2023 Draft Discussion Part III

[BoyzNTheHood]

https://theathletic.com/4382121/2023/04/06/bobi-klintman-nba-draft/

I'd never heard of this kid but: 6'10, grew up playing soccer and can hit the 3 and pass. Seems unlikely he goes as high as our pick, but if we trade down or end up with a late first or early 2nd, it's easy to hear his name being called and everyone going "what?", right?

I mentioned him earlier. He’s not ready yet. He can be a lottery pick in 2024.

[HumbleRen]

Bufkin, Hawkins, George

Get it done. I think Cason will be gone before we can select him unfortunately.

[BoyzNTheHood]

These are the types of drafts where it should be easier to acquire multiple draft picks if opposing GM’s are weary of the quality of players available. But if you have multiple guys you like it’s worth it to ask because it might not cost as much as you think.

[Yallbecrazy]

Those who want Hawkins, why? Podziemski seems quite superior as a prospect.
He's a better athlete, defender, vastly superior rebounder, significantly better passer, better around the rim, has a floater, 10 months younger, better passer...not quite the shooter, but not far off.

[JShuttlesworth]

Wallace, Hawkins, George, Smith Jr.

Get those 4 guys in for a workout on the same day if possible

[BoyzNTheHood]

Wallace, Hawkins, George, Smith Jr.

Get those 4 guys in for a workout on the same day if possible

Agents have prospects dodging workouts like crazy during the pre-draft process

[JShuttlesworth]

Wallace, Hawkins, George, Smith Jr.

Get those 4 guys in for a workout on the same day if possible

Agents have prospects dodging workouts like crazy during the pre-draft process

I would think any of those kid's agents would be happy to have them land in Toronto given our guard situation

Wallace probably wont be on the board though

[Psubs]

These are the types of drafts where it should be easier to acquire multiple draft picks if opposing GM’s are weary of the quality of players available. But if you have multiple guys you like it’s worth it to ask because it might not cost as much as you think.

Dallas and Portland look like they want to compete. Portland has the top 5 pick and #23 right now.

What about #23 and Nassir Little for Precious Achiuwa and Malachi Flynn? Portland could use more players than can play the 4 and a bit of 5. After getting Thybulle and Reddish, the SF position is crowded in Portland. Flynn could also be the backup PG.
Toronto that gets a young SF that can shoot the 3 around 35%.

I would like Wallace and Cissoko.

PG FVV - Dowtin/Wallace
SG OG - Trent - Banton/Cissoko
SF Siakam - Little - Harper/Cissoko
PF Barnes - Siakam - OG
C Poeltl - Koloko

[Yallbecrazy]

These are the types of drafts where it should be easier to acquire multiple draft picks if opposing GM’s are weary of the quality of players available. But if you have multiple guys you like it’s worth it to ask because it might not cost as much as you think.

Dallas and Portland look like they want to compete. Portland has the top 5 pick and #23 right now.

What about #23 and Nassir Little for Precious Achiuwa and Malachi Flynn? Portland could use more players than can play the 4 and a bit of 5. After getting Thybulle and Reddish, the SF position is crowded in Portland. Flynn could also be the backup PG.
Toronto that gets a young SF that can shoot the 3 around 35%.

I would like Wallace and Cissoko.

PG FVV - Dowtin/Wallace
SG OG - Trent - Banton/Cissoko
SF Siakam - Little - Harper/Cissoko
PF Barnes - Siakam - OG
C Poeltl - Koloko

Malachi could fetch you a top 50 protected pick. Precious could net you a pick in the 40s.

[Yallbecrazy]

I'm taking Podz ahead of all the guys even potentially available to us except maybe Cason Wallace and Hendriks since there's almost 0 chance they are available. I think Cissoko is the other guy that's close, but still lean Podz.

[grant101]

Whoever this is, I gotta say, his highlight package is super enticing. He moves like a prototype raptor big wing. No clue if he's actually any good though.

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[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Those who want Hawkins, why? Podziemski seems quite superior as a prospect.
He's a better athlete, defender, vastly superior rebounder, significantly better passer, better around the rim, has a floater, 10 months younger, better passer...not quite the shooter, but not far off.

Podziemski shot a lot better than Hawkins why would you call him a lesser shooter? Uconn's offensive system also enabled Hawkins tremendously. Podziemski's eFG% was significantly higher and he scored in a far greater variety of ways.

[PhilBlackson]

Although I'm extremely doubtful, I just hope "Playoff D" (DeMar) can step up & knock us out of the Play-In so we can at least have some minor "control" over our draft where we can solidify at least finding a guard with higher upside to replace one of Fred or (more likely) Gary...

