Taylor Hendricks

[JMAC3]

Am I reading this correctly? You're making post after post after post on here critiquing Hendricks, going on all of these anti-Hendricks rants, going on and on about how you would never take Hendricks in the top 5, yet right here you tell us that you see Hendricks essentially the same as you saw Jabari Smith Jr, who you ranked...5th?

I also wouldn't say I am going on and on or ranting at all. I think Hendricks is around 8-10 on my board. I don't think that is disrespectful considering he is outside the top 10 in probably 50% of mocks you will pull up.

In fact, I am not getting much pushback at all on him having a lower ceiling. Just matters how much you value that. If I think there is a sub 10% of him being an all-star and instead being in the PJ Washington, John Collins role to me that is a super solid starter.

Just PF as a whole isn't really all valuable to me. The best PFs in the league are really just oversized wings or guys with wing skills. If the prospect lacks those desired wing skills it's going to be difficult to be a massive difference maker IMO.

[clyde21]

lol - Jabari last 12 games is averaging 17/9/2/1/1 on 47/37/73 while manning both the 4 and 5 defensively for Houston. he's proving he can defend up and down positions at the NBA level already. we'll see if Walker, Hendricks, or even Paolo will be able to do that at scale in the NBA.

we'll see how well some of these Bari takes age too.

[EvanZ]

Interesting thing about Hendricks is that he was basically always a 5 coming up and only this season has started transitioning out to the perimeter. If this is just the beginning of his evolution into a big wing...could be a lot more development coming.

[JMAC3]

lol - Jabari last 12 games is averaging 17/9/2/1/1 on 47/37/73 while manning both the 4 and 5 defensively for Houston. he's proving he can defend up and down positions at the NBA level already. we'll see if Walker, Hendricks, or even Paolo will be able to do that at scale in the NBA.

we'll see how well some of these Bari takes age too.

Good for him. Glad to see him get his fg% out of the 30s and his 3pt% out of the 20's.

Might be too late for him to not be the worst player in the league by TPA

https://sportsmathnetwork.com/nba-math/2022-23-nba-regular-season-tpa/

[clyde21]

TPA is quite possibly the worst metric on the planet but not surprised you're the one peddling it

[JMAC3]

TPA is quite possibly the worst metric on the planet but not surprised you're the one peddling it

The amount of times people say a stat is the worst metric when it doesn't fit their narrative is intolerable.

"Net Rating is garbo, PER is garbage, TPA is garbage, Win Shares garbage".... etc etc

The fact he is dead last can't be a good thing no matter how you spin it or however bad you think the stat is.

A stat that has Jokic, Luka, Embiid, SGA, Butler, Giannis, Dame, Sabonis, Hali, Curry, Donovan, Tatum, Morant, Durant, Harden, LeBron, AD, Randle, Kawhi, Trae and Lauri as it's top 20 players can't be that far off

[clyde21]

TPA is quite possibly the worst metric on the planet but not surprised you're the one peddling it

The amount of times people say a stat is the worst metric when it doesn't fit their narrative is intolerable.

"Net Rating is garbo, PER is garbage, TPA is garbage, Win Shares garbage".... etc etc

The fact he is dead last can't be a good thing no matter how you spin it or however bad you think the stat is.

A stat that has Jokic, Luka, Embiid, SGA, Butler, Giannis, Dame, Sabonis, Hali, Curry, Donovan, Tatum, Morant, Durant, Harden, LeBron, AD, Randle, Kawhi, Trae and Lauri as it's top 20 players can't be that far off

completely meaningless - guys like Mathurin and Paolo aren't much farther ahead on the list, almost the entire bottom 4th of the list are rookies/2nd year guys...what does this metric show other than young guys being young guys?

it's especially meaningless for non engine players that don't control their own offensive scheme, and double for a player on a team where there is no actual PG on the roster.

can you also explain to the people at home what it means tho when Josh Christopher has a higher TPA than Jordan Poole? curious what your analysis here is.

[JMAC3]

TPA is quite possibly the worst metric on the planet but not surprised you're the one peddling it

The amount of times people say a stat is the worst metric when it doesn't fit their narrative is intolerable.

"Net Rating is garbo, PER is garbage, TPA is garbage, Win Shares garbage".... etc etc

The fact he is dead last can't be a good thing no matter how you spin it or however bad you think the stat is.

A stat that has Jokic, Luka, Embiid, SGA, Butler, Giannis, Dame, Sabonis, Hali, Curry, Donovan, Tatum, Morant, Durant, Harden, LeBron, AD, Randle, Kawhi, Trae and Lauri as it's top 20 players can't be that far off

completely meaningless - guys like Mathurin and Paolo aren't much farther ahead on the list, almost the entire bottom 4th of the list are rookies/2nd year guys...what does this metric show other than young guys being young guys?

it's especially meaningless for non engine players that don't control their own offensive scheme, and double for a player on a team where there is no actual PG on the roster.

