Chicago Bulls Win Tie Breaker; Magic get 11th pick if no changes

[Ralof]

very good,#7 or 8 + #11 draft picks would be not bad at all.
as for the choices theirself: choose always BPA.

if you see two guys with more potential than others,go for them,even if that means taking more bust-risks.

[Ducklett]

Dick and Wallace at 6 and 11 respectively. It is so easy.

[SOUL]

Wait wait wait

I didn't say Magic should not draft SF-PF at all, i said

Re: Chicago Bulls Win Tie Breaker; Magic get 11th pick if no changes
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Post#15 » by pepe1991 » 58 minutes ago

i would not draft SF nor PF with Magic pick. That's just another Bamba situation where player has no serious path toward playin more than occesional 12-15 mpg and sporadic DNP-CDs in near future due playing behind two superior wings who Magic investing future into.

Imo, drafting high SF-PF and having Banchero and Franz isn't optimal usage of Magic's pick. Especially if your guard rotation is made out of bench level guards.

Okay fair, I saw that but just wanted to debunk a few things, but it's fair.

I just disagree in the sense that just like teams can play 3 guards, can definitely play 3 wings a lot, esp if you think Isaac won't be healthy. Easy 20 mins off the bench for them. Like I said, the starting guards are easiest to replace on this team.. but the path to early minutes seems harder. MAYBE if there's a shooter to replace Harris then there's a slot at SG available.. not sure if we will keep drafting guards unless we're 100% moving on from one of them this season.

The other issue is that if this was a guard heavy draft at our positions, I wouldn't care, but seems to be a very wing heavy draft .. we'll see what names move during the next month or two though.

[SOUL]

They need to draft a starting-quality guard. This FO has had six drafts, seven first-rounders, and five lottery picks, and has yet to grab a starting guard, or even a shooter.

It's not easy to find great shooting/scoring guards from the draft. Most need years to even be good at it.

It's weird though, guards in the 20s seem to be much more safe selections - Bane, Grimes, Quickley.

Anywhere near top it seems very iffy.. Kispert ehh he's okay, Monk took 5 years to be himself, Johnny Davis bust, Coby White took years to be okay, Bouknight lol, Moody barely getting a chance and not doing much with it

Honestly feel like it's easier to just go g-league or undrafted and get a Reaves or Strus or Seth Curry or sign a shooter.

[Ralof]

btw two immediate lottery picks,one of that before in 6-10 range,and other two first rounders(and magic ones have a chance to be good)would be the ideal package to try to get a star during draft night.

when someone say this is the best chance we have to make the "all-in",it's exactly that.

[pepe1991]

They need to draft a starting-quality guard. This FO has had six drafts, seven first-rounders, and five lottery picks, and has yet to grab a starting guard, or even a shooter.

It's not easy to find great shooting/scoring guards from the draft. Most need years to even be good at it.

It's weird though, guards in the 20s seem to be much more safe selections - Bane, Grimes, Quickley.

Anywhere near top it seems very iffy.. Kispert ehh he's okay, Monk took 5 years to be himself, Johnny Davis bust, Coby White took years to be okay, Bouknight lol, Moody barely getting a chance and not doing much with it

Honestly feel like it's easier to just go g-league or undrafted and get a Reaves or Strus or Seth Curry or sign a shooter.

2022 had several great names that it's a shame aren't in 2023 draft. Mathurin, Williams and Sharpe all are arhytypes of players Magic could really use.

[Skybox]

Soooo... we draft a guard woth the higher pick qnd draft a forward withe the 11th? Or vice-versa?

Just looking at the players, I’d guess forward first, there’s several shooting wings that should be around at 11…unless the FO goes all in on a Thompson or Black PG early. I doubt it.

So we drafting 2 wing forwards when we kinda lack scoring shooting guards?

“Wing” = a 2/3….a longer shooting guard, which this draft is loaded at the back half of the lottery. Your definition is, apparently different.

Our need at SG is greater, but the talent is less prevalent at our likely first spot and there are multiple options likely at CHI pick…so you draft for quality depth early. If FO thinks super highly of Hawkins, for example, just pick him at 6. If we move up or down, of course you alter plans…no way (if you use both picks) do you not draft a SG.

