ANFERNEE SIMONS VS GARY TRENT JR

[thelead]

I think Simons is better than Trent Jr.

But Simons would cost assets outgoing and Trent Jr would only cost money and that has to be weighed into the equation.

Yes but it depends on the asset(s). Say the Bulls make the playoffs and get the 16th pick, I would be okay with trading it and absorbing Simons’ contract if the FO wants to bring in more shooting. Or a Fultz and Bol for Simons swap. That’s not a crazy high price depending on other moves we make.

[jonbob17]

I really hope we can do better than either of these guys. If we want to be a contender, i don't think you can rely on either of these guys as a starter. Backup sure, fine. I am sure either is good enough to be a starter on this team right now, but i am hoping the front office has grander plans for this team and its fanbase

[Rainwater]

Didn't Simmons sign a huge contract? I just don't understand why Anfernee Simon's name keeps getting brought up it makes no sense. There is NO way that Portland trades him, he is their future. It's like the Lakers asking for Franz. And if the Blazers did choose to trade him to build a contender around Dame, it would have to be for an All Star. Unless you are trading Paolo, Simmons is just a fantasy.

Portland has two routes at this point either they rebuild, or they contend. If they are rebuilding (which they should do), they are keeping Simmons; he and Sharpe are their building blocks. If they are contending, they have to trade him for an All-Star; anything less would be a mismanagement of assets on Portland part. And seriously, what would the magic logically give up that would satisfy the Blazers? People are really looking at Simmons from Magic standpoint not a Portland standpoint.

Trent is a more realistic opportunity because he is a lesser talent but I think he may be in a similar situation as Simmons.

Simons extension has three more guaranteed paying him $24.1/$25.8/$27.6.

Portland might consider trading Simons for a couple of reasons:

1. While Simons is one of the best catch and shoot 3 point shooters in the league he is best with the ball in his hands. Lillard is a really ball dominant player which results in Simons looking like an all-star when he isn't playing with Lillard and merely good playing alongside him
2. Simons, like CJ McCollum before him, is an undersized SG and a mediocre, but improving defender. Simons would be best guarding the opposing PG
3. At SG, Shaedon Sharpe is the future. The kid has such a buttery smooth jumper and has maybe the best hops in the league. Defensively the Blazers have Thybulle who could start at SG next season
4. Portland really needs another quality forward or more mobile center more than another guard

I would also point out the Chauncey Billups is an atrocious coach. Portland has blown 17 double digit leads. If they had won half of those games they would be very much be in the thick of the playoff picture in the West. Thankfully Portland doesn't need to rebuild since they will be able to add a high lottery pick this season without having to trade Dame.

So what would Orlando offer for Simons?

I won't disagree with your assessment on Simmons as you have seen more games of him. However, I completely disagree with what is in bold. Besides of the Blazers front, there is overwhelming sentiment that the Blazers should trade Dame and rebuild. This is way past due. I honestly believe he (and Beal for that matter) are just stealing money at this point. Adding another young player who hasn't played a day in the NBA believing he will immediately help Dame is asking for a bit much. To help Dame win the Blazers needs Vet All Star not a rookie. Outside of Franz and Paolo (who the Magic won't trade) the magic only have draft picks to offer. How will this help Dame win? The Magic and Portland are terrible trade partners.

I just don't get what Portland is doing. They have Sharpe, Simmons, and another high draft pick coming in. Unless you are packaging these assets to get Dame some help, wouldn't the obvious choice be to go all in on the youth movement and trade Dame? How long will Dame wait for these players to develop if they even develop at all? This reminds me of GSW situation with Kumgia, Moody, and Wiseman but at least with the Warriors despite the fact that these young guys haven't developed as expected they still have a championship team. With Portland they are just bad and need to completely rebuild.

[Rainwater]

I think Simons is better than Trent Jr.

But Simons would cost assets outgoing and Trent Jr would only cost money and that has to be weighed into the equation.

My question is what can the magic even offer the Blazers? If Portland is trading Simons I would assume that is to get Dame help right now, right? The magic aren't trading Paolo or Franz, that leaves draft picks and a combination of Fultz, Suggs, Bol, etc. Is this really going to help the Blazers win now? I just don't see how the Magic and Blazers are good trading Partners for a Simons.

