Trade Discussion 22/23

[BeiBeau]

Can you guys like... ignore each other and stop with the personal shots about stupidity, being a racist, etc?

It's really not a good look. I don't know who starts and what. And you have to understand that being a mod "isnt a privilege", it is a burden... because it's corny as hell to read some of these exchanges and act like I am some kind of adult having to lecture kids.

daoneandonly, you've bee on the board for a long time, yes. But your history has tons of warnings from elsewhere and you've been board banned on other places. You should know you're at times less than stellar. Yet you write that garbage that the other guy is some kind of racist.

One or two users have written about how when Green was doing well you weren't posting or Luka or something. I can't be sure of that since I havent been online as much during the first half of the season and didnt read many posts, but yeah... it was not just 41dirk41 who mentioned that kind of thing.

41Dirk41, I am sorry. But how hard is it to just ignore someone else? even if English may not be your 1st language... there is no excuse to attacking other users or obsess over some other people being "haters" as you see them.

daoneandonly wrote a post. It wasnt that crazy. You could have just said "hey dude, Kyrie wasnt replacing DFS." But no, you haveto be over the top aggressive about stupidty or whatever.

And hey, can you stop trying to get other users warned or something? Will you be happier if some random stranger on the internet is banned?

And stop mocking people in signatures?

Come on. It's not that complicated.

The board is small. It's not worth it to have these problems. And like I said, "Being a mod" is a "Burden". No one enjoys seeing this. The goal is too keep everyone okay enough to post their ideas, even if they somehow hate each other. At the end of the day... a forum isnt "real". Dont get personal. Its a waste of your time. Just close the tab and move on.

You're right Dirk, didnt mean to make your job harder. I do appreciate what you do (and have done) for the board.

We're all frustrated over this season, but we're also adults, so should act accordingly, me included.

20 bucks says we are going to be right here again in 3 weeks.

[BeiBeau]

Anyway,

Green is fine. McDaniels looks good but its hard to say if he is definitively a better player than Green.

Green has improved and gotten better every season and this was he biggest improvement yet. He almost doubled his scoring output, shot 40% from 3 and 50% from the field, had flashes of brilliance as a creator, defender, and scorer. If he continues his improvement he will be an excellent starter. Daoneandonly hates him but that doesn't make him a worse basketball player.

[BeiBeau]

What are the guys we should be hunting with the MLE?

I was looking at
Grant Williams
Bruce Brown
Jalen McDaniels
Naz Reid

I think Grant Williams would be ideal. We could maybe get him for the full MLE if he was guaranteed a starting job. He wants a bigger role.

[Ni Da Ye]

Cool, don't quote me ever again then, and I wont quote you. Listen me, you be good if you agree and put me on ignore.

Maybe we should not pay attention to nor take someone who says "listen me" or the quote below so seriously.

2th game of the season that i will not see this season (vs bulls was the First).

I think that 41Dirk41 is not from the US and his first language is not english. We all make grammar mistakes on these forums, i sure as hell know i make a lot of them. Just like i see a lot of americans still don't know the difference between "You're and Your"...

So I strongly believe we should cut some slack to those of us who's English is not a native language ;P

English is not my first language either. And it is not about that. And I agree pointing out language errors in general is pretty lame.

The point is: sure you cannot write perfect English, that's ok! But don't call other people stupid or low IQ when you don't even know how to count (1st 2nd 3rd), and THAT is what I find 41Dick41 super amusing/annoying.

[41Dirk41]

Maybe we should not pay attention to nor take someone who says "listen me" or the quote below so seriously.

I think that 41Dirk41 is not from the US and his first language is not english. We all make grammar mistakes on these forums, i sure as hell know i make a lot of them. Just like i see a lot of americans still don't know the difference between "You're and Your"...

So I strongly believe we should cut some slack to those of us who's English is not a native language ;P

English is not my first language either. And it is not about that. And I agree pointing out language errors in general is pretty lame.

