and doesn't compliment either of our top 2 players. Who will be here for atleast another decade.

Ah yes because Giannis & Embiid were generational stars in their rookie or sophomore szn. Giannis was developing and Embiid was injured.

Everyone in the NBA knows Paolo & Franz are future NBA stars. They don't have to be Giannis or Embiid for us to build around them. It certainly makes more sense than building around our 5th/6th best player on the team.

Just answer this, considering Fultz game doesn't compliment Paolo or Franz game at all, why should we hold onto a bottom 5 starting PG for?

[ogmagicfan]

It would be one thing if Fultz was absolutely incredible at everything but shooting and the Magic just needed to surround *him* with more shooting talent to maximize things. But he’s not.

He’s not an elite playmaker. He’s not an elite passer. He’s not an elite defender. He’s not elite at getting to the FT line.

He just not elite at anything.

He’s basically good at three things. He’s a pretty good midrange shooter. He’s a pretty good finisher. And he’s pretty good in transition because his limitations from 3PT are mitigated when he can push the ball and things are helter skelter.

Why is anyone suggesting that the roster should be altered to accommodate Fultz’s shortcomings and liabilities?

Shouldn’t it be the other way around? The roster should be altered to accommodate Paolo and Franz, right?

I agree with the notion, but not the outcome.

Yes the Magic should not be built around Fultz. But whether Fultz and Carter support F-Wagner and Banchero is another question.

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That's a bunch of nothings in that statement lol

If you agree with the notion, you believe that Fultz shouldn't be starting and probably shouldn't be on the team anymore. There is no question about if he supports Paolo & Franz. The inital question is THE question.

Paolo & Franz game efficiency and amount of drives per game have dropped due to Fultz coming back. The paint is packed and teams play him like he's Russell Westbrook or Ben Simmons.

There is no scenario where we build around Paolo & Franz and simulataneously keep Fultz.

[pepe1991]

Tuned in Nuggets- Knicks and Brunson has 16 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist in 7 min. This is execlly what Magic need. Lead guard who can take over when Paolo and Franz can't get themselfs going.

[orlando_joe]

Tuned in Nuggets- Knicks and Brunson has 16 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist in 7 min. This is execlly what Magic need. Lead guard who can take over when Paolo and Franz can't get themselfs going.

so what you really want is pg to be best player on the team? because thats what it seems like all your post are about...so why not trade franz and poalo now....you know so magic can have a pg as best player on team....

[CarraT]

Tuned in Nuggets- Knicks and Brunson has 16 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist in 7 min. This is execlly what Magic need. Lead guard who can take over when Paolo and Franz can't get themselfs going.

so what you really want is pg to be best player on the team? because thats what it seems like all your post are about...so why not trade franz and poalo now....you know so magic can have a pg as best player on team....

No need for that. I’m happy with FVV who can shoot, defend, pass, low to rate, veteran.

[Audi]

It would be one thing if Fultz was absolutely incredible at everything but shooting and the Magic just needed to surround *him* with more shooting talent to maximize things. But he’s not.

He’s not an elite playmaker. He’s not an elite passer. He’s not an elite defender. He’s not elite at getting to the FT line.

He just not elite at anything.

He’s basically good at three things. He’s a pretty good midrange shooter. He’s a pretty good finisher. And he’s pretty good in transition because his limitations from 3PT are mitigated when he can push the ball and things are helter skelter.

Why is anyone suggesting that the roster should be altered to accommodate Fultz’s shortcomings and liabilities?

Shouldn’t it be the other way around? The roster should be altered to accommodate Paolo and Franz, right?

Perhaps I’ve missed a few outlier posters but…is anyone actually suggesting this?

The main crux of any meaningful debate regarding Fultz’s future is and always has been between those that have the patience for his final contract year and those that do not…it’s a simple difference of “wait” vs “waive”.

Notably, the “alterations to accommodate Fultz’s shortcomings” are the same alterations that Paolo and Franz currently need: volume 3pt shooting. Fans typically just differ on how to address it.

[Knightro]

Notably, the “alterations to accommodate Fultz’s shortcomings” are the same alterations that Paolo and Franz currently need: volume 3pt shooting. Fans typically just differ on how to address it.