[thelead]

I think Simons is better than Trent Jr.

But Simons would cost assets outgoing and Trent Jr would only cost money and that has to be weighed into the equation.

My question is what can the magic even offer the Blazers? If Portland is trading Simmons I would assume that is to get Dame help right now, right? The magic aren't trading Paolo or Franz, that leave draft picks and a combination of Fultz, Suggs, Bol, etc. Is this really going to help the Blazers win now? I just don't see how the Magic and Blazer are good trading Partners a for Simmons.

I don't think they care about Dame's immediate timeline to be honest. They want assets and getting out of players that don't fit. Don't forget, they traded CJ for a bunch of nothing just to get out of his contract too. Fultz and the Bulls pick would likely be enough. The real question is, should we even consider that?

[Knightro]

I think Simons is better than Trent Jr.

But Simons would cost assets outgoing and Trent Jr would only cost money and that has to be weighed into the equation.

My question is what can the magic even offer the Blazers? If Portland is trading Simmons I would assume that is to get Dame help right now, right? The magic aren't trading Paolo or Franz, that leave draft picks and a combination of Fultz, Suggs, Bol, etc. Is this really going to help the Blazers win now? I just don't see how the Magic and Blazer are good trading Partners a for Simmons.

I don't think they don't care about Dame's immediate timeline to be honest. They want assets and getting out of players that don't fit. Don't forget, they traded CJ for a bunch of nothing just to get out of his contract too. Fultz and the Bulls pick would likely be enough. The real question is, should we even consider that?

I’m thinking something like Harris, Bol, Okeke, Bulls pick for Simons gets it done easily.

Just getting a lotto pick for a guy they already have a replacement for in-house would be a big win for them.

[MasterGMer]

I think Magic needs to take a serious look at Simons because he is available. We need someone who can be a threat on the 3pt with accuracy and volume. Plus he is a 20 ppg guy and he has roots in Central Florida. He seems like a nice kid also

If the asking price is good, I hope the FO pulls the trigger. Because we desperately need shooting to go with Franz and Paolo and someone who can score

[thelead]

I think Magic needs to take a serious look at Simons because he is available. We need someone who can be a threat on the 3pt with accuracy and volume. Plus he is a 20 ppg guy and he has roots in Central Florida. He seems like a nice kid also

If the asking price is good, I hope the FO pulls the trigger. Because we desperately need shooting to go with Franz and Paolo and someone who can score

I like Simons... as a bench scorer like Jordan Clarkson. I hope we can snag him if they price is right. The bulls pick and fillers would be great.

[eyriq]

Simons would be pretty amazing.

[Rainwater]

I think Simons is better than Trent Jr.

But Simons would cost assets outgoing and Trent Jr would only cost money and that has to be weighed into the equation.

My question is what can the magic even offer the Blazers? If Portland is trading Simmons I would assume that is to get Dame help right now, right? The magic aren't trading Paolo or Franz, that leave draft picks and a combination of Fultz, Suggs, Bol, etc. Is this really going to help the Blazers win now? I just don't see how the Magic and Blazer are good trading Partners a for Simmons.

I don't think they care about Dame's immediate timeline to be honest. They want assets and getting out of players that don't fit. Don't forget, they traded CJ for a bunch of nothing just to get out of his contract too. Fultz and the Bulls pick would likely be enough. The real question is, should we even consider that?

CJ was 30 when they traded him and they had seen that him and Dame would not work together. Simmons is only 23 and hasn't even hit his prime. Additionally, Dame is turning 33, if you don't care about Dame's immediate timeline why not trade him instead of Simmons. You will save the cash and get way more assets then you would for Simmons. And yes, if I were the magic I would do that in a heartbeat.

[MasterGMer]

My question is what can the magic even offer the Blazers? If Portland is trading Simmons I would assume that is to get Dame help right now, right? The magic aren't trading Paolo or Franz, that leave draft picks and a combination of Fultz, Suggs, Bol, etc. Is this really going to help the Blazers win now? I just don't see how the Magic and Blazer are good trading Partners a for Simmons.