IF we didn't make it through the Play-In, I'll be praying one of Walker or Hendricks somehow falls to us but the order I'd choose the guards:

George
NS Jr
Wallace

I have nothing against picking Wallace, although I think he projects to be more like possibly a better Davion Mitchell than Jrue (who I think is a FAR more crafty ballhandler but maybe UK didn't use him right as many people ironically believe their guards are better than advertised because of how they're featured), so maybe I'm wrong. But to me even if he were to hit the level of a Marcus Smart (I think his upside is more inline with) or Jrue, is that really what will put the team over the hump long term?! I don't think were a Smart level player away from contending or at least being much more than a 1st to high side 2nd rd team, although ofc he looks like a special defender as a guard with just unbelievable ability to track the ball...

I'm not saying George would do so either but I think it would at least make it more fun & interesting as a fan, at least imo. I'm not sure if Keyonte is quite going to be able to reach the level of someone like Booker or maybe even Beal buuut I can see him not being too far off. I'm not comparing their styles as players but I could see George reaching the "level" of someone like Garland as a scorer and from what I heard he's at least a passable defender. Even if he turns out to basically be GT Jr with a much better bag, that's a nice replacement & I think having a secondary scorer for Pascal is just more important than adding another "OG" level defender on the wings from the guard position. No doubt it's valuable but I find this team at times badly stagnates in the half court because most of them are fairly limited off the dribble other than Pascal, and Fred is just too small that they can push him off the 3pt line. Someone like George will change how much attention any of those guys are getting when he starts breaking his man down off the dribble & KG has shown some flashes of passing.

While I like NS Jr's offensive IQ maybe more than both of the previous 2 names, I just don't see his skinny ass frame ever being that good of a defender and really I see more of a Herro, Bones, Poole type of player which would give a nice scoring punch but it's not dominant enough like Steph or prime Harden to offset his defensive shortcomings. I have to watch more of Hawkins tbh but he seemed like mainly just a really good 3+D player.

Annnd...if we do make the Playoffs then I just hope they roll the dice on someone with decent potential like Cissiko, Bilal, Whitehead, GG. Because this team must find a way to raise their ceiling somehow since they botched the last 2 deadlines for short term gains and more limited offensive players aren't the answer imo.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Whoever this is, I gotta say, his highlight package is super enticing. He moves like a prototype raptor big wing. No clue if he's actually any good though.

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I wonder how good the competition is in that league.

[BoyzNTheHood]

These are the types of drafts where it should be easier to acquire multiple draft picks if opposing GM’s are weary of the quality of players available. But if you have multiple guys you like it’s worth it to ask because it might not cost as much as you think.

Dallas and Portland look like they want to compete. Portland has the top 5 pick and #23 right now.

What about #23 and Nassir Little for Precious Achiuwa and Malachi Flynn? Portland could use more players than can play the 4 and a bit of 5. After getting Thybulle and Reddish, the SF position is crowded in Portland. Flynn could also be the backup PG.
Toronto that gets a young SF that can shoot the 3 around 35%.

I would like Wallace and Cissoko.

PG FVV - Dowtin/Wallace
SG OG - Trent - Banton/Cissoko
SF Siakam - Little - Harper/Cissoko
PF Barnes - Siakam - OG
C Poeltl - Koloko

Masai needs to be on their butts making them compete for OG and Pascal. The higher bidder gets both. Portland can easily beat anything Dallas has to offer outside of Luka so I’d think they would be the ones to secure a deal. They can send us Simons and Sharpe, but I’d be inclined to send Simons to a third team OR they can keep him and let us keep our pick.

Lillard
Simons/Raps pick SG
OG
Pascal
Nurkic

Looks formidable in the West. I’d say they need one more piece but that’s an excellent core when healthy.

[ATLTimekeeper]

The Raptors don't have a lot of trade bait and shouldn't be trading future firsts in order to gain entry into this one. Do you trade Boucher, a really good bench player on an already thin bench, for a late first where you might be able to get a really good bench player?

They're in a good range now, and there's really nobody outside of Wemby and Scoot I think is worth trading up for (and unless a team with an established PG gets Scoot, #2 is probably not getting traded).

[Rodrickle]

Bufkin has to be the skinniest 6'4 195 pounder ever. He looks more like 180 but definitely stronger than last year. Still big on him. We really need a good guard and his finishing/craftiness. I think his shooting will project too. If we lose the play in he'll probably be a reach though.

[WuTang_CMB]

Need guard/wing talent and we need to hit. No messing around this year picking 12-16.

[Psubs]

The Raptors don't have a lot of trade bait and shouldn't be trading future firsts in order to gain entry into this one. Do you trade Boucher, a really good bench player on an already thin bench, for a late first where you might be able to get a really good bench player?

They're in a good range now, and there's really nobody outside of Wemby and Scoot I think is worth trading up for (and unless a team with an established PG gets Scoot, #2 is probably not getting traded).

Definitely trade Boucher and hope that Precious can keep improving and take Boucher's minutes. Package Flynn with Boucher to squeeze out a 1st pick?

[Psubs]

Need guard/wing talent and we need to hit. No messing around this year picking 12-16.

Sign Donte DiVincenzo to the full MLE with max raises.