Value Check: Beal, Brown and Ingram

[NYG]

ABC = ?

Brandon Ingram + ABC for Jaylen Brown

XYZ = ?

Bradley Beal + XYZ for Brandon Ingram


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Beal and Tatum are close friends while Brown seems unhappy with Boston.

So in a 3 team deal...

Beal, ABC + XYZ to Boston
Brown to NOP
Ingram and Gallinari (for cap purposes) to Washington

[Topofthekey]

Cut Pelicans out and make it a straight swap between Celtics and Wizards

[NYG]

Cut Pelicans out and make it a straight swap between Celtics and Wizards

Wiz don't have picks

[Jellybeans]

Cut Pelicans out and make it a straight swap between Celtics and Wizards

Wiz don't have picks

Dont they have if they miss play offs?

[Colbinii]

I have Brown > Beal > Ingram fairly fluidly

[giberish]

Ingram's regression this year has his value down. Probably around Beal (give or take).

Brown looks quite a bit higher than either, though if Boston is certain that he's leaving as a FA (IMO this is very unlikely) in 2024 than that would reduce the gap.

[babyjax13]

Ingram + 3 1sts = Brown
Beal + 2 1sts = Ingram
Beal = expiring $ + 1 1st (might get 2)

That would be about my guess, not that the respective teams would accept these deals for their guys, but I think this is around the value they have.

[Topofthekey]

Ingram + 3 1sts = Brown
Beal + 2 1sts = Ingram
Beal = expiring $ + 1 1st (might get 2)

That would be about my guess, not that the respective teams would accept these deals for their guys, but I think this is around the value they have.

I don't think Brown is worth 5 FRP more than Beal, given that he is going to be an expiring

Especially when you also consider that he seems to want out from his team

[babyjax13]

Ingram + 3 1sts = Brown
Beal + 2 1sts = Ingram
Beal = expiring $ + 1 1st (might get 2)

That would be about my guess, not that the respective teams would accept these deals for their guys, but I think this is around the value they have.

I don't think Brown is worth 5 FRP more than Beal, given that he is going to be an expiring

Especially when you also consider that he seems to want out from his team

I imagine if he gets traded he also gets extended, but if he won't extend, absolutely he's not.

[zimpy27]

Ingram = Brown = Beal+2xFRP

Ingram and Brown are similar price but Ingram is locked up for 3 years and Brown for 1 year.
Beal needs 2xFRPs added to be worth Ingram or Brown because of salary per season and age difference.

[NYG]

Ingram = Brown = Beal+2xFRP

Ingram and Brown are similar price but Ingram is locked up for 3 years and Brown for 1 year.
Beal needs 2xFRPs added to be worth Ingram or Brown because of salary per season and age difference.

Yea I hear ya. But you never know, there may be pressure to put a healthier roster on the floor and find a star that can win games when Zion is inevitably injured. Might want to package Ingram with the (likely) lotto pick' and maybe even Jonas to make a big move for an All Star PG or C.

I'm liking the idea of Herb and Trey being the SFs' more and more. Don't get me wrong a really love Ingram's game but I just struggle to see how the fit with Zion is ever gonna really work. Especially if they both miss half the season every year haha

What would you add in an Ingram for Brown deal?

Hmmmm, I like Brown so I'd be happy to part with Ingram and the Pels lotto pick for sure, assuming the pick lands outside the top 8. But in sure some would say another future first is needed from the Pels

Beal, 7 and 9 to Boston
Brown to New Orleans
Ingram to Washington

[giberish]

Ingram + 3 1sts = Brown
Beal + 2 1sts = Ingram
Beal = expiring $ + 1 1st (might get 2)

That would be about my guess, not that the respective teams would accept these deals for their guys, but I think this is around the value they have.

I don't think Brown is worth 5 FRP more than Beal, given that he is going to be an expiring

Especially when you also consider that he seems to want out from his team

I imagine if he gets traded he also gets extended, but if he won't extend, absolutely he's not.

Unless he's traded to a team with cap space, there's no chance that he gets extended as he'd give up a lot of money compared to playing out next season to become a FA. He certainly could give verbal assurances that he'd sign a 30% max contract with his new team but that wouldn't be binding.

[zimpy27]

Ingram = Brown = Beal+2xFRP

Ingram and Brown are similar price but Ingram is locked up for 3 years and Brown for 1 year.
Beal needs 2xFRPs added to be worth Ingram or Brown because of salary per season and age difference.

What would you add in an Ingram for Brown deal?

Hmmmm, I like Brown so I'd be happy to part with Ingram and the Pels lotto pick for sure, assuming the pick lands outside the top 8. But in sure some would say another future first is needed from the Pels

Beal, 7 and 9 to Boston
Brown to New Orleans
Ingram to Washington

Yeah I just realized Ingram only has 2 years and is doing a bit worse than I thought.

Still, I think Brown and Ingram are similar in value. I'd probably have Ingram plus future FRP as the deal.

