Amen & Ausar Thompson - Potential 2022 NBA Draft Guys

[Big J]

you could just say you're being hypocritical af and save everyone the trouble here tbh.

Shocker another critique against a poster instead of talking about a player.

If you don't want people to analyze and critique prospects you might be on the wrong realgm board.

What are your critiques of Ausar or Amen?

you don't need to change the subject - this is about how YOU made a point to downplay Scoot's stats in the GL, but somehow feel comfortable enough pimping Ausar's OTE stats around enough to comp him to Scottie **** Pippen.

if you think the GL is an easy program and its stats are worthless, it's impossible not to have the same take about the OTE, but even worse.

i'm not in this thread critiquing any player, just make sure sure the hypocrisy here is outlined the next time you bitch about Scoot's stats in the GL in his thread.

You never answered his question.

[JMAC3]

you could just say you're being hypocritical af and save everyone the trouble here tbh.

Shocker another critique against a poster instead of talking about a player.

If you don't want people to analyze and critique prospects you might be on the wrong realgm board.

What are your critiques of Ausar or Amen?

you don't need to change the subject - this is about how YOU made a point to downplay Scoot's stats in the GL, but somehow feel comfortable enough pimping Ausar's OTE stats around enough to comp him to Scottie **** Pippen.

if you think the GL is an easy program and its stats are worthless, it's impossible not to have the same take about the OTE, but even worse.

i'm not in this thread critiquing any player, just make sure sure the hypocrisy here is outlined the next time you bitch about Scoot's stats in the GL in his thread.

Sigh... what I said about Scoot is that I thought his numbers would go down in the college game based on other guys seeing a bump in numbers from college to gleague. I would expect it to go both ways. If that logic is broken to you then so be it.

I said Ausar might be the closest thing to Scottie Pippen we have seen. It is not as if I am claiming he is Scottie Pippen and a lock to be a top 25 player ever, if I felt that strongly I would probably have him #1 on my board.

[clyde21]

Shocker another critique against a poster instead of talking about a player.

If you don't want people to analyze and critique prospects you might be on the wrong realgm board.

What are your critiques of Ausar or Amen?

you don't need to change the subject - this is about how YOU made a point to downplay Scoot's stats in the GL, but somehow feel comfortable enough pimping Ausar's OTE stats around enough to comp him to Scottie **** Pippen.

if you think the GL is an easy program and its stats are worthless, it's impossible not to have the same take about the OTE, but even worse.

i'm not in this thread critiquing any player, just make sure sure the hypocrisy here is outlined the next time you bitch about Scoot's stats in the GL in his thread.

Sigh... what I said about Scoot is that I thought his numbers would go down in the college game based on other guys seeing a bump in numbers from college to gleague. I would expect it to go both ways. If that logic is broken to you then so be it.

I said Ausar might be the closest thing to Scottie Pippen we have seen. It is not as if I am claiming he is Scottie Pippen and a lock to be a top 25 player ever, if I felt that strongly I would probably have him #1 on my board.

so would Ausar's numbers go down in college too?

[JMAC3]

you don't need to change the subject - this is about how YOU made a point to downplay Scoot's stats in the GL, but somehow feel comfortable enough pimping Ausar's OTE stats around enough to comp him to Scottie **** Pippen.

if you think the GL is an easy program and its stats are worthless, it's impossible not to have the same take about the OTE, but even worse.

i'm not in this thread critiquing any player, just make sure sure the hypocrisy here is outlined the next time you bitch about Scoot's stats in the GL in his thread.

Sigh... what I said about Scoot is that I thought his numbers would go down in the college game based on other guys seeing a bump in numbers from college to gleague. I would expect it to go both ways. If that logic is broken to you then so be it.

I said Ausar might be the closest thing to Scottie Pippen we have seen. It is not as if I am claiming he is Scottie Pippen and a lock to be a top 25 player ever, if I felt that strongly I would probably have him #1 on my board.

so would Ausar's numbers go down in college too?

Potentially, I do not believe anyone has gone from OTE to college yet, should be more data we can analyze in the next year or 2 on that.

[clyde21]

Sigh... what I said about Scoot is that I thought his numbers would go down in the college game based on other guys seeing a bump in numbers from college to gleague. I would expect it to go both ways. If that logic is broken to you then so be it.

I said Ausar might be the closest thing to Scottie Pippen we have seen. It is not as if I am claiming he is Scottie Pippen and a lock to be a top 25 player ever, if I felt that strongly I would probably have him #1 on my board.

so would Ausar's numbers go down in college too?

