2023 NBA Playoffs, Round 1, Game 2: Heat @ Bucks, 4/19, 9:00pm EST

[greg4012]

Bam is a very necessary player on a contender to compliment the all-stars/elite players. Unless he elevates his game in future he's just not that guy. He helps round out a team w/ his defense & teammanship but his not the type to win you ball games. Which begs the question wether his worth the money we gave him so prematurely.

43rd highest paid player in the NBA . . .

I don't see how this warrants being a topic of conversation.

[al bondiga]

Both bosh and bam are very good ... What makes Bosh almost great It is the fact that he could compromise and that's What brought him 2 championships (Not only playing with Lebron, wade and Allen)

Bam is still young and he has a long way to go to fill in bosh shoes, but...he is doing it so far!!

[contract]

Bam is a very necessary player on a contender to compliment the all-stars/elite players. Unless he elevates his game in future he's just not that guy. He helps round out a team w/ his defense & teammanship but his not the type to win you ball games. Which begs the question wether his worth the money we gave him so prematurely.

43rd highest paid player in the NBA . . .

I don't see how this warrants being a topic of conversation.

Some people can't get around the word "max". They can't seem to comprehend that Bam's max is NOT the NBA max. That the max contract for a young player coming off his rookie deal is not the same as the max contract that veteran players get.

And yeah we paid him before we had to ... by one whole season. Was it a mistake? I thought so. But that has no baring on if he's earning his money or not.

As crazy as it sounds, people are just irritated with Bam because he doesn't miss more shots. If he took 3 more questionable shots per game and made 1, this crowd would think he's an offensive machine.

[al bondiga]

99% of rich people are very cheap...so arison Most have his reasons

when he got bosh, Lebron, wade and Allen it was proof that he Is willing

very Rich people just play What they think life is the same as everyone else

[wade44]

Don’t see anything wrong with it, IMO it’s disrespectful to even mention an unproven Bam in the same breath as a Heat legend like Bosh. All those sacrifices + big moments in big playoff games and this is the level of respect shown? Too many prisoners of the moment and the what have you done for me lately crowd on the internet

Prisoners of what moment? Coming off getting wrecked and Bam having a very mediocre game?

The facts are the facts in any moment. Heat fans have built up Bosh in their memories to something he was not. That's fine 99% of the time since it hurts no one. Bosh was not the scoring machine that Heat fans remember him to be. He barely outscored Bam while taking more shots and more inefficient shots even while he was the 3rd option in the Big 3 era. When Lebron left and Bosh was maxed out (again) and expected to take on more of the scoring load, his average only rose to 21.1 ppg on 16.9 shots per game before the blood clots took him out ... which is .7 ppg more than Bam scored this season on 2 fewer shots per game.

Was Bosh more comfortable with his offensive game? Sure. But he didn't really accomplish more with it.

I don't know why that fact triggers some Heat fans, it's a fact anyway. Both are/were primarily complementary players who couldn't carry the team offensively but could do some damage. Bosh did most of his damage from outside of 10 ft ... Bam does most of his damage inside of 10 ft. Both are/were good defenders who do/did what was asked of them without complaining.

One is loved and the other despised for reasons that make absolutely no sense.

I’m indifferent on what the stats say because the present game is basically the inflated stats era. So no I don’t think Bam and Bosh would be interchangeable at all during big 3 era

Bosh was always classy and personified the Heat culture to a tee. Bam on the other hand is immature and makes statements like “we’re human”. That is simply inexcusable for a Heat mentality player

[oreon]

Don’t see anything wrong with it, IMO it’s disrespectful to even mention an unproven Bam in the same breath as a Heat legend like Bosh. All those sacrifices + big moments in big playoff games and this is the level of respect shown? Too many prisoners of the moment and the what have you done for me lately crowd on the internet

Prisoners of what moment? Coming off getting wrecked and Bam having a very mediocre game?

The facts are the facts in any moment. Heat fans have built up Bosh in their memories to something he was not. That's fine 99% of the time since it hurts no one. Bosh was not the scoring machine that Heat fans remember him to be. He barely outscored Bam while taking more shots and more inefficient shots even while he was the 3rd option in the Big 3 era. When Lebron left and Bosh was maxed out (again) and expected to take on more of the scoring load, his average only rose to 21.1 ppg on 16.9 shots per game before the blood clots took him out ... which is .7 ppg more than Bam scored this season on 2 fewer shots per game.

Was Bosh more comfortable with his offensive game? Sure. But he didn't really accomplish more with it.