[Topofthekey]

I don't think Brown is worth 5 FRP more than Beal, given that he is going to be an expiring

Especially when you also consider that he seems to want out from his team

I imagine if he gets traded he also gets extended, but if he won't extend, absolutely he's not.

Unless he's traded to a team with cap space, there's no chance that he gets extended as he'd give up a lot of money compared to playing out next season to become a FA. He certainly could give verbal assurances that he'd sign a 30% max contract with his new team but that wouldn't be binding.

Doesn't he become BYC and basically untradable if he signs an extension?

Meaning the extension will have to happen after he's traded to his new team?

But he can probably make more as a FA, so the chances of him signing an extension is likely on the low side

Not sure he has that much trade value over Beal really, given the circumstances

[giberish]

I imagine if he gets traded he also gets extended, but if he won't extend, absolutely he's not.

Unless he's traded to a team with cap space, there's no chance that he gets extended as he'd give up a lot of money compared to playing out next season to become a FA. He certainly could give verbal assurances that he'd sign a 30% max contract with his new team but that wouldn't be binding.

Doesn't he become BYC and basically untradable if he signs an extension?

Meaning the extension will have to happen after he's traded to his new team?

But he can probably make more as a FA, so the chances of him signing an extension is likely on the low side

Not sure he has that much trade value over Beal really, given the circumstances

Any extension would be limited to a % increase (I'm not sure what) off of his current deal. As his current deal is (relatively) small he wouldn't get as much as the full 30% max deal he can (and almost certainly will) get as a UFA in 2024. This is true whether or not he signs an extension with Boston or elsewhere and is why I'd be shocked if he did sign an extension. The only exception is if his team has cap space next season (which is very unlikely for any team trading for him), at which point they can offer him an immediate raise in next year's salary and an extension off of that higher number.

Yes I believe that signing an extension would have a 6 month trade restriction or something like that but IMO it's moot as he won't sign an extension for obvious financial reasons.

[NYG]

Ingram = Brown = Beal+2xFRP

Ingram and Brown are similar price but Ingram is locked up for 3 years and Brown for 1 year.
Beal needs 2xFRPs added to be worth Ingram or Brown because of salary per season and age difference.

Hmmmm, I like Brown so I'd be happy to part with Ingram and the Pels lotto pick for sure, assuming the pick lands outside the top 8. But in sure some would say another future first is needed from the Pels

Beal, 7 and 9 to Boston
Brown to New Orleans
Ingram to Washington

Yeah I just realized Ingram only has 2 years and is doing a bit worse than I thought.

Still, I think Brown and Ingram are similar in value. I'd probably have Ingram plus future FRP as the deal.

I kind of like Ingram and 9 for Brown then Beal and 7 for Ingram and Gallo.

That kind of fits for all 3 teams

[babyjax13]

The new CBA will be changing the extension rules, so we will see what that does. But it is probably correct that his contract is going to reduce his value more than I was accounting for.

[Topofthekey]

Unless he's traded to a team with cap space, there's no chance that he gets extended as he'd give up a lot of money compared to playing out next season to become a FA. He certainly could give verbal assurances that he'd sign a 30% max contract with his new team but that wouldn't be binding.

Doesn't he become BYC and basically untradable if he signs an extension?

Meaning the extension will have to happen after he's traded to his new team?

But he can probably make more as a FA, so the chances of him signing an extension is likely on the low side

Not sure he has that much trade value over Beal really, given the circumstances

Any extension would be limited to a % increase (I'm not sure what) off of his current deal. As his current deal is (relatively) small he wouldn't get as much as the full 30% max deal he can (and almost certainly will) get as a UFA in 2024. This is true whether or not he signs an extension with Boston or elsewhere and is why I'd be shocked if he did sign an extension. The only exception is if his team has cap space next season (which is very unlikely for any team trading for him), at which point they can offer him an immediate raise in next year's salary and an extension off of that higher number.

Yes I believe that signing an extension would have a 6 month trade restriction or something like that but IMO it's moot as he won't sign an extension for obvious financial reasons.

Correct. Basically similar to the renegotiate and extend scenario between Turner and Pacers

An extension is unlikely to be in play, in a trade involving Brown. I really don't think he has too much more trade value than Beal currently

[cgf]

I'm thinking I'd go: Brown > Beal > Ingram

I get the point about contracts, but this is the NBA. Just because you can't sign a new contract with Brown early doesn't mean you can't find out his intentions from his agent, and if he'll accept a max offer from the team that acquires him, his value won't be affected much by it. Things would change if Jaylen was actively veto'ing trades to teams he didn't want to re-sign with.

However, I can certainly see some teams preferring Beal because he's more proven as a #1 option and I do think he's right around the lower limit of a title-caliber #1...so a team that he would be a great fit for, could be more interested in pursuing him than Brown even though Brown should have more value in a vacuum.

Just as an example, I'd rather turn RJ into Brown and feel confident that we'd be able to re-sign Jaylen if we acquired him. But I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if our FO preferred Beal because he should be a better fit as the #1 option to Randle & Brunson for the next 3-4 years...especially if we picked up a bigger 3&D guy like DFS using Toppin + FRP.