Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Yallbecrazy]

Pod entering is good. Added depth for draft

You say depth, I say overlooked lottery talent.

[BoyzNTheHood]

We should get a good player no matter how disappointing some guys are finishing their seasons. There are gems available, and even if those gems are picked before us there are solid seniors that will make excellent role players on our roster and add depth.

[Rapsfan07]

Pod entering is good. Added depth for draft

Love Pod. I think he's a Top 20-25 pick at minimum by the time it's all said and done.

[ItsDanger]

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I like Walsh but he's a negative offensively currently. Perfectly suited for team with key pieces already in place. High BBIQ player with elite potential defense.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Walsh will have another chance to really prove himself tomorrow by trying to shut down Uconn's perimeter offense.

[BoyzNTheHood]

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I like Walsh but he's a negative offensively currently. Perfectly suited for team with key pieces already in place. High BBIQ player with elite potential defense.

He and Kaluma were my original picks but dropped off a bit during the season. Still, he’s a staunch defender and I hope he has a long career in the NBA. But as of now I don’t see him projecting as more than a Andre Roberson type.

[Yallbecrazy]

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I like Walsh but he's a negative offensively currently. Perfectly suited for team with key pieces already in place. High BBIQ player with elite potential defense.

After looking at his stats all I can say is meh. Decent defending and rebounding stats, but nothing special, and mediocre offensive stats. Nothing that comes close to standing out, or even I can say is good, but at least nothing that's a prominent red flag. If his measurables and athleticism are good I would take a mid 2nd flier on him and hope he develops into a solid role player.

[Mark_83]

I hope Kugel enters. Gives us another interesting player to consider in the teens or if we add a pick.

[WuTang_CMB]

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I like Walsh but he's a negative offensively currently. Perfectly suited for team with key pieces already in place. High BBIQ player with elite potential defense.

After looking at his stats all I can say is meh. Decent defending and rebounding stats, but nothing special, and mediocre offensive stats. Nothing that comes close to standing out, or even I can say is good, but at least nothing that's a prominent red flag. If his measurables and athleticism is good I would take a mid 2nd flier on him and hope he develops into a solid role player.

Another precious. Might be a good pick late 1st but not at 15

[bballsparkin]

If the Raptors got to choose between Black and Wallace that would be a good thing no? I'd gladly take either player on the team.

Don't care for the upside of Wallace but I'd rather have him. If we had decent shooters I would rather have Black. Given the fact we're gonna be a win now team I don't tihnk a non-shooting pg is gonna get much burn on the roster

Is Black's shooting that bad? I'm a join in March kinda NCAA guy. I'll be watching the Arkansas vs Ucon game tomorrow. Tough choice that one and Michigan but I want to watch Arkansas.

[BoyzNTheHood]

If the Raptors got to choose between Black and Wallace that would be a good thing no? I'd gladly take either player on the team.

Don't care for the upside of Wallace but I'd rather have him. If we had decent shooters I would rather have Black. Given the fact we're gonna be a win now team I don't tihnk a non-shooting pg is gonna get much burn on the roster

Is Black's shooting that bad? I'm a join in March kinda NCAA guy. I'll be watching the Arkansas vs Ucon game tomorrow. Tough choice that one and Michigan but I want to watch Arkansas.

30% from 3 and below 70% from the free throw line. He has a lot of work to do. He’s an Achiuwa level shooter in the NCAA, which is obviously horrible.

[bballsparkin]

Achiuwa level? lol Ouch.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Achiuwa level? lol Ouch.

It’s bad lol and even though he’s still one of my
favourite prospects this year because of everything else he does, I can’t sugar coat the shooting woes.

[ArthurVandelay]

I disagree that our problem is depth, I said multiple times, our problem is starter!
And I see no tax in the future, that is your assumption, and assume we can't make a trade before we predicted to be a tax team. Every team will go through players being FA, not seeing why our team has to be afraid of it and trade players ahead of time.

As for this year issue, when we have Barnes starting who costs us games (particularly on the defensive end), that is not lack of depth nor fluke, but we are having our bench starting. Trent is another one where many believe he should come off the bench. Having Poeltl (borderline starter) makes us better. And trading OG for picks (further removing starting quality players) will probably make us worse.

Pretty sure the starting unit with Poeltl is top 5 net rating.

The (what I assume were) Raptor leaks made clear they want established, controllable young players over picks. I think in the right combination OG could provide both picks and players.