I don't think they care about Dame's immediate timeline to be honest. They want assets and getting out of players that don't fit. Don't forget, they traded CJ for a bunch of nothing just to get out of his contract too. Fultz and the Bulls pick would likely be enough. The real question is, should we even consider that?

CJ was 30 when they traded him and they had seen that him and Dame would not work together. Simmons is only 23 and hasn't even hit his prime. Additionally, Dame is turning 33, if you don't care about Dame's immediate timeline why not trade him instead of Simmons. You will save the cash and get way more assets then you would for Simmons. And yes, if I were the magic I would do that in a heartbeat.

Unless Damian is requesting a trade, I am not seeing POR trading him.

I surely hope Orlando does land a star like Damian. But I just do not see the possibility of POR and ORL engage in a trade like that. It would cost Orlando a lot btw

[Rainwater]

My question is what can the magic even offer the Blazers? If Portland is trading Simmons I would assume that is to get Dame help right now, right? The magic aren't trading Paolo or Franz, that leave draft picks and a combination of Fultz, Suggs, Bol, etc. Is this really going to help the Blazers win now? I just don't see how the Magic and Blazer are good trading Partners a for Simmons.

I don't think they don't care about Dame's immediate timeline to be honest. They want assets and getting out of players that don't fit. Don't forget, they traded CJ for a bunch of nothing just to get out of his contract too. Fultz and the Bulls pick would likely be enough. The real question is, should we even consider that?

I’m thinking something like Harris, Bol, Okeke, Bulls pick for Simons gets it done easily.

Just getting a lotto pick for a guy they already have a replacement for in-house would be a big win for them.

I just don't get this for Portland. I am pretty certain Simons will be better than that Bulls pick sitting at 11, Simons has shown All Star potential. Harris, Bol, or Okeke won't help the Blazers now or in the future. If I were the magic I would definitely do it, I just don't see what this does for the Blazers.

[thelead]

I don't think they don't care about Dame's immediate timeline to be honest. They want assets and getting out of players that don't fit. Don't forget, they traded CJ for a bunch of nothing just to get out of his contract too. Fultz and the Bulls pick would likely be enough. The real question is, should we even consider that?

I’m thinking something like Harris, Bol, Okeke, Bulls pick for Simons gets it done easily.

Just getting a lotto pick for a guy they already have a replacement for in-house would be a big win for them.

I just don't get this for Portland. I am pretty certain Simmons will be better than that Bulls pick sitting at 11, Simmons has shown All Star potential. Harris, Bol, or Okeke won't help the Blazers now or in the future. If I were the magic I would definitely do it, I just don't see what this does for the Blazers.

I guess it just depends on how you view Simons. I view him more like Clarkson than a future all-star. The rookie behind Simons has more all-star potential and is a better fit next to Dame; which is why Portland would be smart to move Simons now. I'm not sure we'd want to give up too much for Simons but I wouldn't think many teams would be lining up to clear their war chests out for a combo guard that isn't much of a playmaker and plays mediocre defense.

[Rainwater]

I don't think they care about Dame's immediate timeline to be honest. They want assets and getting out of players that don't fit. Don't forget, they traded CJ for a bunch of nothing just to get out of his contract too. Fultz and the Bulls pick would likely be enough. The real question is, should we even consider that?

CJ was 30 when they traded him and they had seen that him and Dame would not work together. Simmons is only 23 and hasn't even hit his prime. Additionally, Dame is turning 33, if you don't care about Dame's immediate timeline why not trade him instead of Simmons. You will save the cash and get way more assets then you would for Simmons. And yes, if I were the magic I would do that in a heartbeat.

Unless Damian is requesting a trade, I am not seeing POR trading him.

I surely hope Orlando does land a star like Damian. But I just do not see the possibility of POR and ORL engage in a trade like that. It would cost Orlando a lot btw

That is the problem Damian is keeping them in this sucky position.

[Rainwater]

I’m thinking something like Harris, Bol, Okeke, Bulls pick for Simons gets it done easily.

Just getting a lotto pick for a guy they already have a replacement for in-house would be a big win for them.

