Trade Discussion 22/23

[Archx]

This is interesting. Nico getting some help.

Donnie, Nico, Finley and Dennis Lindsey will have one common problem. Mark Cuban.

It's like it doesn't even matter at this point anymore who's in the FO if Cuban is going Vivek 2.0 on them.

EDIT:

WIfe beater as a coach, shoe salesman as GM and a racist to help them out. Cuban sure knows how to pick em'.

In February, former Jazz player Elijah Millsap accused Jazz lead executive Dennis Lindsey of telling him in a 2015 exit meeting, “If you say one more word, I’ll cut your Black ass and send you back to Louisiana.”

[Maverick41]

All winning rosters are expensive.

Most winning rosters yes. Note, my only worry is the new CBA. If this was the current CBA, by all means, do it. It's a helluva roster and very solid trade proposals for all teams involved imo. But the new CBA will not just penalize ownership's pockets but our ability to sign free agents or buyouts when we go way over the tax. That's a scary problem if we have injury problems or this doesn't work out. Not to mention, OG could opt out and leave for nothing next offseason.

Keep the trade proposals coming though, I'm really enjoying your stuff.

[Maverick41]

WIfe beater as a coach, shoe salesman as GM and a racist to help them out. Cuban sure knows how to pick em'.
[/i]

Screw it, go all in. Sign Miles Bridges. Sign Ime Udoka as assistant coach. Who else am i missing

[dirkules_41]

This is interesting. Nico getting some help.

Donnie, Nico, Finley and Dennis Lindsey will have one common problem. Mark Cuban.

It's like it doesn't even matter at this point anymore who's in the FO if Cuban is going Vivek 2.0 on them.

EDIT:

WIfe beater as a coach, shoe salesman as GM and a racist to help them out. Cuban sure knows how to pick em'.

In February, former Jazz player Elijah Millsap accused Jazz lead executive Dennis Lindsey of telling him in a 2015 exit meeting, “If you say one more word, I’ll cut your Black ass and send you back to Louisiana.”

As much as I'm all for taking allegations seriously... why would anyone wait 7 years to raise this alleged incident? Seems fishy to me.

[Archx]

This is interesting. Nico getting some help.

Donnie, Nico, Finley and Dennis Lindsey will have one common problem. Mark Cuban.

It's like it doesn't even matter at this point anymore who's in the FO if Cuban is going Vivek 2.0 on them.

EDIT:

WIfe beater as a coach, shoe salesman as GM and a racist to help them out. Cuban sure knows how to pick em'.

In February, former Jazz player Elijah Millsap accused Jazz lead executive Dennis Lindsey of telling him in a 2015 exit meeting, “If you say one more word, I’ll cut your Black ass and send you back to Louisiana.”

As much as I'm all for taking allegations seriously... why would anyone wait 7 years to raise this alleged incident? Seems fishy to me.

Dunno. Point is, another potential staff member with red flags

[arkuo]

This is interesting. Nico getting some help.

Donnie, Nico, Finley and Dennis Lindsey will have one common problem. Mark Cuban.

It's like it doesn't even matter at this point anymore who's in the FO if Cuban is going Vivek 2.0 on them.

EDIT:

WIfe beater as a coach, shoe salesman as GM and a racist to help them out. Cuban sure knows how to pick em'.

In February, former Jazz player Elijah Millsap accused Jazz lead executive Dennis Lindsey of telling him in a 2015 exit meeting, “If you say one more word, I’ll cut your Black ass and send you back to Louisiana.”

Pretty sure Danny Ainge and the rest of Utah talk like this in private in their houses.

[Mavrelous]

WIfe beater as a coach, shoe salesman as GM and a racist to help them out. Cuban sure knows how to pick em'.
[/i]

Screw it, go all in. Sign Miles Bridges. Sign Ime Udoka as assistant coach. Who else am i missing

Dray!

[arkuo]

Dearon Fox, Malik Monk and Sabonis dont play defense but are now up 2-0 on the Warriors. They're doing something that the Mavs are not no matter how good Luka's stats look like. Other team gets the job done. Luka can get those 30 point triple doubles but Warriors almost swept them 4-1 and he was quiet as a lamb against Draymond. Try being like Sabonis and grab a leg and elbow someone in the paint next season instead of those stepback 35 footers then complain to the refs his arm got hit during the stepback allowing a 5 on 4 fastbreak on the other end. LOL

Every season Luka is on the mic and says I need to do better. Every season he hits 16 techs LMAO

[boogiezen]

Dearon Fox, Malik Monk and Sabonis dont play defense but are now up 2-0 on the Warriors. They're doing something that the Mavs are not no matter how good Luka's stats look like. Other team gets the job done. Luka can get those 30 point triple doubles but Warriors almost swept them 4-1 and he was quiet as a lamb against Draymond. Try being like Sabonis and grab a leg and elbow someone in the paint next season instead of those stepback 35 footers then complain to the refs his arm got hit during the stepback allowing a 5 on 4 fastbreak on the other end. LOL

Every season Luka is on the mic and says I need to do better. Every season he hits 16 techs LMAO

They lost to the Warriors because they didn't have gas left! Both Bullock and DFS had to play almost 40 mins against Utah and Phoenix. They didn't have enough gas left in chasing Curry, Thompson etc.