If the Raptors bring everyone back plus their first round pick, they are a tax team next year. That factors Poeltl at $20m and FVV and Gary taking their player option (when in reality they are likely opting out and looking for larger starting salary than their options). No assumption, that’s fact: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/toronto-raptors/cap/2023/

Your assumption is that OG doesn't need salary in return, no?
If there is salary in return for OG, we are also above the tax, no?

Meanwhile, if you are including Poeltl, then we have excessive bench players right? How is our problem being lack of depth? And we are paying 16m for Trent to come off the bench? The total bench salary is Trent (16m) + Boucher (11m) + Young (8m) + Porter (6m) + Achiuwa (4m) + Flynn (3m), which is more than a max contract player? So we are into tax because we pay 1/4 salary to the bench?

Team could spread OG’s salary elsewhere with younger productive players on rookie contracts for depth. Also who said they couldn’t trade other players or not bring back Thad?

You seem very committed to returning this team. I don’t understand but I’m more than willing to agree to disagree. Time will tell. They added a C and truly gave this team a chance, and they just aren’t that good right now.

Anyways, we derailed the draft thread. Back to my original thought: if Raptors want to move up in the draft, there is an opportunity to do so with OG…or Siakam but I just don’t see him getting traded.

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Pretty sure the starting unit with Poeltl is top 5 net rating.

The (what I assume were) Raptor leaks made clear they want established, controllable young players over picks. I think in the right combination OG could provide both picks and players.

If the Raptors bring everyone back plus their first round pick, they are a tax team next year. That factors Poeltl at $20m and FVV and Gary taking their player option (when in reality they are likely opting out and looking for larger starting salary than their options). No assumption, that’s fact: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/toronto-raptors/cap/2023/

Your assumption is that OG doesn't need salary in return, no?
If there is salary in return for OG, we are also above the tax, no?

Meanwhile, if you are including Poeltl, then we have excessive bench players right? How is our problem being lack of depth? And we are paying 16m for Trent to come off the bench? The total bench salary is Trent (16m) + Boucher (11m) + Young (8m) + Porter (6m) + Achiuwa (4m) + Flynn (3m), which is more than a max contract player? So we are into tax because we pay 1/4 salary to the bench?

Team could spread OG’s salary elsewhere with younger productive players on rookie contracts for depth. Also who said they couldn’t trade other players or not bring back Thad?

You seem very committed to returning this team. I don’t understand but I’m more than willing to agree to disagree. Time will tell. They added a C and truly gave this team a chance, and they just aren’t that good right now.

Anyways, we derailed the draft thread. Back to my original thought: if Raptors want to move up in the draft, there is an opportunity to do so with OG…or Siakam but I just don’t see him getting traded.

I am not very committed to returning this team, but I don't think the salary and roster spot works. You take back salary on a trade, which one of your reasons is to avoid the tax, then trading OG wouldn't make much sense. And your reason that we need picks, which also contradict you are patient and want to win, as the current issue is that we got too many developing players which isn't a starter level.

I just think your solution doesn't address the issue. I get you want change, but the direction doesn't seem to fulfill the result that you are looking for.

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Don't care for the upside of Wallace but I'd rather have him. If we had decent shooters I would rather have Black. Given the fact we're gonna be a win now team I don't tihnk a non-shooting pg is gonna get much burn on the roster

Is Black's shooting that bad? I'm a join in March kinda NCAA guy. I'll be watching the Arkansas vs Ucon game tomorrow. Tough choice that one and Michigan but I want to watch Arkansas.

30% from 3 and below 70% from the free throw line. He has a lot of work to do. He’s an Achiuwa level shooter in the NCAA, which is obviously horrible.

My comparison is Banton, maybe better than Banton in shooting (and younger obviously)?
So far I see from highlights, I see Black being a downhill guard than able to turn the corner (teams go under), perhaps someone can correct me.

[Indeed]

Was high on nembhard last year. Totally outplayed FVV.

Need guard depth. Cason pls

I would like to see if Cissoko can be one of those projected as connectors, but I feel we need quickness with ball penetration, so even I am not very interested in Smith / George with their passing, but we may need someone with that ability for closing games.

[OakleyDokely]

I hope Kugel enters. Gives us another interesting player to consider in the teens or if we add a pick.

Once he started to get consistent minutes, his numbers were impressive.

Over his last 10 games, he put up 17 PPG in 32 minutes with shooting splits of 50/40/67

[alpngso]

9th worst odds as 10th seed with 20% chance at top 4 and 4.5% top 1 within reach.

Maybe Raps will disappoint us even more by losing next three at home to be leapfrogged by the Pacers.