Highest rated SG (who can actually shoot) aren’t rated that high on mock drafts. I’m not interested in SGs that can’t shoot on this roster.

*edit…trades and/or FA is where we could make the bigger move to upgrade our backcourt situation. We ARE at a point where fit is critical, but taking a guy valued at #10 4 slots earlier in the lottery, just for fit, is poor asset management. If we come away with BPA with our pick and Hawkins, Sensibaugh, Howard, or Wallace with CHI pick…that’s a good haul…especially if we also make a trade for another proven young scorer like Simons or Poole.

ORL sends ORL 24 frp (top 4) and DEN 25 frp, Okeke, Harris to POR for Simons (assuming POR bundles for a win-now player)
ORL drafts Hendricks (Or WAlker or Whitmore…) at 6, ORL drafts Hawkins at 12

Fultz, Cole, Suggs
Simons, Suggs, Hawkins
Franz, Hawkins, Houstan
Paolo, Hendricks, M. Wagner
WCJ, Isaac , Goga

[CarraT]

They need to draft a starting-quality guard. This FO has had six drafts, seven first-rounders, and five lottery picks, and has yet to grab a starting guard, or even a shooter.

It's not easy to find great shooting/scoring guards from the draft. Most need years to even be good at it.

It's weird though, guards in the 20s seem to be much more safe selections - Bane, Grimes, Quickley.

Anywhere near top it seems very iffy.. Kispert ehh he's okay, Monk took 5 years to be himself, Johnny Davis bust, Coby White took years to be okay, Bouknight lol, Moody barely getting a chance and not doing much with it

Honestly feel like it's easier to just go g-league or undrafted and get a Reaves or Strus or Seth Curry or sign a shooter.

2022 had several great names that it's a shame aren't in 2023 draft. Mathurin, Williams and Sharpe all are arhytypes of players Magic could really use.

I agree. Though i remember you were calling Sharpe a future bust and next RJ Hampton all pre draft time

[basketballRob]

It's not easy to find great shooting/scoring guards from the draft. Most need years to even be good at it.

It's weird though, guards in the 20s seem to be much more safe selections - Bane, Grimes, Quickley.

Anywhere near top it seems very iffy.. Kispert ehh he's okay, Monk took 5 years to be himself, Johnny Davis bust, Coby White took years to be okay, Bouknight lol, Moody barely getting a chance and not doing much with it

Honestly feel like it's easier to just go g-league or undrafted and get a Reaves or Strus or Seth Curry or sign a shooter.

2022 had several great names that it's a shame aren't in 2023 draft. Mathurin, Williams and Sharpe all are arhytypes of players Magic could really use.

I agree. Though i remember you were calling Sharpe a future bust and next RJ Hampton all pre draft time

I remember making an argument to pick him first because he was exactly what we needed.

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[CarraT]

2022 had several great names that it's a shame aren't in 2023 draft. Mathurin, Williams and Sharpe all are arhytypes of players Magic could really use.

I agree. Though i remember you were calling Sharpe a future bust and next RJ Hampton all pre draft time

I remember making an argument to pick him first because he was exactly what we needed.

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Yes, some did. But i believe everyone is happy how it ended up, as Banchero turned out to be a true #1 pick (something i didnt believed first, i was on team Smith Jr)

[pepe1991]

It's not easy to find great shooting/scoring guards from the draft. Most need years to even be good at it.

It's weird though, guards in the 20s seem to be much more safe selections - Bane, Grimes, Quickley.

Anywhere near top it seems very iffy.. Kispert ehh he's okay, Monk took 5 years to be himself, Johnny Davis bust, Coby White took years to be okay, Bouknight lol, Moody barely getting a chance and not doing much with it

Honestly feel like it's easier to just go g-league or undrafted and get a Reaves or Strus or Seth Curry or sign a shooter.

2022 had several great names that it's a shame aren't in 2023 draft. Mathurin, Williams and Sharpe all are arhytypes of players Magic could really use.