I don't know why that fact triggers some Heat fans, it's a fact anyway. Both are/were primarily complementary players who couldn't carry the team offensively but could do some damage. Bosh did most of his damage from outside of 10 ft ... Bam does most of his damage inside of 10 ft. Both are/were good defenders who do/did what was asked of them without complaining.

One is loved and the other despised for reasons that make absolutely no sense.

I’m indifferent on what the stats say because the present game is basically the inflated stats era. So no I don’t think Bam and Bosh would be interchangeable at all during big 3 era

Bosh was always classy and personified the Heat culture to a tee. Bam on the other hand is immature and makes statements like “we’re human”. That is simply inexcusable for a Heat mentality player

Nah I disagree on that. Bam is a solid dude by all accounts. Dude come from nothing. He hasn't done anything to suggest he's immature. Basing that on a harmless statement like that is harsh.
But I don't think Bam and Bosh were interchangeable. The Big 3 era offense worked because Bosh was a consistent midrange jump shooter and could make 3s to give Lebron/Wade driving lanes. It doesn't work well with Bam who doesn't have the same range

[wade44]

Prisoners of what moment? Coming off getting wrecked and Bam having a very mediocre game?

The facts are the facts in any moment. Heat fans have built up Bosh in their memories to something he was not. That's fine 99% of the time since it hurts no one. Bosh was not the scoring machine that Heat fans remember him to be. He barely outscored Bam while taking more shots and more inefficient shots even while he was the 3rd option in the Big 3 era. When Lebron left and Bosh was maxed out (again) and expected to take on more of the scoring load, his average only rose to 21.1 ppg on 16.9 shots per game before the blood clots took him out ... which is .7 ppg more than Bam scored this season on 2 fewer shots per game.

Was Bosh more comfortable with his offensive game? Sure. But he didn't really accomplish more with it.

I don't know why that fact triggers some Heat fans, it's a fact anyway. Both are/were primarily complementary players who couldn't carry the team offensively but could do some damage. Bosh did most of his damage from outside of 10 ft ... Bam does most of his damage inside of 10 ft. Both are/were good defenders who do/did what was asked of them without complaining.

One is loved and the other despised for reasons that make absolutely no sense.

I’m indifferent on what the stats say because the present game is basically the inflated stats era. So no I don’t think Bam and Bosh would be interchangeable at all during big 3 era

Bosh was always classy and personified the Heat culture to a tee. Bam on the other hand is immature and makes statements like “we’re human”. That is simply inexcusable for a Heat mentality player

Nah I disagree on that. Bam is a solid dude by all accounts. Dude come from nothing. He hasn't done anything to suggest he's immature. Basing that on a harmless statement like that is harsh.
But I don't think Bam and Bosh were interchangeable. The Big 3 era offense worked because Bosh was a consistent midrange jump shooter and could make 3s to give Lebron/Wade driving lanes. It doesn't work well with Bam who doesn't have the same range

It’s not just that though, it’s reaction (or lacking of) to situations when the going gets tough like this past season. He needs to take notes from Jimmy on competitiveness and holding teammates accountable

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’ll say I was shocked myself to see Bosh averaged only .6 and 1.0 3 point attempts in the 2 seasons we won championships in the big 3 era.

We talk about it like he was getting 6 up a game, I was expecting to see at least 4 a game when I checked.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Question before starting the thread, should I compare Bams 4 years as a starter to Boshs 4 seasons with the big 3 where he was the 3rd option or should I include all 6 seasons of Bosh Heat tenure where he was the 2nd option for 2 seasons?

Just wondering because Bams years as a starter are also better than Bosh 2 years as a 2nd option but it might leave more room for debate because honestly his 4 starting seasons (1 as 5th option, 3 as 3rd) blow Bosh big 3 seasons out of the water.

[Vertical Limit]

No offense to the Bam fans.. i could never put him above Bosh. If we are comparing their offensive game, its night and day Bosh had a wayyyy better, more complete offensive game. It was polished, he can do it facing you, back to the basket, midrange, 3 pointer, had great vision, made sick passes..

And then, Bosh’s defense gets slept on too much. There was no other big in the league in his size that defended the pick and roll better. He trapped the lanes and had the athleticism to recover/pull back to the paint and defend that area.

Bam to me reminds me of mini Dwight Howard. Average offensive game, top tier defense

[oreon]

Question before starting the thread, should I compare Bams 4 years as a starter to Boshs 4 seasons with the big 3 where he was the 3rd option or should I include all 6 seasons of Bosh Heat tenure where he was the 2nd option for 2 seasons?