^ You're right. They are the same alterations.

But the difference obviously is that Paolo and Franz aren't going anywhere. By far the most simple solution is to just replace Fultz (and Harris) with higher volume, higher accuracy three point shooters immediately.

Keeping Fultz another year has no tangible benefit.

[The-Stallion70]

Notably, the “alterations to accommodate Fultz’s shortcomings” are the same alterations that Paolo and Franz currently need: volume 3pt shooting. Fans typically just differ on how to address it.

^ You're right. They are the same alterations.

But the difference obviously is that Paolo and Franz aren't going anywhere. By far the most simple solution is to just replace Fultz (and Harris) with higher volume, higher accuracy three point shooters immediately.

Keeping Fultz another year has no tangible benefit.

For the record I would take FVV over Fultz.

But let's not delude ourselves into thinking Fultz is holding back Franz and Paolo from becoming Giannis or Embiid.

[Knightro]

For the record I would take FVV over Fultz.

But let's not delude ourselves into thinking Fultz is holding back Franz and Paolo from becoming Giannis or Embiid.

The Giannis thing is a bit silly for you to say since no one is suggesting that.

But it is very much factual information that Franz and Paolo both see their field goal attempts at the rim and free throw attempts decrease when they share the floor with Fultz because of how much the floor shrinks with a non shooter playing point guard.

[Skybox]

Tuned in Nuggets- Knicks and Brunson has 16 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist in 7 min. This is execlly what Magic need. Lead guard who can take over when Paolo and Franz can't get themselfs going.

so what you really want is pg to be best player on the team? because thats what it seems like all your post are about...so why not trade franz and poalo now....you know so magic can have a pg as best player on team....

The (obvious) point is to upgrade at the most impactful position...based on the emotion-only support of Fultz, you probably would trade the other guys to make him move up the hierarchy...reality is you might as well trade Paolo & Franz if you're not going to put them in a favorable position. Their upsides are so far beyond Fultz', so you choose your foundation pieces and you support them, not throw obstacles in their way...a non-shooting, non-whistle drawing, non-assist racking PG is not a PG.

But show me more dunk highlights.

[MasterGMer]

lol at these comments. Fultz must be saying "How about now?"

[BadMofoPimp]

lol at these comments. Fultz must be saying "How about now?"

After todays game, I am happy with Fultz at $17 mil over Fleet at $30 mil.

[orlando_joe]

Tuned in Nuggets- Knicks and Brunson has 16 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist in 7 min. This is execlly what Magic need. Lead guard who can take over when Paolo and Franz can't get themselfs going.

so what you really want is pg to be best player on the team? because thats what it seems like all your post are about...so why not trade franz and poalo now....you know so magic can have a pg as best player on team....

The (obvious) point is to upgrade at the most impactful position...based on the emotion-only support of Fultz, you probably would trade the other guys to make him move up the hierarchy...reality is you might as well trade Paolo & Franz if you're not going to put them in a favorable position. Their upsides are so far beyond Fultz', so you choose your foundation pieces and you support them, not throw obstacles in their way...a non-shooting, non-whistle drawing, non-assist racking PG is not a PG.

But show me more dunk highlights.

you are so funny...lol...nothing to do with fultz ...haha....its my dislike of fvv...but fultz has looked like best player on the floor last couple of games...i mean 25/9/7 outshines booker and paul....then goes 28/6/4 with 4 steals the next on 17 shots...but he wont shoot the 3 so he is a scrub...just like you wanted to trade the paolo pick for guys like beasley...so funny

[JF5]

I'm just on the side if it's not Scoot Henderson we should keep him as the starting PG. Most players naturally improve their 3 point shooting anyways. If not Fultz then clearly Franz, Paolo, Wendell, and whoever is going to be the future SG of the team who will pick up the slack. And even then contending teams have that one Starter on the court who can't/desnt really shoot 3s.

Fultz has made so many strides from where he was in Philly that him having a somewhat decent 3 point shot in 2-3 years isn't out of the question.

On top of that his defense has been phenomenal. He looks like a legit 2-way player. Hopefully he continues to improve that outside shot.