I mean if you look at the list without actually looking at it? Sure.

Paolo is -80 TPA, which is far from great.
Jabari -166 TPA.

[clyde21]

The amount of times people say a stat is the worst metric when it doesn't fit their narrative is intolerable.

"Net Rating is garbo, PER is garbage, TPA is garbage, Win Shares garbage".... etc etc

The fact he is dead last can't be a good thing no matter how you spin it or however bad you think the stat is.

A stat that has Jokic, Luka, Embiid, SGA, Butler, Giannis, Dame, Sabonis, Hali, Curry, Donovan, Tatum, Morant, Durant, Harden, LeBron, AD, Randle, Kawhi, Trae and Lauri as it's top 20 players can't be that far off

completely meaningless - guys like Mathurin and Paolo aren't much farther ahead on the list, almost the entire bottom 4th of the list are rookies/2nd year guys...what does this metric show other than young guys being young guys?

it's especially meaningless for non engine players that don't control their own offensive scheme, and double for a player on a team where there is no actual PG on the roster.

I mean if you look at the list without actually looking at it? Sure.

Paolo is -80 TPA, which is far from great.
Jabari -166 TPA.

thought so

[JMAC3]

completely meaningless - guys like Mathurin and Paolo aren't much farther ahead on the list, almost the entire bottom 4th of the list are rookies/2nd year guys...what does this metric show other than young guys being young guys?

it's especially meaningless for non engine players that don't control their own offensive scheme, and double for a player on a team where there is no actual PG on the roster.

I mean if you look at the list without actually looking at it? Sure.

Paolo is -80 TPA, which is far from great.
Jabari -166 TPA.

thought so

Sorry, quoted before you edited with your ridiculous request.

No stat is perfect top to bottom. Jabari Smith is 245th out 250 for Raptor. but going by your logic maybe Raptor sucks too because Delon Wright is higher than Jaylen Brown. Should we disregard Raptor too? Which stat would you prefer I go by?

Jordan Poole -102 TPA which is -93 def and -9 off. Are you going to argue he is a good defender? Offensively his 51% EFG is really bad this year. Ranks 103 out of 125 qualified players this year. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2023_totals.html#totals_stats::fg_pct

Josh Christopher -49 TPA which is -34 off and -15 def. Seems like he is a much better defender based on this and that is the main reason.

Also, another thing to note about TPA as is it somewhat a volume stat. Ziare Williams at -66 TPA in only 500 mins. You could assume if he had played 1000 mins his TPA would be even worse. Same thing with Garrett Temple being +3 in 133 mins. If he played 1500 mins he would be a lot further from zero.

So circling back to Christopher and Poole. JC played 500 mins vs 2000 for Poole. Seems safe to assume that if 4x JC minutes he would grade out worse than Poole in the end.

[clyde21]

I mean if you look at the list without actually looking at it? Sure.

Paolo is -80 TPA, which is far from great.
Jabari -166 TPA.

thought so

Sorry, quoted before you edited with your ridiculous request.

No stat is perfect top to bottom. Jabari Smith is 245th out 250 for Raptor. but going by your logic maybe Raptor sucks too because Delon Wright is higher than Jaylen Brown. Should we disregard Raptor too? Which stat would you prefer I go by?

Jordan Poole -102 TPA which is -93 def and -9 off. Are you going to argue he is a good defender? Offensively his 51% EFG is really bad this year. Ranks 103 out of 125 qualified players this year. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2023_totals.html#totals_stats::fg_pct

Josh Christopher -49 TPA which is -34 off and -15 def. Seems like he is a much better defender based on this and that is the main reason.

Also, another thing to note about TPA as is it somewhat a volume stat. Ziare Williams at -66 TPA in only 500 mins. You could assume if he had played 1000 mins his TPA would be even worse. Same thing with Garrett Temple being +3 in 133 mins. If he played 1500 mins he would be a lot further from zero.

So circling back to Christopher and Poole. JC played 500 mins vs 2000 for Poole. Seems safe to assume that if 4x JC minutes he would grade out worse than Poole in the end.

ah yes, the ridiculous of asking you to explain your own BS cherry-picked stats. i know it's extremely inconvenient for you.

and you're just relisting the TPA - i can read the page. why is Christopher's defensive TPA so much better than Poole's? how is this being derived?

[JMAC3]

thought so

Sorry, quoted before you edited with your ridiculous request.

No stat is perfect top to bottom. Jabari Smith is 245th out 250 for Raptor. but going by your logic maybe Raptor sucks too because Delon Wright is higher than Jaylen Brown. Should we disregard Raptor too? Which stat would you prefer I go by?