The Kings series, basically they're playing in the first round and they're all fresh. And this current version of GSW is off this season. Just look at the record at home vs. away.

There's a big difference.

[arkuo]

Dearon Fox, Malik Monk and Sabonis dont play defense but are now up 2-0 on the Warriors. They're doing something that the Mavs are not no matter how good Luka's stats look like. Other team gets the job done. Luka can get those 30 point triple doubles but Warriors almost swept them 4-1 and he was quiet as a lamb against Draymond. Try being like Sabonis and grab a leg and elbow someone in the paint next season instead of those stepback 35 footers then complain to the refs his arm got hit during the stepback allowing a 5 on 4 fastbreak on the other end. LOL

Every season Luka is on the mic and says I need to do better. Every season he hits 16 techs LMAO

They lost to the Warriors because they didn't have gas left! Both Bullock and DFS had to play almost 40 mins against Utah and Phoenix. They didn't have enough gas left in chasing Curry, Thompson etc.

The Kings series, basically they're playing in the first round and they're all fresh. And this current version of GSW is off this season. Just look at the record at home vs. away.

There's a big difference.

They're doing something different. Sacramento has been #2 or #3 in the standings all season not just the playoffs. None of them play defense and Sabonis is too undersized to be a center. Yet here they are. Sabonis is not 7 feet and has an even shorter wingspan. They just move the ball well to mask their weakness. Dallas can pick up and thing or two since they CAN play the same way. Dont downplay Sacramento's achievements. They're doing something right unlike Cuban.

[boogiezen]

Dearon Fox, Malik Monk and Sabonis dont play defense but are now up 2-0 on the Warriors. They're doing something that the Mavs are not no matter how good Luka's stats look like. Other team gets the job done. Luka can get those 30 point triple doubles but Warriors almost swept them 4-1 and he was quiet as a lamb against Draymond. Try being like Sabonis and grab a leg and elbow someone in the paint next season instead of those stepback 35 footers then complain to the refs his arm got hit during the stepback allowing a 5 on 4 fastbreak on the other end. LOL

Every season Luka is on the mic and says I need to do better. Every season he hits 16 techs LMAO

They lost to the Warriors because they didn't have gas left! Both Bullock and DFS had to play almost 40 mins against Utah and Phoenix. They didn't have enough gas left in chasing Curry, Thompson etc.

The Kings series, basically they're playing in the first round and they're all fresh. And this current version of GSW is off this season. Just look at the record at home vs. away.

There's a big difference.

They're doing something different. Sacramento has been #2 or #3 in the standings all season not just the playoffs. None of them play defense and Sabonis is too undersized to be a center. Yet here they are. Sabonis is not 7 feet and has an even shorter wingspan. They just move the ball well to mask their weakness. Dallas can pick up and thing or two since they CAN play the same way. Dont downplay Sacramento's achievements. They're doing something right unlike Cuban.

But you also have to considered that this is the first round. Dallas had to endure Game 7 against Phoenix and another series against Utah.

Clearly, there's no doubt that SAC has depth while Dallas has one dimensional players outside of Luka and Kyrie.

[Mavrelous]

Dearon Fox, Malik Monk and Sabonis dont play defense but are now up 2-0 on the Warriors. They're doing something that the Mavs are not no matter how good Luka's stats look like. Other team gets the job done. Luka can get those 30 point triple doubles but Warriors almost swept them 4-1 and he was quiet as a lamb against Draymond. Try being like Sabonis and grab a leg and elbow someone in the paint next season instead of those stepback 35 footers then complain to the refs his arm got hit during the stepback allowing a 5 on 4 fastbreak on the other end. LOL

Every season Luka is on the mic and says I need to do better. Every season he hits 16 techs LMAO

Defense is 90% effort, that's why I'm not buying the personnel excuse, same personnel was 6th in defense last year, Kings rotated like crazy and helped off of Draymond, and blitzed Curry, had they not been scared when shooting, this game would've been a blow out.
OTOH, Warriors are missing rotation big (Bilicia last year), big wing (OPJ), Wiggins was much better last year and Poole turned from Steph-light to Jamal Crawford on a bad day.