Just wondering because Bams years as a starter are also better than Bosh 2 years as a 2nd option but it might leave more room for debate because honestly his 4 starting seasons (1 as 5th option, 3 as 3rd) blow Bosh big 3 seasons out of the water.

You are comparing stats without context. Bam couldn't do Bosh role. Bosh would have been clear no 2 option with Butler and Heat would have been better team. The only one holding Bam back from being clear no 2 and eventual no 1 option is Bam.

[MHeat0279]

Bam is a very necessary player on a contender to compliment the all-stars/elite players. Unless he elevates his game in future he's just not that guy. He helps round out a team w/ his defense & teammanship but his not the type to win you ball games. Which begs the question wether his worth the money we gave him so prematurely.

43rd highest paid player in the NBA . . .

I don't see how this warrants being a topic of conversation.

Out of approximately 450 nba players, thats not too bad. Actually he is 38th

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Question before starting the thread, should I compare Bams 4 years as a starter to Boshs 4 seasons with the big 3 where he was the 3rd option or should I include all 6 seasons of Bosh Heat tenure where he was the 2nd option for 2 seasons?

Just wondering because Bams years as a starter are also better than Bosh 2 years as a 2nd option but it might leave more room for debate because honestly his 4 starting seasons (1 as 5th option, 3 as 3rd) blow Bosh big 3 seasons out of the water.

You are comparing stats without context. Bam couldn't do Bosh role. Bosh would have been clear no 2 option with Butler and Heat would have been better team. The only one holding Bam back from being clear no 2 and eventual no 1 option is Bam.

That’s just your opinion that Bam couldn’t do Boshs role but the fact of the matter is, they shot nearly the same amount of shots and their usage was nearly identical.

The only thing holding Bam back from being number 2 is Spo, this has been reported that Bam wants more of the scoring load thrown on him. They did up until the ASB but then it was time for supernova Jimmy so Bams shots and usage got knifed. The one needing to take a step back is Herro but if he’s not scoring what does he do for you?

Let’s hope if Bams 3rd option next season it’s to 2 elite players, like Bosh.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

No offense to the Bam fans.. i could never put him above Bosh. If we are comparing their offensive game, its night and day Bosh had a wayyyy better, more complete offensive game. It was polished, he can do it facing you, back to the basket, midrange, 3 pointer, had great vision, made sick passes..

And then, Bosh’s defense gets slept on too much. There was no other big in the league in his size that defended the pick and roll better. He trapped the lanes and had the athleticism to recover/pull back to the paint and defend that area.

Bam to me reminds me of mini Dwight Howard. Average offensive game, top tier defense

And that’s fine, if you like Bosh then you like Bosh. Both are great players and both will leave their mark on the Franchise when it’s all said and done but all that extra polish to his offensive game still made him a less efficient scorer than Bam and that was playing next to LeBron and Wade who would sky rocket Bams efficiency. Bam is also a far better passer than Bosh, that’s not even close.

Bosh was a really good defender, never on Bams level there though

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’ll say it again, if you’re going to complain about Bams contract then name every player in the league on their post rookie contract making less money than Bam that is 100% without a doubt better than Bam. If you can’t do that, don’t cry about his contract. He’s closer to being underpaid than overpaid.

Bosh vs Bam thread coming soon; I’ve got all Bosh stats typed up, big 3 era/post big 3 era/& cumulative playoff stats for the Heat. Taking a little break then I’ll pull Bams together and we can start the discussion

[oreon]

Question before starting the thread, should I compare Bams 4 years as a starter to Boshs 4 seasons with the big 3 where he was the 3rd option or should I include all 6 seasons of Bosh Heat tenure where he was the 2nd option for 2 seasons?

Just wondering because Bams years as a starter are also better than Bosh 2 years as a 2nd option but it might leave more room for debate because honestly his 4 starting seasons (1 as 5th option, 3 as 3rd) blow Bosh big 3 seasons out of the water.

You are comparing stats without context. Bam couldn't do Bosh role. Bosh would have been clear no 2 option with Butler and Heat would have been better team. The only one holding Bam back from being clear no 2 and eventual no 1 option is Bam.

That’s just your opinion that Bam couldn’t do Boshs role but the fact of the matter is, they shot nearly the same amount of shots and their usage was nearly identical.

The only thing holding Bam back from being number 2 is Spo, this has been reported that Bam wants more of the scoring load thrown on him. They did up until the ASB but then it was time for supernova Jimmy so Bams shots and usage got knifed. The one needing to take a step back is Herro but if he’s not scoring what does he do for you?

