Is Fred VanFleet still on the agenda?

[cedric76]

4 unprotected picks mean : 2023,2025,2027 and 2029 timespan. And you are here , sitting, with straight face, claiming you have any clue who will be top tear contenders and who will be bottom feeders in 2025 let alone 2027 and 2029 to determine witch pick is more valuable than other?

4 out of 6 top 3 teams from three years ago are bound to miss playoffs of play in playin tournament.

This is objectivlly most outrageus, silly, out of touch comment somebody here ever replyed to me. Fact that you think you know that some random Bucks 2029 picks is " way less valuable" than Magic pick 6 years in advance is epic. For all the wrong reasons.

Also you claimed "nobody" trades uprotected picks, because you forgot several were traded 12 days ago

Pepe, peping again, nothing was traded 12 days ago as trade deadline was over a month ago.

And who was the bottom team trading multiple unprotected FRP?

Yeah exactly, none.

Please stop peping

nba.com front page February 9th, 2023.

In pepe s World, 9 the of Feb was 12 days ago and in that world the sun's, a bottom team traded multiple unprotected draft picks

Lol

Pepe keeps on peping

Sorry, wasted too much time with your nonsense, I added you to my foe list.

I won't have to see your negative comments and lies anymore

Farewell

[pepe1991]

ditto cedric, can't wait to not watch your " ur wrong " comments any more.

And "sorry " that i confused February to March, because to your claim " nobody trades unprotected picks" but 45 days ago in your world was few centuries ago

[AdamTheGreek]

Let someone else pay $20+ mil. per season for Fred. He’s not going to improve and it’s very likely that injuries will rapidly increase his decline.

Sorry, but that's nonsense.

You can't say with even the slightest modicum of foresight that he wont improve and that injuries will force his decline.

There's no template for how players age and no crystal ball you can claim to have access to.

There is a template over the last 30 years for 6’2” or smaller guards…and it’s not pretty. There is a rapid decline once these guys hit 30. FVV is 29 and has massive injury concerns that will only increase.
CP3 is the one exception.

We’ll see how the playoffs go, but I’d rather take the cap space and go after Brown or Bane via trade in the offseason. Maybe Luka will want out. If you invest that much money in FVV, there’s no much maneuvering you can do to get better.

I’m very disappointed in how undervalued Fultz is on this board.

[Knightro]

I’m very disappointed in how undervalued Fultz is on this board.

I would argue that he's actually most likely overvalued by a good chunk of this board

[eyriq]

Let someone else pay $20+ mil. per season for Fred. He’s not going to improve and it’s very likely that injuries will rapidly increase his decline.

Sorry, but that's nonsense.

You can't say with even the slightest modicum of foresight that he wont improve and that injuries will force his decline.

There's no template for how players age and no crystal ball you can claim to have access to.

There is a template over the last 30 years for 6’2” or smaller guards…and it’s not pretty. There is a rapid decline once these guys hit 30. FVV is 29 and has massive injury concerns that will only increase.
CP3 is the one exception.

We’ll see how the playoffs go, but I’d rather take the cap space and go after Brown or Bane via trade in the offseason. Maybe Luka will want out. If you invest that much money in FVV, there’s no much maneuvering you can do to get better.

I’m very disappointed in how undervalued Fultz is on this board.

Re Fultz: He's arguably our MVP looking at box score stats. But at the same time he's one of the worst starting point guards in the league looking at the same box score stats. Then you look at RPM and lineup performances and you see that he doesn't make us better. It's a fascinating evaluation.

[Knightro]

Re Fultz: He's arguably our MVP looking at box score stats. But at the same time he's one of the worst starting point guards in the league looking at the same box score stats. Then you look at RPM and lineup performances and you see that he doesn't make us better. It's a fascinating evaluation.

Stop it lol.

[eyriq]

Re Fultz: He's arguably our MVP looking at box score stats. But at the same time he's one of the worst starting point guards in the league looking at the same box score stats. Then you look at RPM and lineup performances and you see that he doesn't make us better. It's a fascinating evaluation.

Stop it lol.