Potentially, I do not believe anyone has gone from OTE to college yet, should be more data we can analyze in the next year or 2 on that.

so why are you comfortable making the assumption about Scoot but not Ausar?

[Big J]

so would Ausar's numbers go down in college too?

Potentially, I do not believe anyone has gone from OTE to college yet, should be more data we can analyze in the next year or 2 on that.

so why are you comfortable making the assumption about Scoot but not Ausar?

He already explained that to you. Try to keep up.

[Big J]

The twins actually have a better first step than Pippen or Iggy ever did. Not saying they are better than them, just that they have some better traits.

[JMAC3]

so would Ausar's numbers go down in college too?

Potentially, I do not believe anyone has gone from OTE to college yet, should be more data we can analyze in the next year or 2 on that.

so why are you comfortable making the assumption about Scoot but not Ausar?

Because we have hundreds of guys that went on to score more in the Gleague then they did in college.

My guess is the twins #'s would go down in college, but I feel like that is more of a guess. Where the Gleague I can probably pull a random sample of 50 guys that were drafted 80% or so will fit the script of scoring avg going up.

Rob Dillingham, Trey Parker, Kanaan Carlyle, Gibbs-Lawhorn and Isaiah Coleman will be a good first group to see how they fair in college after OTE experience. They are top 100 recruits heading to Kentucky, NC State, Stanford, Illinois and College of Charleston (tourney team). Then the following year probably another 10-15 more going from OTE to power 5 schools.

[Hal14]

watching game 1 of OTE finals. Not only did Ausar greatly improve his outside shot in the OTE playoffs, but in this game he's showing better creativity with off the dribble moves to get by his man as well as improved finishing near the basket.

Had 1 play where he created separation off the bounce, was met with 2 help defenders so literally had 3 defenders around him - made a little head fake, leaned in - away from the defenders, towards the baseline and banked in the shot, smooth.

[JMAC3]

Rob Dillingham, Trey Parker, Kanaan Carlyle, Gibbs-Lawhorn and Isaiah Coleman will be a good first group to see how they fair in college after OTE experience. They are top 100 recruits heading to Kentucky, NC State, Stanford, Illinois and College of Charleston (tourney team). Then the following year probably another 10-15 more going from OTE to power 5 schools.

Also Freddie Dilone and TyLaur Johnson are both top 100 guys going to Tenn and Memphis next year. Probably missing a few others. But the takes that the OTE league has no talent is pretty funny one to me.

Most teams have 3-4 players that are top 150 recruits. Which would be a top 25 recruiting class for most schools in the country.

Plus 2 more guys that are projected first round picks in next years draft by ESPN.

Edit: top 25 was conservative. Tenn alone is 9th for next year with Dilone (39th overall), one other top 100 guy and a few 4 stars.

[EvanZ]

I really don't put a lot of stock in wingspan measurements from 30 years ago. Is there a link to combine results or are you just going with whatever google is saying?

Dude, it's not wingspan measurements from 30 years ago. It's literally that I watched Scottie Pippen play basketball. Did you?

As for Ausar and Amen I have their measurements from the same source I get all of mine. Ausar has a 6'10" ws from last year. This is not from google or "the internet".

You are saying you watched him play and eyeballed a 7-3 wingspan? You are more talented than I am.

I am mainly saying wingspan data is not really that accurate unless it is official combine measurements.. regarding Thompson twins.

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not that hard to gauge wingspan after years and years of paying attention. For example, I was just watching the 1982 NCAA title game and immediately could tell Sam Perkins had an incredible wingspan. Must be 7'5"+ (Google references say 7'6", so I was spot on). It's very obvious when a dude has incredible length. Pippen clearly had incredible length. The Thompson twins? Not so much. I don't need measurements to tell me that.

Watch on YouTube

[JMAC3]

Dude, it's not wingspan measurements from 30 years ago. It's literally that I watched Scottie Pippen play basketball. Did you?

As for Ausar and Amen I have their measurements from the same source I get all of mine. Ausar has a 6'10" ws from last year. This is not from google or "the internet".

You are saying you watched him play and eyeballed a 7-3 wingspan? You are more talented than I am.

I am mainly saying wingspan data is not really that accurate unless it is official combine measurements.. regarding Thompson twins.

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not that hard to gauge wingspan after years and years of paying attention. For example, I was just watching the 1982 NCAA title game and immediately could tell Sam Perkins had an incredible wingspan. Must be 7'5"+ (Google references say 7'6", so I was spot on). It's very obvious when a dude has incredible length. Pippen clearly had incredible length. The Thompson twins? Not so much. I don't need measurements to tell me that.