Jordan Poole -102 TPA which is -93 def and -9 off. Are you going to argue he is a good defender? Offensively his 51% EFG is really bad this year. Ranks 103 out of 125 qualified players this year. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2023_totals.html#totals_stats::fg_pct

Josh Christopher -49 TPA which is -34 off and -15 def. Seems like he is a much better defender based on this and that is the main reason.

Also, another thing to note about TPA as is it somewhat a volume stat. Ziare Williams at -66 TPA in only 500 mins. You could assume if he had played 1000 mins his TPA would be even worse. Same thing with Garrett Temple being +3 in 133 mins. If he played 1500 mins he would be a lot further from zero.

So circling back to Christopher and Poole. JC played 500 mins vs 2000 for Poole. Seems safe to assume that if 4x JC minutes he would grade out worse than Poole in the end.

ah yes, the ridiculous of asking you to explain your own BS cherry-picked stats. i know it's extremely inconvenient for you.

and you're just relisting the TPA - i can read the page. why is Christopher's defensive TPA so much better than Poole's? how is this being derived?

I literally just wrote it out, can you read? Or you just refuse to acknowledge a good response.

1. Christopher is a better defender? what do you mean. Are you shocked Poole has a bad defensive TPA? Have you watched him play defense? You act like the stat is saying Christopher is a better defender than Caruso lol. The stat has a bad defender rated as a bad defender. I fail to see the issue.

2. Christopher has played a 1/4th of the mins. That matters for TPA. Hence why guys that play 100 mins probably also have a higher TPA than half the league.

[JMAC3]

Again, what stat would you prefer to look at Jabari at? I already pointed out he was poorly rated in Raptor as well as TPA. Do you think that stat sucks as well? Please tell me the perfect stat you use to evaluate guys performance.

I am not cherry picking stats either lol. He is dead last in one and bottom 5 in the other haha.

A cherry picked stat would be picking two random dudes to compare to discredit the stat... idk say trying to make a case a stat is bad by comparing a guy like Josh Christopher and Jordan Poole lol.

Jeez I wonder which of these two examples seems more cherry picked haha

[clyde21]

Sorry, quoted before you edited with your ridiculous request.

No stat is perfect top to bottom. Jabari Smith is 245th out 250 for Raptor. but going by your logic maybe Raptor sucks too because Delon Wright is higher than Jaylen Brown. Should we disregard Raptor too? Which stat would you prefer I go by?

Jordan Poole -102 TPA which is -93 def and -9 off. Are you going to argue he is a good defender? Offensively his 51% EFG is really bad this year. Ranks 103 out of 125 qualified players this year. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2023_totals.html#totals_stats::fg_pct

Josh Christopher -49 TPA which is -34 off and -15 def. Seems like he is a much better defender based on this and that is the main reason.

Also, another thing to note about TPA as is it somewhat a volume stat. Ziare Williams at -66 TPA in only 500 mins. You could assume if he had played 1000 mins his TPA would be even worse. Same thing with Garrett Temple being +3 in 133 mins. If he played 1500 mins he would be a lot further from zero.

So circling back to Christopher and Poole. JC played 500 mins vs 2000 for Poole. Seems safe to assume that if 4x JC minutes he would grade out worse than Poole in the end.

ah yes, the ridiculous of asking you to explain your own BS cherry-picked stats. i know it's extremely inconvenient for you.

and you're just relisting the TPA - i can read the page. why is Christopher's defensive TPA so much better than Poole's? how is this being derived?

I literally just wrote it out, can you read? Or you just refuse to acknowledge a good response.

1. Christopher is a better defender? what do you mean. Are you shocked Poole has a bad defensive TPA? Have you watched him play defense? You act like the stat is saying Christopher is a better defender than Caruso lol. The stat has a bad defender rated as a bad defender. I fail to see the issue.

2. Christopher has played a 1/4th of the mins. That matters for TPA. Hence why guys that play 100 mins probably also have a higher TPA than half the league.

lol we can read the **** page, we can see Christopher's defensive TPA is better than Poole's. you're not answering anything. I'm asking you how is this data derived. you seem to be completely unable to ever answer and throw temper tantrums when you get called out on your BS cherry-picked data.

how about this then my guy - Bari has a higher RPM than Paolo. why should we look at TPA instead of RPM? what does TPA show that RPM doesn't?

[JMAC3]

ah yes, the ridiculous of asking you to explain your own BS cherry-picked stats. i know it's extremely inconvenient for you.

and you're just relisting the TPA - i can read the page. why is Christopher's defensive TPA so much better than Poole's? how is this being derived?

I literally just wrote it out, can you read? Or you just refuse to acknowledge a good response.

1. Christopher is a better defender? what do you mean. Are you shocked Poole has a bad defensive TPA? Have you watched him play defense? You act like the stat is saying Christopher is a better defender than Caruso lol. The stat has a bad defender rated as a bad defender. I fail to see the issue.