The point is: sure you cannot write perfect English, that's ok! But don't call other people stupid or low IQ when you don't even know how to count (1st 2nd 3rd), and THAT is what I find 41Dick41 super amusing/annoying.

That's good, you can just stick me on this because about basketball you can't. Simply.

You are another that will disappeare next year when the Mavs raise again. So you are like a rat ready to go back to the sewers.

Bulls fan. Poser.

This user has been temp suspended

[Ni Da Ye]

Can you guys like... ignore each other and stop with the personal shots about stupidity, being a racist, etc?

It's really not a good look. I don't know who starts and what. And you have to understand that being a mod "isnt a privilege", it is a burden... because it's corny as hell to read some of these exchanges and act like I am some kind of adult having to lecture kids.

daoneandonly, you've bee on the board for a long time, yes. But your history has tons of warnings from elsewhere and you've been board banned on other places. You should know you're at times less than stellar. Yet you write that garbage that the other guy is some kind of racist.

One or two users have written about how when Green was doing well you weren't posting or Luka or something. I can't be sure of that since I havent been online as much during the first half of the season and didnt read many posts, but yeah... it was not just 41dirk41 who mentioned that kind of thing.

41Dirk41, I am sorry. But how hard is it to just ignore someone else? even if English may not be your 1st language... there is no excuse to attacking other users or obsess over some other people being "haters" as you see them.

daoneandonly wrote a post. It wasnt that crazy. You could have just said "hey dude, Kyrie wasnt replacing DFS." But no, you haveto be over the top aggressive about stupidty or whatever.

And hey, can you stop trying to get other users warned or something? Will you be happier if some random stranger on the internet is banned?

And stop mocking people in signatures?

Come on. It's not that complicated.

The board is small. It's not worth it to have these problems. And like I said, "Being a mod" is a "Burden". No one enjoys seeing this. The goal is too keep everyone okay enough to post their ideas, even if they somehow hate each other. At the end of the day... a forum isnt "real". Dont get personal. Its a waste of your time. Just close the tab and move on.

Dirk, to be fair, I never knew about the report button before you suggested to click the report button for certain posts we don't like.

Also I have long ago MOVED ON from 41Dick41, I never quoted him, never responded to him, and never paid attention to him again. And it seems like you are the one who doesn't see the trend that 41Dick41 ALWAYS initiates fight with others by quoting and provoking people.

Anyways, thanks for the essay and sorry about the trouble. My motto in life is I won't start any fight unless the fight is initiated by someone.

Most importantly PEACE. The Mavs board has always been great, let's keep it that way. I agree with you when you once said this is a family board, and I hope everyone understands that too.

[41Dirk41]

user has been suspended

daoneandonly, you've bee on the board for a long time, yes. But your history has tons of warnings from elsewhere and you've been board banned on other places. You should know you're at times less than stellar. Yet you write that garbage that the other guy is some kind of racist.

Oh well... It's pretty clear now.
He is a stated troll

My fault, i understand now.

What a pathetic guy. Bye bye.

[Archx]

Can you guys like... ignore each other and stop with the personal shots about stupidity, being a racist, etc?

It's really not a good look. I don't know who starts and what. And you have to understand that being a mod "isnt a privilege", it is a burden... because it's corny as hell to read some of these exchanges and act like I am some kind of adult having to lecture kids.

daoneandonly, you've bee on the board for a long time, yes. But your history has tons of warnings from elsewhere and you've been board banned on other places. You should know you're at times less than stellar. Yet you write that garbage that the other guy is some kind of racist.

One or two users have written about how when Green was doing well you weren't posting or Luka or something. I can't be sure of that since I havent been online as much during the first half of the season and didnt read many posts, but yeah... it was not just 41dirk41 who mentioned that kind of thing.

41Dirk41, I am sorry. But how hard is it to just ignore someone else? even if English may not be your 1st language... there is no excuse to attacking other users or obsess over some other people being "haters" as you see them.

daoneandonly wrote a post. It wasnt that crazy. You could have just said "hey dude, Kyrie wasnt replacing DFS." But no, you haveto be over the top aggressive about stupidty or whatever.