[Michaellam1987]

Dearon Fox, Malik Monk and Sabonis dont play defense but are now up 2-0 on the Warriors. They're doing something that the Mavs are not no matter how good Luka's stats look like. Other team gets the job done. Luka can get those 30 point triple doubles but Warriors almost swept them 4-1 and he was quiet as a lamb against Draymond. Try being like Sabonis and grab a leg and elbow someone in the paint next season instead of those stepback 35 footers then complain to the refs his arm got hit during the stepback allowing a 5 on 4 fastbreak on the other end. LOL

Every season Luka is on the mic and says I need to do better. Every season he hits 16 techs LMAO

Defense is 90% effort, that's why I'm not buying the personnel excuse, same personnel was 6th in defense last year, Kings rotated like crazy and helped off of Draymond, and blitzed Curry, had they not been scared when shooting, this game would've been a blow out.
OTOH, Warriors are missing rotation big (Bilicia last year), big wing (OPJ), Wiggins was much better last year and Poole turned from Steph-light to Jamal Crawford on a bad day.

Can't agree more on that. Defense is mainly about effort and team communication rather than talent.

[Archx]

Defense is 90% effort, that's why I'm not buying the personnel excuse, same personnel was 6th in defense last year, Kings rotated like crazy and helped off of Draymond, and blitzed Curry, had they not been scared when shooting, this game would've been a blow out.
OTOH, Warriors are missing rotation big (Bilicia last year), big wing (OPJ), Wiggins was much better last year and Poole turned from Steph-light to Jamal Crawford on a bad day.

But boogiezen is right. Mavs were running on dead legs against GSW. Luka was dead tired and couldn't carry like he did vs PHX. Looney was cooking Powell and Kidd had to play Luka on PF position with Maxi at center. They were left alone on the island when Curry/Wiggins and even Klay were getting by Brunson and Dinwiddie. Their perimeter defense was non existant as it was rim protection. If Mavs played them sooner, maybe they could have won more, as they almost did. Don't forget how close they got to winning 2nd or 3rd game, can't remember right now. If they had won that, series might have gone in completely other direction.

[Mavrelous]

Defense is 90% effort, that's why I'm not buying the personnel excuse, same personnel was 6th in defense last year, Kings rotated like crazy and helped off of Draymond, and blitzed Curry, had they not been scared when shooting, this game would've been a blow out.
OTOH, Warriors are missing rotation big (Bilicia last year), big wing (OPJ), Wiggins was much better last year and Poole turned from Steph-light to Jamal Crawford on a bad day.

But boogiezen is right. Mavs were running on dead legs against GSW. Luka was dead tired and couldn't carry like he did vs PHX. Looney was cooking Powell and Kidd had to play Luka on PF position with Maxi at center. They were left alone on the island when Curry/Wiggins and even Klay were getting by Brunson and Dinwiddie. Their perimeter defense was non existant as it was rim protection. If Mavs played them sooner, maybe they could have won more, as they almost did. Don't forget how close they got to winning 2nd or 3rd game, can't remember right now. If they had won that, series might have gone in completely other direction.

I still wonder what would've happened had the Mavs withstood the 3rd qtr blitz in game 2...

[Archx]

Defense is 90% effort, that's why I'm not buying the personnel excuse, same personnel was 6th in defense last year, Kings rotated like crazy and helped off of Draymond, and blitzed Curry, had they not been scared when shooting, this game would've been a blow out.
OTOH, Warriors are missing rotation big (Bilicia last year), big wing (OPJ), Wiggins was much better last year and Poole turned from Steph-light to Jamal Crawford on a bad day.

But boogiezen is right. Mavs were running on dead legs against GSW. Luka was dead tired and couldn't carry like he did vs PHX. Looney was cooking Powell and Kidd had to play Luka on PF position with Maxi at center. They were left alone on the island when Curry/Wiggins and even Klay were getting by Brunson and Dinwiddie. Their perimeter defense was non existant as it was rim protection. If Mavs played them sooner, maybe they could have won more, as they almost did. Don't forget how close they got to winning 2nd or 3rd game, can't remember right now. If they had won that, series might have gone in completely other direction.

I still wonder what would've happened had the Mavs withstood the 3rd qtr blitz in game 2...