2. Christopher has played a 1/4th of the mins. That matters for TPA. Hence why guys that play 100 mins probably also have a higher TPA than half the league.

lol we can read the **** page, we can see Christopher's defensive TPA is better than Poole's. you're not answering anything. I'm asking you how is this data derived. you seem to be completely unable to ever answer and throw temper tantrums when you get called out on your BS cherry-picked data.

how about this then my guy - Bari has a higher RPM than Paolo. why should we look at TPA instead of RPM? what does TPA show that RPM doesn't?

Yeah I am out on this lol. I am not going to chase your scenarios all over the internet and take time to explain stats just so you can move onto your next rabbit to have me chase. I explained TPA is a volume stat. The more minutes you play the more exposed you will be as a good or bad player.

Jabari isn't the worst player in the NBA. He is just the worst player that has played as many minutes as he has.

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I had Hendricks at 8. I might move him up a little bit after watching this.

Knew he was a good defender who could block some shots. But watching this was eye opening. I didn't realize he was *that* good of a defender, who could guard 1-5, good discipline as a defender, good technique and really good rim protection.

The foundation of being a 6'9" stretch 4 who can play small ball 5, REALLY good spot up shooter, good athleticism, only a freshman, who is a REALLY good defender, rim protector who can defend 1-5 and show some flashes of attacking off the bounce. I mean, that's potentially a top 5 pick.

Top 10 pick, easily.

He's got some. things to work on, as the video points out. The handle, the passing feel, defensive rebounding and finishing touch (at rim and in mid range) are concerns.

Think I'm gonna move Hendricks up to 6 on my board, just ahead of Jarace and Whitmore.

[big-shot-ROB]

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I had Hendricks at 8. I might move him up a little bit after watching this.

Knew he was a good defender who could block some shots. But watching this was eye opening. I didn't realize he was *that* good of a defender, who could guard 1-5, good discipline as a defender, good technique and really good rim protection.

The foundation of being a 6'9" stretch 4 who can play small ball 5, REALLY good spot up shooter, good athleticism, only a freshman, who is a REALLY good defender, rim protector who can defend 1-5 and show some flashes of attacking off the bounce. I mean, that's potentially a top 5 pick.

Top 10 pick, easily.

He's got some. things to work on, as the video points out. The handle, the passing feel, defensive rebounding and finishing touch (at rim and in mid range) are concerns.

Think I'm gonna move Hendricks up to 6 on my board, just ahead of Jarace and Whitmore.

I don't know if you're either promoting that youtube channel or your opinions are just parroting it, but I feel you're basing everything you post on these videos.

[Hal14]

Watch on YouTube

I had Hendricks at 8. I might move him up a little bit after watching this.

Knew he was a good defender who could block some shots. But watching this was eye opening. I didn't realize he was *that* good of a defender, who could guard 1-5, good discipline as a defender, good technique and really good rim protection.

The foundation of being a 6'9" stretch 4 who can play small ball 5, REALLY good spot up shooter, good athleticism, only a freshman, who is a REALLY good defender, rim protector who can defend 1-5 and show some flashes of attacking off the bounce. I mean, that's potentially a top 5 pick.

Top 10 pick, easily.

He's got some. things to work on, as the video points out. The handle, the passing feel, defensive rebounding and finishing touch (at rim and in mid range) are concerns.

Think I'm gonna move Hendricks up to 6 on my board, just ahead of Jarace and Whitmore.

I don't know if you're either promoting that youtube channel or your opinions are just parroting it, but I feel you're basing everything you post on these videos.

Nope. I've been watching and researching all of these prospects all season long (some of them prior to this season as well).

The Box and One vids are a helpful tool though to make a more informed evaluation. They're the most in depth scouting report vids that I have seen on the web, doing a nice job of showing not only a player's strengths but also their weaknesses - and covering the little details in a player's game that can make a big difference. If you don't like the vids, you don't have to watch them or comment on them. But IMO, they're pretty much required viewing for a true draft junkie.

[Hoops Addict]

He is the ideal stretch 4......great shooter and he is tall and his defense is destroying in college.......could be like Bam Adebayo in the pros.

[EvanZ]

If you're having trouble doing your own scouting reports, I recommend watching games focusing on a single player and literally try to go frame by frame almost whenever the player is involved in something significant on ball or off ball. It forces you to pay attention to little details like how players navigate screens (on both ends), how they prepare for shots, what passes they *don't* make, etc. Just watching a game without really focusing on a single prospect, you miss a lot of this stuff.

It's also funny because I've watched some of these YouTube channels and even though we're clearly watching the same player, sometimes our opinions are just wildly different. I actually go out of my way to *avoid* being influenced by mainstream coverage though.