Watch on YouTube

I kept waiting for a "I'm Jk, here is the link to his official measurements page" it never came. Have you ever thought about taking this talent on the road to carnivals?

Quick, what is Noah Clowney wingspan?

[EvanZ]

7'2"? 7'3"?

I understand being off by 1 or 2 inches, but if you can't tell the difference between 6'10" and 7'3" wingspan, you're not watching closely enough.

[JMAC3]

7'2"? 7'3"?

I understand being off by 1 or 2 inches, but if you can't tell the difference between 6'10" and 7'3" wingspan, you're not watching closely enough.

Yeah I am just not as talented. I have never been watching a Hornets game and thought to myself Terry Rozier wingspan has to be over 6-8 or that PJ washington had to be 7-2.

[EvanZ]

7'2"? 7'3"?

I understand being off by 1 or 2 inches, but if you can't tell the difference between 6'10" and 7'3" wingspan, you're not watching closely enough.

Yeah I am just not as talented. I have never been watching a Hornets game and thought to myself Terry Rozier wingspan has to be over 6-8 or that PJ washington had to be 7-2.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you watching for then? These are basic scouting 101 type details. Physical tools are the *easiest* things to gauge. I can't imagine how much difficulty you must have with more intangible things.

[Big J]

7'2"? 7'3"?

I understand being off by 1 or 2 inches, but if you can't tell the difference between 6'10" and 7'3" wingspan, you're not watching closely enough.

Yeah I am just not as talented. I have never been watching a Hornets game and thought to myself Terry Rozier wingspan has to be over 6-8 or that PJ washington had to be 7-2.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you watching for then? These are basic scouting 101 type details. Physical tools are the *easiest* things to gauge. I can't imagine how much difficulty you must have with more intangible things.

I think it can be hard to tell with guys that have long wingspans but still play **** defense. You don't notice the long wingspan in that case.

[EvanZ]

Even if that's true, it's definitely not the case with Pippen lol. The dude's arms were everywhere on the court. He was the literal embodiment of Everything Everywhere All At Once.

[JMAC3]

7'2"? 7'3"?

I understand being off by 1 or 2 inches, but if you can't tell the difference between 6'10" and 7'3" wingspan, you're not watching closely enough.

Yeah I am just not as talented. I have never been watching a Hornets game and thought to myself Terry Rozier wingspan has to be over 6-8 or that PJ washington had to be 7-2.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you watching for then? These are basic scouting 101 type details. Physical tools are the *easiest* things to gauge. I can't imagine how much difficulty you must have with more intangible things.

Skill level? The combine will tell me the guys size and length. No reason to die on an eyetest when I can physically be proven wrong.

I look for a guys ability to read the game. Are they picking their spots good, are they getting others involved, are they realizing they are in the bonus early and looking for contact, are they locked in on defense, are they being a leader, are they a ball stopper.

Along with the normal things that pop off the tape like speed, shooting ability, passing, defensive tools.

How a guy plays in the final 3 mins of a game matters heavily for me.
Hence Brandon Miller, Thompson twins, JHS all being guys I like.... they all have had huge moments when the game mattered the most.

Whereas guys like Nick Smith Jr. are getting benched when it matters most.

[EvanZ]

Yeah I am just not as talented. I have never been watching a Hornets game and thought to myself Terry Rozier wingspan has to be over 6-8 or that PJ washington had to be 7-2.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you watching for then? These are basic scouting 101 type details. Physical tools are the *easiest* things to gauge. I can't imagine how much difficulty you must have with more intangible things.

Skill level? The combine will tell me the guys size and length. No reason to die on an eyetest when I can physically be proven wrong.

Half the guys in the first round won't get measured. So then what do you do?

[JMAC3]

Even if that's true, it's definitely not the case with Pippen lol. The dude's arms were everywhere on the court. He was the literal embodiment of Everything Everywhere All At Once.

Yeah you are starting to back off and become much more generalized. Can I tell if Kawhi or Gobert has a long wingspan? sure

But you were making it out to be like Scottie Pippen with a 7-3 wingspan was a virtual lock for the common eye. For all I know it could be 7-0 which is great still, but you are talking about it being 5 inches bigger as if both are complete knowns.

Hell, watching the Thompson Twins play it wouldn't shock me if their wingspans are larger than expected. They both are menaces in passings lanes and they glide through the air and dunk like they are giving 10% effort. I doubt they are doing all that with "bad wingspans".