I agree. Though i remember you were calling Sharpe a future bust and next RJ Hampton all pre draft time

Nop? went to see my history, at one point i had him 3rd on my draft board

I just HATED his college situation and to me it felt like ducking from competition to not hinder draft stock. Year later, i still have same sentiment about all that.
Only time i mentioned him in RJ Hampton context is fact that RJ would have been top 10 pick if he didn't show up in professional league in New Zeland.

My favorite "bash" in 2022 draft was Jabari Smith. It wasn't really bashing, i just didn't like notion he is 1st overall pick talent

[JoshuaPotter]

Why should we celebrate we got #11 instead of #12? It won't matter anyway, people continue to say that for the #6 pick that could be higher, but we decided to win some meaningless games...

BTW, draft pick power rankings, we rate 1st, but I'd prefer to be 3rd or 4th:
https://www.tankathon.com/power_rankings

You say how little picks matter. Then claim we are in the best position, but rather we be in a worst position.

I am missing the point entirely of this post. Sorry MoMM.

[JoshuaPotter]

First Sim lottery at tankathon has us getting 2nd / 11th picks.

From the 2nd, I would prefer Scoot but wouldn't be mad with Brandon Miller either.

It really likes us drafting Brice Sensabaugh SF for 11th.

[eyriq]

First Sim lottery at tankathon has us getting 2nd / 11th picks.

From the 2nd, I would prefer Scoot but wouldn't be mad with Brandon Miller either.

It really likes us drafting Brice Sensabaugh SF for 11th.

I noticed the Brice thing too.

[MoMM]

Why should we celebrate we got #11 instead of #12? It won't matter anyway, people continue to say that for the #6 pick that could be higher, but we decided to win some meaningless games...

BTW, draft pick power rankings, we rate 1st, but I'd prefer to be 3rd or 4th:
https://www.tankathon.com/power_rankings

You say how little picks matter. Then claim we are in the best position, but rather we be in a worst position.

I am missing the point entirely of this post. Sorry MoMM.

Power ranking doesn't matter if you don't take into account the draft class.

[drsd]

Today's talkathon pul: 3 and 11.

Go MAGIC!

Dick and Wallace at 6 and 11 respectively. It is so easy.

It is VERY unlikely the Magic draft 6th. The Magic is more likely, individually, to draft 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th, or 8th than 6th.
Six is at an 8.62% chance outcome. That's about the same odds of Chicago going top-4 and the Magic losing that pick.

Still: at 7 (the most likely slot for Orlando), there is a good chance either Dick or Hendricks is available. But it is not a "horrible" outcome for Orlando to draft a Thomoson or Black, either with the Magic pick.

At 11, I can't see Wallace. For upside, Whitmore makes more sense. Personally, I am really hopeful for GG Jackson. He has all those lunchpail-type qualities teams need in the 4-8 range of the depth chart.

[RookieStar]

Dick and Wallace at 6 and 11 respectively. It is so easy.

But those draft spots are too high for either of them.

[drsd]

Dick and Wallace at 6 and 11 respectively. It is so easy.

But those draft spots are too high for either of them.

Dick at 7 is a good pick. Wallace at 11 is a stretch. But an in draft trade could make sense. For example, let's say the Magic draft Nick Smith at 11 and some team at 15 drafts Wallace. Orlando could trade the rights of Jackson and this years SRP for next years FRP. This would be to a team like Atlanta.

This effectively becomes a 11 and SRP for 15 and a FRP next year. Not bad value. And get the Magic more than cash considerations for the SRP.

[drsd]

NBAdraft.net has the Magic drafting Keyontae Johnson with the SRP. He would be a super interesting two-way player to spend the first half of the season in the rodeo-arena. Some late-season appearance then lead to some sort of actual evaluation to see if he could make the roster next season. I like it. (And I like that there are now three TW players for such obvious developmental reasons.)

[JBSouthpaw]

NBAdraft.net has the Magic drafting Keyontae Johnson with the SRP. He would be a super interesting two-way player to spend the first half of the season in the rodeo-arena. Some late-season appearance then lead to some sort of actual evaluation to see if he could make the roster next season. I like it. (And I like that there are now three TW players for such obvious developmental reasons.)

I would really like him on this team, he's tough and smart and shoots well.
I also think he goes in the 1st round and won't make it to our 2nd rd pick.