And hey, can you stop trying to get other users warned or something? Will you be happier if some random stranger on the internet is banned?

And stop mocking people in signatures?

Come on. It's not that complicated.

The board is small. It's not worth it to have these problems. And like I said, "Being a mod" is a "Burden". No one enjoys seeing this. The goal is too keep everyone okay enough to post their ideas, even if they somehow hate each other. At the end of the day... a forum isnt "real". Dont get personal. Its a waste of your time. Just close the tab and move on.

You're right Dirk, didnt mean to make your job harder. I do appreciate what you do (and have done) for the board.

We're all frustrated over this season, but we're also adults, so should act accordingly, me included.

20 bucks says we are going to be right here again in 3 weeks.

You probably meant, in 3 hours?

[Dirk]

41Dirk41 was suspended 12 hours.

It should be obvious that a lot of posts on this topic would be obvious "strikes"/warnings on other boards, but the tolerance on this board is high. But it has to stop at some point.

Don't bait the man. He has a good heart, but has italian blood and boils really fast. I have the impression he thinks being a fan just means supporting blindly or something of that nature and doesnt take well to some negative comments.

Hopefully he can avoid getting so personal with other users whe he returns (daone and ni da ye please stop adding to the fires).

[Archx]

What are the guys we should be hunting with the MLE?

I was looking at
Grant Williams
Bruce Brown
Jalen McDaniels
Naz Reid

I think Grant Williams would be ideal. We could maybe get him for the full MLE if he was guaranteed a starting job. He wants a bigger role.

Anyway, back to basketball.

Didn't Grant say a while back he wants a lot of money? But i'm not sure, i just thought i read it somewhere. Otherwise i think he would be great for MLE. And basically i like all your suggestions. It's just sometimes talent is there and this FO fails to see it.

I think this team is in such a desperation mode that basically anyone could start if he is at least able to play any lick of defense and grab rebounds But i would still target bigger athletic players that you can switch between center and PF.

[Archx]

Anyway, hope everyone has been praying to the basketball gods to keep the 10th pick or move up. That's when the real offseason starts.

You can stop worrying for a second now. Just money penalty

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[daoneandonly]

Anyway, hope everyone has been praying to the basketball gods to keep the 10th pick or move up. That's when the real offseason starts.

You can stop worrying for a second now. Just money penalty

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I think we're more worried about one of the teams behind us moving up and hence the Mavs conveying the pick to NY

[BeiBeau]

What are the guys we should be hunting with the MLE?

I was looking at
Grant Williams
Bruce Brown
Jalen McDaniels
Naz Reid

I think Grant Williams would be ideal. We could maybe get him for the full MLE if he was guaranteed a starting job. He wants a bigger role.

Anyway, back to basketball.

Didn't Grant say a while back he wants a lot of money? But i'm not sure, i just thought i read it somewhere. Otherwise i think he would be great for MLE. And basically i like all your suggestions. It's just sometimes talent is there and this FO fails to see it.

I think this team is in such a desperation mode that basically anyone could start if he is at least able to play any lick of defense and grab rebounds But i would still target bigger athletic players that you can switch between center and PF.

Dallas can receive sign and trades this offseason correct? Maybe a Reggie Bullock expiring + Cash for Grant Williams sign and trade at 4/72M. Boston gets a backup 3 and D role player gets some return for Williams who is probably going to walk meanwhile Dallas gets a bigger bodied serious upgrade on the wing.

[daoneandonly]

Grant WIlliams is solid, but 18 mill a year, he's not anywhere close to that. He's a 12-13 mil a guy year. You cant just overpay guys just to get them, not guys of his caliber at least.

[daoneandonly]

I hate Green because of the FO's decision to draft him over 2 guys who pretty much every mock draft and expert had ahead of him, and another guy who several others did who happened to play across the street at TCU, so the Mavs scouting team should have known better.