I just don't get this for Portland. I am pretty certain Simmons will be better than that Bulls pick sitting at 11, Simmons has shown All Star potential. Harris, Bol, or Okeke won't help the Blazers now or in the future. If I were the magic I would definitely do it, I just don't see what this does for the Blazers.

I guess it just depends on how you view Simons. I view him more like Clarkson than a future all-star. The rookie behind Simons has more all-star potential and is a better fit next to Dame; which is why Portland would be smart to move Simons now. I'm not sure we'd want to give up too much for Simons but I wouldn't think many teams would be lining up to clear their war chests out for a combo guard that isn't much of a playmaker and plays mediocre defense.

Yeah, it does depend on how you view Simons. The thing is Simons is doing things at 23 that Clarkson is just now doing at 30 but we will see.

[pepe1991]

Sharpe- Lillard fit doesn't exist. One is 33 other is 19.

One will be retired before other matures enough to help them win.

[Village Idiot]

My question is what can the magic even offer the Blazers? If Portland is trading Simmons I would assume that is to get Dame help right now, right? The magic aren't trading Paolo or Franz, that leave draft picks and a combination of Fultz, Suggs, Bol, etc. Is this really going to help the Blazers win now? I just don't see how the Magic and Blazer are good trading Partners a for Simmons.

I don't think they don't care about Dame's immediate timeline to be honest. They want assets and getting out of players that don't fit. Don't forget, they traded CJ for a bunch of nothing just to get out of his contract too. Fultz and the Bulls pick would likely be enough. The real question is, should we even consider that?

I’m thinking something like Harris, Bol, Okeke, Bulls pick for Simons gets it done easily.

Just getting a lotto pick for a guy they already have a replacement for in-house would be a big win for them.

Given the fact that Portland is not going to be trading Dame and want to try to build a contender around him, if Portland is going to trade Simons it will be for one of three things:

- as part of a package for a second star. Orlando could be part of a 3-way deal or to get the Blazers appealing assets to send to team 3
- another quality forward to play alongside Grant whom we assume is resigning - obviously Orlando is not going to trade either Franz or Banchero for Simons
- a more mobile center with the ability to switch either as a replace for, or compliment to, Jusuf Nurkic. WCJ would fit this description well

so your proposal is DOA. Harris to back up Thybulle or impeed Sharpe? Bol as a novelty item? Okeke as back-up SF? A third 1st round pick this draft? No thanks.

WCJ and the Bulls pick for Simons and the Knicks pick would probably work.

[Skybox]

I see WCJ/Simons as the likeliest reasonable basis…

…perhaps POR should be hunting bigger game. I’d give them Fultz, Harris, CHI pick and DEN pick for Simons & Keon …they could use The salaries and picks in a bigger package for Beal if WAS ever comes to their senses. Dame is better than ever and, despite my concerns, looks rock solid for the next few years.

[Knightro]

The Magic aren’t trading Carter for Simons. That is not happening.

The only way they’d even consider it would be if they hit the lottery and draft Wenbanyama.

[thelead]

The Magic aren’t trading Carter for Simons. That is not happening.

The only way they’d even consider it would be if they hit the lottery and draft Wenbanyama.

Agreed. With Poeltl pretty much off the table, I don't see how we can trade WCJ without landing Wemby at this point. And even then, a quality big like WCJ off the bench is the type of thing contenders dream of having. I'm not a huge believer in Simons being the starting SG on a contender.

The dream is to land the #1 pick, draft Wemby, and then the FO can be somewhat reckless with their FA spending to fast-track the rebuild.

Wemby/WCJ
Paolo/FA/JI
Franz/FA
Suggs/Cole/Harris
FA/Fultz

FA to target (in no specific order):

Grant Williams
D'Angelo Russell
Naz Reid (if we don't land Wemby or if we trade WCJ but I don't love him as a starter due to size)
Damion Lee (low on the list due to guard logjam)
Harrison Barnes (would be a terrific signing to solidify the backup wing rotation)
Trey Lyles (Barnes likely doesn't want to come off the bench so this would be more realistic)
FVV
Poeltl (highly unlikely and only needed if we want to trade WCJ and miss on Wemby)