Let’s hope if Bams 3rd option next season it’s to 2 elite players, like Bosh.

It's not my opinion, its a fact. Go look at Bam vs Bosh short chart


Bosh has longer range and more shot variance. Bam on the other hand shots are mostly in the paint and the free throw area. Bam couldn't provide the same level of spacing for Lebron and Wade like Bosh did. His ability to space the floor was crucial to that offense

This is why looking at numbers with no context is pointless. It doesn't tell you what roles they were playing for their offense. Bosh is a far more suited to be a no 2 option than Bam cuz simply he's way more skilled. And we know why his numbers were down, he had sacrifice for two ball dominant wings in their prime

[Heat_Down_Under]

Question before starting the thread, should I compare Bams 4 years as a starter to Boshs 4 seasons with the big 3 where he was the 3rd option or should I include all 6 seasons of Bosh Heat tenure where he was the 2nd option for 2 seasons?

Just wondering because Bams years as a starter are also better than Bosh 2 years as a 2nd option but it might leave more room for debate because honestly his 4 starting seasons (1 as 5th option, 3 as 3rd) blow Bosh big 3 seasons out of the water.

It’s really hard to compare stats wise because a fair comparison would be Bosh’s Toronto stats till he was 25 compared to bams stats till now (same age).In saying that, bosh didn’t have a player like Jimmy on the raptors.. derozan was like what 20-21 years old.. so bosh was the number 1 option. If you swapped them over and we drafted bosh and he was 25 right now would we win a chip with bosh/Jimmy? I think yes. If bam was drafted back then with the raptors does he have better stats as first option? Most probably. Surely tho if bam guarded Kobe he wouldn’t have gotten 81 points tho right?

[Heat_Down_Under]

In terms of the big 3 era it was different.. when you had James and Wade guarding perimeter players bosh was holding down the fort in the paint against players like dirk, Timmy duncan etc.. if bam played with James and Wade, it would have changed the whole defensive scheme.. you couldn’t have James Wade and bam guarding the perimeter,as players like I mentioned would have a field day with no one in the paint.. that’s where I think bosh also has the edge. Hence it’s hard to compare unless u put bam in the paint and we have 2 elite defenders guarding the perimeter. How would bam have done against those hall of famers defensively in the paint?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Question before starting the thread, should I compare Bams 4 years as a starter to Boshs 4 seasons with the big 3 where he was the 3rd option or should I include all 6 seasons of Bosh Heat tenure where he was the 2nd option for 2 seasons?

Just wondering because Bams years as a starter are also better than Bosh 2 years as a 2nd option but it might leave more room for debate because honestly his 4 starting seasons (1 as 5th option, 3 as 3rd) blow Bosh big 3 seasons out of the water.

It’s really hard to compare stats wise because a fair comparison would be Bosh’s Toronto stats till he was 25 compared to bams stats till now (same age).In saying that, bosh didn’t have a player like Jimmy on the raptors.. derozan was like what 20-21 years old.. so bosh was the number 1 option. If you swapped them over and we drafted bosh and he was 25 right now would we win a chip with bosh/Jimmy? I think yes. If bam was drafted back then with the raptors does he have better stats as first option? Most probably. Surely tho if bam guarded Kobe he wouldn’t have gotten 81 points tho right?

That’s why I didn’t compare Toronto Bosh, he was the first option clear cut while Bam has been 3rd. I can only compare them in the situations we’ve been able to see and on similar roles. I will say when Jimmy sat this season Bam averaged 24-11-4 so he’s shown he can step up when needed.

Kobe wouldn’t have got 30 that game

[3ammy3uck3ts]

In terms of the big 3 era it was different.. when you had James and Wade guarding perimeter players bosh was holding down the fort in the paint against players like dirk, Timmy duncan etc.. if bam played with James and Wade, it would have changed the whole defensive scheme.. you couldn’t have James Wade and bam guarding the perimeter,as players like I mentioned would have a field day with no one in the paint.. that’s where I think bosh also has the edge. Hence it’s hard to compare unless u put bam in the paint and we have 2 elite defenders guarding the perimeter. How would bam have done against those hall of famers defensively in the paint?

Bam has been the better shot blocker and rebounder than Bosh despite playing so much more on the perimeter. It all comes to do what schemes Spo wants to run. Bosh wasn’t necessarily playing very good defense against other bigs straight up and a lot of the time he played PF as opposed to center