He had the most forgettable first 2 seasons, and this past season, where he improved, the team was garbage any way (for various reasons), so its not like we can say he's a difference maker.

[Archx]

What are the guys we should be hunting with the MLE?

I was looking at
Grant Williams
Bruce Brown
Jalen McDaniels
Naz Reid

I think Grant Williams would be ideal. We could maybe get him for the full MLE if he was guaranteed a starting job. He wants a bigger role.

Anyway, back to basketball.

Didn't Grant say a while back he wants a lot of money? But i'm not sure, i just thought i read it somewhere. Otherwise i think he would be great for MLE. And basically i like all your suggestions. It's just sometimes talent is there and this FO fails to see it.

I think this team is in such a desperation mode that basically anyone could start if he is at least able to play any lick of defense and grab rebounds But i would still target bigger athletic players that you can switch between center and PF.

Dallas can receive sign and trades this offseason correct? Maybe a Reggie Bullock expiring + Cash for Grant Williams sign and trade at 4/72M. Boston gets a backup 3 and D role player gets some return for Williams who is probably going to walk meanwhile Dallas gets a bigger bodied serious upgrade on the wing.

You're correct. Boston could even receive back trade exception if teams agree to that or whatever deal they make. If they re-sign Kyrie though, Mavs can only get back players with salary values up to 10M over their cap.

I hope you understand now why i tried to tell you yesterday about all those contracts of Bullock, Bertans and THJ which basically skyrocket Mavs cap to almost luxury treshold. In this case, Mavs can not do a sign and trade if they're above that. So yeah, Nico will have quite an interesting off season.

[Archx]

I hate Green because of the FO's decision to draft him over 2 guys who pretty much every mock draft and expert had ahead of him, and another guy who several others did who happened to play across the street at TCU, so the Mavs scouting team should have known better.

He had the most forgettable first 2 seasons, and this past season, where he improved, the team was garbage any way (for various reasons), so its not like we can say he's a difference maker.

Come on man, let it go I showed you in other thread that Mavs didn't even target players you wish they had drafted. I see no reason to hate Green for that. At least he is rapidly improving which is a great sign for this team moving forward. Would make much more sense if you wrote that you hate Cuban and Nico lol.

[daoneandonly]

Both KP trades were what set this franchise back more than anything. The pick still owed to NY has restricted us, and the trade with Washington was just nonsensical. KP is better than both Dinwiddie and the other guy, and yet somehow, Dallas gave up a 2nd as well. It just amde zero sense all around, as KP's contract was shorter than the other dude.

Nico doesnt know basketball, he knows shoes, apparel, and networking, that doesnt make for an effective GM.

[daoneandonly]

I hate Green because of the FO's decision to draft him over 2 guys who pretty much every mock draft and expert had ahead of him, and another guy who several others did who happened to play across the street at TCU, so the Mavs scouting team should have known better.

He had the most forgettable first 2 seasons, and this past season, where he improved, the team was garbage any way (for various reasons), so its not like we can say he's a difference maker.

Come on man, let it go I showed you in other thread that Mavs didn't even target players you wish they had drafted. I see no reason to hate Green for that. At least he is rapidly improving which is a great sign for this team moving forward. Would make much more sense if you wrote that you hate Cuban and Nico lol.

Oh I have a strong dislike for both, I stopped watching Shark Tank mostly because of Cuban . ANd the shoe guy has proven basketball is not in his wheelhouse

But Arch, its the snow ball effect. Think about all that has happened since 2020. If we drafted a maxey or Bane instead of Green, would losing Brunson even be an issue? We probably could have comfortably traded him tbh. WOuld we even have had to make that terrible trade with the Wizards? Stands to reason probably not because we wouldnt have needed a Dinwiddie.

[Dirk]

Anyway, hope everyone has been praying to the basketball gods to keep the 10th pick or move up. That's when the real offseason starts.

You can stop worrying for a second now. Just money penalty

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20% chance of Knicks keeping the pick. 1/5 feels like a "high" chance of losing the pick.