Oh, it was game 2? Damn, yeah.. that was such a shame. It really looked good and Mavs would have had full momentum going forward. It felt like they poured everything they had into that game. Oh well

[41Dirk41]

Dearon Fox, Malik Monk and Sabonis dont play defense but are now up 2-0 on the Warriors. They're doing something that the Mavs are not no matter how good Luka's stats look like. Other team gets the job done. Luka can get those 30 point triple doubles but Warriors almost swept them 4-1 and he was quiet as a lamb against Draymond. Try being like Sabonis and grab a leg and elbow someone in the paint next season instead of those stepback 35 footers then complain to the refs his arm got hit during the stepback allowing a 5 on 4 fastbreak on the other end. LOL

Every season Luka is on the mic and says I need to do better. Every season he hits 16 techs LMAO

Defense is 90% effort, that's why I'm not buying the personnel excuse, same personnel was 6th in defense last year, Kings rotated like crazy and helped off of Draymond, and blitzed Curry, had they not been scared when shooting, this game would've been a blow out.
OTOH, Warriors are missing rotation big (Bilicia last year), big wing (OPJ), Wiggins was much better last year and Poole turned from Steph-light to Jamal Crawford on a bad day.

Exactly, anyone who has played basketball at any competitive level would agree with this.

Mavs quit this season, can't be only the loss of a good defender the reason of that disaster.

[BliscoSantos]

If Kyrie resigns I hope he recruits some Players on a cheap contract(he seems to be liked by other Players)...Mavs definetly need to get Younger and more athletic...P.J. Washington, Kelly Oubre, Hachimura, Mcdaniels, Cameron Johnson, Jaxon Hayes, Naz Reid,Watanabe should be some of the Players they should have a Look at...than there are some young(talented) Players who could fill the two ways like Orlando Robinson, E.J. Lidell,Luka Garza,maybe some Players who aren't gonna be drafted this season...I'd also Look at Pipen Jr. and Harper Jr...there Will be Young Players available for the g-league Squad,Mavs Just need to make sure they're better at evaluating talent than they were right now

[SOUNDCHASER]

If Irving leaves we can probably take restricted free agents from LA because they will be going way over the cap so keeping free agents that are restricted may be difficult for them to do.

I would definitely snag Rui Hachimura if that situation developed not sure anything else appeals to me. Maybe D Lo if he took a pay cut. I would play Hardy ahead of him even Green.

Rui could be a starter at SF. With Irving gone we would likely have to use Hardy and Green both at SG with Hardy having to back up Luka. Rui is 6'8 and can play PF and almost scored 30 points the other day against Memphis.

Add in GG Jackson, Zach Edey and Naz possibly undrafted PG Juan Nunez and your able to add 5 new guys before using Bertans contract and other assets to target a decent player in trade. Those moves would improve the team a great deal and if somehow we do lose the pick in the drawing then we would have a SF/PF to use in Rui and a MLE may get him on the team without us having to take a lot of players back in trade to do a sign and trade with LA. Losing Irving would mean we had a lot more $$$ to spend to outbid LA for his services. He is a great 3 point shooter as well so he is borderline all star. Cameron Johnson is another target we might want to tackle but the situation in BKN is a little different they are not as constrained against over bidding others as LA will be.

A coach that can develop younger players would be needed and I would definitely pray that we get to keep # 10 and I wonder who LA would target with their cap space if LA said no to them? Obviously they would probably lean towards keeping D Lo so that is great and it might still cause them to let Rui go to another team. Jackson at 6'0 and still growing hopefully would be a future talent who may be even better at SF but definitely a defensive force at PF to help mask any deficiency caused by Zachs being unable to hit 3 pointers and defend the perimeter as well. He would be a great small ball center I think especially if he continues to grow.

Irving stays and we get #10 most of these moves can still be done, if a MLE is enough to secure Rui he might want to enjoy Texas Taxes and come here over another offer. but Other teams might try to go higher than we can and take him out of the picture.

Still all these moves would improve our teams defense and allow us to compete against teams with legit centers and give us an advantage in size. That probably would not fit with Kidds small ballitis mental illness but he may not be coach here for much longer if he cannot find a cure for that issue.

[Archx]

If Kyrie resigns I hope he recruits some Players on a cheap contract(he seems to be liked by other Players)...Mavs definetly need to get Younger and more athletic...P.J. Washington, Kelly Oubre, Hachimura, Mcdaniels, Cameron Johnson, Jaxon Hayes, Naz Reid,Watanabe should be some of the Players they should have a Look at...than there are some young(talented) Players who could fill the two ways like Orlando Robinson, E.J. Lidell,Luka Garza,maybe some Players who aren't gonna be drafted this season...I'd also Look at Pipen Jr. and Harper Jr...there Will be Young Players available for the g-league Squad,Mavs Just need to make sure they're better at evaluating talent than they were right now

It would mean that Mavs would need to completely restructure entire team and basically clean up the house. Unfortunately that will be extremely hard to do, specially if Kyrie resigns. They will be stuck with (probably) a lot of existing players, even though Nico said some of them won't be here next season. That might be true but probably not to the extent we all would want.

But i still like the idea of going younger, more athletic pushing the tempo and finally have more flexibility around the rim.