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2023 Draft Discussion Part III

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#621 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Tue Apr 4, 2023 6:44 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:I'm also kinda high on Keyonte George for us.


Bufkin is the same type of player and way more efficient tbh


They are very similar, but I'd still rank George higher. I can wrap my head around about a freshman lead guard being an inefficient player. For some reason George looks bigger, but I see Kobe being listed as 10lbs heavier. Geroge looks like he's able to get a lot stronger. He also looks to be the better defender down the line


He wouldn't have a 30% USG here and would most likely come off the bench. As combo guards, Kobe has done it defensively and ended off the season averaging 48/38/89 on 15/5/3 with a usage in the low 20s. Keyonte fell off completely to end the season with tour date stinkers looking at his makes and misses.

The ability is there but the fact Keyonte isn't some explosive athlete or amazing shooter doesn't make his upside very high if he can't be as efficient as someone like Kobe. Plus his name is Kobe
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#622 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Apr 4, 2023 6:53 pm

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Bufkin is the same type of player and way more efficient tbh


They are very similar, but I'd still rank George higher. I can wrap my head around about a freshman lead guard being an inefficient player. For some reason George looks bigger, but I see Kobe being listed as 10lbs heavier. Geroge looks like he's able to get a lot stronger. He also looks to be the better defender down the line

Kobe Bufkin is only a month and a half older than Keyonte George. He also shot 38% from the field as a freshman and 22% from 3


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Kobes Freshman szn he put up the exact %s as Keyonte's freshman szn. Would I be surprised if Keyonte up his %s in his sophomore szn to match Kobe's sophomore szn, no I would not.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#623 » by BoyzNTheHood » Tue Apr 4, 2023 6:59 pm

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They are very similar, but I'd still rank George higher. I can wrap my head around about a freshman lead guard being an inefficient player. For some reason George looks bigger, but I see Kobe being listed as 10lbs heavier. Geroge looks like he's able to get a lot stronger. He also looks to be the better defender down the line

Kobe Bufkin is only a month and a half older than Keyonte George. He also shot 38% from the field as a freshman and 22% from 3


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Kobes Freshman szn he put up the exact %s as Keyonte's freshman szn. Would I be surprised if Keyonte up his %s in his sophomore szn to match Kobe's sophomore szn, no I would not.

It’s what I’m saying as well, but using that belief don’t you swing for GG Jackson?
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#624 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Apr 4, 2023 7:02 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:Kobe Bufkin is only a month and a half older than Keyonte George. He also shot 38% from the field as a freshman and 22% from 3


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Kobes Freshman szn he put up the exact %s as Keyonte's freshman szn. Would I be surprised if Keyonte up his %s in his sophomore szn to match Kobe's sophomore szn, no I would not.

It’s what I’m saying as well, but using that belief don’t you swing for GG Jackson?


He's another player I'm interested in, especially if I'm sold on his SF/SG wing ability.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#625 » by ItsDanger » Tue Apr 4, 2023 7:03 pm

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In half court offense, there are similarities between Miller & Wagner. Franz is way more polished. But I wonder if Miller may have that upside.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#626 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Apr 4, 2023 7:04 pm

Inefficient college scorers very rarely become efficient NBA scorers.

I completely rule them out unless there were other circumstances like injuries.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#627 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Apr 4, 2023 7:08 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Inefficient college scorers very rarely become efficient NBA scorers.

I completely rule them out unless there were other circumstances like injuries.


Even if they're one and done freshmans?
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#628 » by BoyzNTheHood » Tue Apr 4, 2023 7:08 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Inefficient college scorers very rarely become efficient NBA scorers.

I completely rule them out unless there were other circumstances like injuries.

Technically, George was injured at the end of the season. I’m unsure of his stats before that, but I’m willing to bet they weren’t amazing either. He did have a few amazing games though.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#629 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Apr 4, 2023 7:10 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Inefficient college scorers very rarely become efficient NBA scorers.

I completely rule them out unless there were other circumstances like injuries.


Even if they're one and done freshmans?


I will give a bit more leeway to freshman's, but when I see something like a 37% FG, that's a big red flag.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#630 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Apr 4, 2023 7:13 pm

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In half court offense, there are similarities between Miller & Wagner. Franz is way more polished. But I wonder if Miller may have that upside.


I used to work out this kids just two years ago, I never ever in a million yrs would've thought he would've made it this far so soon. The fact that Wagner is more polished earlier means to be that Wagner is the more fluid better handle player, but I am one person who will never dim the light on this kid, sky's the limit for him clearly.

This kidd was playing in Fort Erie last year against CDN HS Prep. I mean look at all the hype Elijah Fischer had over the years.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#631 » by ItsDanger » Tue Apr 4, 2023 7:16 pm

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I used to work out this kids just two years ago, I never ever in a million yrs would've thought he would've made it this far so soon. The fact that Wagner is more polished earlier means to be that Wagner is the more fluid better handle player, but I am one person who will never dim the light on this kid, sky's the limit for him clearly.