[drsd]

Re Fultz: He's arguably our MVP looking at box score stats. But at the same time he's one of the worst starting point guards in the league looking at the same box score stats. Then you look at RPM and lineup performances and you see that he doesn't make us better. It's a fascinating evaluation.

By PER, PIE, VORP, or whatever, Carter is Orlando's best player.
Nobody here would actually accept that.

Said another way relevant to this thread: I believe that VanVleet is having a better year this year than any Magician is.

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[yoyojw17]

Kinda crazy month for FVV

21.5 pnt 9.1 asst 3.3 rbs 2.5 st on 44% shooting and 39% from 3

tis a great month. But he either had an efficient game or bad game and they wond all the game he shot 44% and above... and lost the others.

We'll see what happens this summer!

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2991230/fred-vanvleet

[Skybox]

Re Fultz: He's arguably our MVP looking at box score stats. But at the same time he's one of the worst starting point guards in the league looking at the same box score stats. Then you look at RPM and lineup performances and you see that he doesn't make us better. It's a fascinating evaluation.

Stop it lol.

Watching the end of the WAS victory, Fultz really came through in the end and it struck that his skillset is more Patrick Ewing than Chris Paul. We already have a PF and he's a lot bigger

[Bergmaniac]

Let someone else pay $20+ mil. per season for Fred. He’s not going to improve and it’s very likely that injuries will rapidly increase his decline.

Sorry, but that's nonsense.

You can't say with even the slightest modicum of foresight that he wont improve and that injuries will force his decline.

There's no template for how players age and no crystal ball you can claim to have access to.

There is a template over the last 30 years for 6’2” or smaller guards…and it’s not pretty. There is a rapid decline once these guys hit 30. FVV is 29 and has massive injury concerns that will only increase.
CP3 is the one exception.

Lowry is another clear exception off the top of my head. Mike Conley had his best season statistically when he was 31 and remained at near prime level for another 2 seasons. Hell, even Curry is 6'2" and he's doing fantastic at 25.

[MasterGMer]

Any update on FVV’s recent games?

Can’t wait for the summer already


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[thelead]

From a completely anecdotal perspective, every time I catch part of a Toronto game to watch him, he's bricking shots, dribbling the air out of the ball, and looking like bad Cole

[MasterGMer]

We may not go after FVV, I just wanna know how we going to use our cap space? Cause in two years, we have rookie extension and there wouldn't be cap space any more (Only bird right)

[Last Guardian]

If our fanbase is so polar on Fultz, why not advocating the idea of starting Cole? Cole can shoot and is a immediate offense.

Is it polar? Just seems like the vocal minority chirping the loudest. It’s the same for essentially every debate on the internet.

[ogmagicfan]

Let someone else pay $20+ mil. per season for Fred. He’s not going to improve and it’s very likely that injuries will rapidly increase his decline.

Sorry, but that's nonsense.

You can't say with even the slightest modicum of foresight that he wont improve and that injuries will force his decline.

There's no template for how players age and no crystal ball you can claim to have access to.

There is a template over the last 30 years for 6’2” or smaller guards…and it’s not pretty. There is a rapid decline once these guys hit 30. FVV is 29 and has massive injury concerns that will only increase.
CP3 is the one exception.

We’ll see how the playoffs go, but I’d rather take the cap space and go after Brown or Bane via trade in the offseason. Maybe Luka will want out. If you invest that much money in FVV, there’s no much maneuvering you can do to get better.

I’m very disappointed in how undervalued Fultz is on this board.

There isn't a template, most players decline after 30. Players of the caliber of a player like FVV tend not to on the cusp of turning 30. FVV's game isn't predicated on athleticism, so aging won't hurt his game close to as much as the average NBA player.

It's funny you say CP3 is the exception, considering an easy example is Kyle Lowry, who played with FVV & won a chip at age 32. He's also an inch shorter.

I've seen way too many posters suggest we our cap space in a trade and I think there's a misunderstanding about how trades work. Contracts in trades must match within 125% of what's being sent. We can't use our cap space in a trade, except for future years, which would be a grave mismangement of cap space if we didn't use that cap space first to sign someone.

If we were to make a trade for Bane or Brown, getting FVV in free agency wouldn't prevent that from happening... at all. If anything it would make it easier since his contract could be used to match contracts more easily.

[Bensational]

I've seen way too many posters suggest we our cap space in a trade and I think there's a misunderstanding about how trades work. Contracts in trades must match within 125% of what's being sent. We can't use our cap space in a trade, except for future years, which would be a grave mismangement of cap space if we didn't use that cap space first to sign someone.
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That’s not the case. If a team has enough room under the cap they can trade for a player without sending anything back. Salaries only have to match if a team is over the cap.

[MasterGMer]

Sorry, but that's nonsense.

You can't say with even the slightest modicum of foresight that he wont improve and that injuries will force his decline.

There's no template for how players age and no crystal ball you can claim to have access to.

There is a template over the last 30 years for 6’2” or smaller guards…and it’s not pretty. There is a rapid decline once these guys hit 30. FVV is 29 and has massive injury concerns that will only increase.
CP3 is the one exception.

We’ll see how the playoffs go, but I’d rather take the cap space and go after Brown or Bane via trade in the offseason. Maybe Luka will want out. If you invest that much money in FVV, there’s no much maneuvering you can do to get better.

I’m very disappointed in how undervalued Fultz is on this board.

There isn't a template, most players decline after 30. Players of the caliber of a player like FVV tend not to on the cusp of turning 30. FVV's game isn't predicated on athleticism, so aging won't hurt his game close to as much as the average NBA player.

It's funny you say CP3 is the exception, considering an easy example is Kyle Lowry, who played with FVV & won a chip at age 32. He's also an inch shorter.

I've seen way too many posters suggest we our cap space in a trade and I think there's a misunderstanding about how trades work. Contracts in trades must match within 125% of what's being sent. We can't use our cap space in a trade, except for future years, which would be a grave mismangement of cap space if we didn't use that cap space first to sign someone.

If we were to make a trade for Bane or Brown, getting FVV in free agency wouldn't prevent that from happening... at all. If anything it would make it easier since his contract could be used to match contracts more easily.

I just think we have to do something this summer instead of running it back like last offseason (Resigned Bamba, resigned Harris and kept Ross)

I just wish we can have two lotto picks this draft. Maybe even trading one to get a star, hopefully.

I just think we have to use our cap space. I am dreaming of Kyrie or Harden. But I am thinking FVV

[ogmagicfan]

I've seen way too many posters suggest we our cap space in a trade and I think there's a misunderstanding about how trades work. Contracts in trades must match within 125% of what's being sent. We can't use our cap space in a trade, except for future years, which would be a grave mismangement of cap space if we didn't use that cap space first to sign someone.
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That’s not the case. If a team has enough room under the cap they can trade for a player without sending anything back. Salaries only have to match if a team is over the cap.

Are you sure? I don't recall that being the case.

Either way, we could still get a player or players in free agency and still go after Bane or Brown in trades, while only worrying about matching, and get a win win rather than having to relegate to using our cap space for a trade only just so we don't have to send similar salaries back.

It's the same logic behind why teams resign players even though they don't really want to keep them, because they have value and they'd rather get something out of them than nothing. Same logic in why the Warriors salaries are way bigger than any others team.

Optimizing our assets, regardless of how bright our future looks currently, should always be the goal, and we should never waver because we think we can win without having to maximize in every scenario we're in. I want the Magic to be a contender for many years to come.

I'm all game for being aggressive looking for trades, but I want to use our cap space in FA, and FVV is a great fit for our team.

[ogmagicfan]

Re Fultz: He's arguably our MVP looking at box score stats. But at the same time he's one of the worst starting point guards in the league looking at the same box score stats. Then you look at RPM and lineup performances and you see that he doesn't make us better. It's a fascinating evaluation.

By PER, PIE, VORP, or whatever, Carter is Orlando's best player.
Nobody here would actually accept that.

Said another way relevant to this thread: I believe that VanVleet is having a better year this year than any Magician is.

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I'd argue it's very close btwn WCJ & Franz for the most important player for our team this year, but I'd give the edge to WCJ.

I think others would agree as well, the difference when WCJ doesn't play is night & day (partly due to the weak Center depth)