This kidd was playing in Fort Erie last year against CDN HS Prep. I mean look at all the hype Elijah Fischer had over the years.

He's got an undeniable scoring touch and a knack for slipping through traffic. Incredibly tough evaluation on his potential because just the way he moves seems like he has a low base. Can't quite figure it out.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#632 » by Dalek » Tue Apr 4, 2023 7:35 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
Bufkin is the same type of player and way more efficient tbh


They are very similar, but I'd still rank George higher. I can wrap my head around about a freshman lead guard being an inefficient player. For some reason George looks bigger, but I see Kobe being listed as 10lbs heavier. Geroge looks like he's able to get a lot stronger. He also looks to be the better defender down the line

Kobe Bufkin is only a month and a half older than Keyonte George. He also shot 38% from the field as a freshman and 22% from 3


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I heard the best take about Keyonte George the other day on a podcast: Keyonte is really good at taking and making low quality high difficulty shots. The flipside is he doesn't take a lot of high quality shots.

I don't know if he settles too much, but with his high turnover rate and inefficiency, you see a feast or famine-type player. He isn't an elite athlete but like Nick Smith Jr., he showed a lot more in high school. I also think he can make some pretty difficult reads that go beyond a secondary ball handler. To me you need to make quick and challenging passes, be a bit unpredictable as a guard in the NBA. Keyonte has some sauce to his game that reminds me of Harden:

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He might be BPA where Raps pick.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#633 » by Psubs » Tue Apr 4, 2023 8:39 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Kobe Bufkin is only a month and a half older than Keyonte George. He also shot 38% from the field as a freshman and 22% from 3


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Kobes Freshman szn he put up the exact %s as Keyonte's freshman szn. Would I be surprised if Keyonte up his %s in his sophomore szn to match Kobe's sophomore szn, no I would not.

It’s what I’m saying as well, but using that belief don’t you swing for GG Jackson?


But why GG Jackson over Clowney?
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#634 » by BoyzNTheHood » Tue Apr 4, 2023 8:40 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
Kobes Freshman szn he put up the exact %s as Keyonte's freshman szn. Would I be surprised if Keyonte up his %s in his sophomore szn to match Kobe's sophomore szn, no I would not.

It’s what I’m saying as well, but using that belief don’t you swing for GG Jackson?


But why GG Jackson over Clowney?

If we’re betting on potential GG wins every time. He can do a lot more than Clowney if they’re both at their best.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#635 » by Psubs » Tue Apr 4, 2023 8:42 pm

Dalek wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
They are very similar, but I'd still rank George higher. I can wrap my head around about a freshman lead guard being an inefficient player. For some reason George looks bigger, but I see Kobe being listed as 10lbs heavier. Geroge looks like he's able to get a lot stronger. He also looks to be the better defender down the line

Kobe Bufkin is only a month and a half older than Keyonte George. He also shot 38% from the field as a freshman and 22% from 3


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I heard the best take about Keyonte George the other day on a podcast: Keyonte is really good at taking and making low quality high difficulty shots. The flipside is he doesn't take a lot of high quality shots.

I don't know if he settles too much, but with his high turnover rate and inefficiency, you see a feast or famine-type player. He isn't an elite athlete but like Nick Smith Jr., he showed a lot more in high school. I also think he can make some pretty difficult reads that go beyond a secondary ball handler. To me you need to make quick and challenging passes, be a bit unpredictable as a guard in the NBA. Keyonte has some sauce to his game that reminds me of Harden:

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He might be BPA where Raps pick.
But why Keyonte George over Sidy Cissoko?
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#636 » by Psubs » Tue Apr 4, 2023 8:43 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
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BoyzNTheHood wrote:It’s what I’m saying as well, but using that belief don’t you swing for GG Jackson?


But why GG Jackson over Clowney?

If we’re betting on potential GG wins every time. He can do a lot more than Clowney if they’re both at their best.


I would think that Clowney's defense and attitude is more like Pascal 2.0.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#637 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Apr 4, 2023 8:53 pm

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#638 » by BoyzNTheHood » Tue Apr 4, 2023 9:08 pm

Psubs wrote:
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But why GG Jackson over Clowney?

If we’re betting on potential GG wins every time. He can do a lot more than Clowney if they’re both at their best.


I would think that Clowney's defense and attitude is more like Pascal 2.0.

Defensively yes, offensively Clowney is no where near Pascal.
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Post#639 » by dozo » Tue Apr 4, 2023 9:44 pm

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#640 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Apr 4, 2023 9:47 pm

I got Rupert in the lottery for me. Has guard skills, high end defender, great length, super hard worker by all accounts

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