Bam since becoming a starter (4 years) vs Bosh Miami Heat Tenure (6 years)

[Heat_Down_Under]

I never said he was an offensive juggernaut but he’s 2nd in the entire league at points in the paint behind only Giannis so majority of his shots must not be 20 footers lol.

In fact, he attempted only 97 shots from 15+ feet this season so he must be getting exactly where he wants to go majority of the time.

There’s a difference in taking jump shots/floaters in the paint which inflates the points in the paint stat vs being able to blow past a bigger defender and get to the basket at will..majority of his shots are jumpers.. even when bam posts up it’s going to be a turn around jump shot. Doesn’t look to attack the rim or blow by bigger defenders.. so unable to? Or gets clamped into a jumper? I mean coz speed isn’t an issue with bam..

Majority of Bams attempts come within 5 feet, he’s getting exactly where he wants. Idk what point you’re trying to make here, Bam wants the jump shots, layups, floaters, etc in the paint. He’s made that an area he dominates. Giannis does not want to shoot 20 foot jumpers so if 15 of his 20 shot attempts are 20 foot jumpers he’s not getting where he wants to go or in other words the defense is shutting it down

Just trying to wrap my head around the whole bam is better than bosh offensively argeuement. The point I’m trying to make is bosh could do it all offensively.. If bam wants to take the shots he does and make them all that’s fine.. just don’t see how that makes him a more better offensive player than bosh..bam could be number 1 every year in the points in the paint stat with his shot selection and Noone around the league is going to say bam is a better offensive player than giannis etc..

[HEATVols865]

Take Bosh and put Bam in the Big 3 and we win less titles.


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[HEATVols865]

Bam is a much better skilled version of Joel Anthony.


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[contract]

Bam (last 4 seasons) vs Bosh (6 seasons with Miami):

Spoiler:

Bosh: Big 3 era (3rd option)

Pts-Reb-Ast-Blk-Stl format

2010-2011: 18.7-8.3-1.9-0.8-0.6 on 49.6% shooting, .569 TS%, 13.7 shots a game (0.3 from 3) 6.1 FTA at 81.5% in 36.3 minutes a game

Bosh had 23.5 usage this season, .177 WS/48, 1.2 BPM (1.4 offense, -0.2 defense) 2.3 VORP, 19.4 PER

2011-2012: 18.0-7.9-1.8-0.9-0.8 on 48.7% shooting, .551 TS%, 14.2 shots a game (0.6 from 3) 4.9 FTA at 82.1% in 35.2 minutes a game

Bosh had a 24.2 usage this season, .165 WS/48, 0.8 BPM (1.0 offense, -0.2 defense) 1.4 VORP, 18.9 PER

2012-2013: 16.6-6.8-1.7-0.9-1.4 on 53.5% shooting, .592 TS%, 12.3 shots a game (1.0 from 3) 4.1 FTA at 79.8% in 33.2 minutes a game

Bosh had a 22.7 usage this season, .175 WS/48, 1.3 BPM (1.5 offense, -0.2 defense) 2.1 VORP, 20.0 PER

2013-2014: 16.2-6.6-1.1-1.0-1.0 on 51.6% shooting, .597 TS%, 12.1 shots a game (2.8 from 3 at 34%) 3.4 FTA at 82% in 32 minutes a game

Bosh had a 22.6 usage this season, .152 WS/48, 0.8 BPM (1.3 offense, -0.5 defense) 1.8 VORP, 19.0 PER

Bosh: Post Big 3 Era (2nd Option)

2014-2015: 21.1-7.0-2.1-0.9-0.6 on 46% shooting, .548 TS%, 16.9 shots a game (3.8 from 3 at 37.5%) 5.3 FTA at 77.2% in 35.4 minutes a game

Bosh had a 28.4 usage this season, .111 WS/48, 1.2 BPM (2.5 offense, -1.3 defense) 1.3 VORP, 19.8 PER

2015-2016: 19.1-7.4-2.4-0.7-0.6 on 46.7% shooting, .571 TS%, 14.5 shots a game (4.2 from 3 at 36.5%) 5.1 FTA at 79.5% in 33.5 minutes a game

Bosh had a 24.7 usage this season, .172 WS/48, 4.0 BPM (3.6 offense, 0.4 defense) 2.7 VORP, 20.2 PER

Chris Bosh playoff stats with (Miami 78 games): 14.9-7.3-1.1-1.1-0.8 on 48.1% shooting on 11.6 shots a game (1.6 from 3 at 40.6%) 3.8 FTA at 79% in 34.7 MPG

Bam stats since becoming a starter (3rd option):

2019-2020: 15.9-10.2-5.1-1.1-1.3 on 55.7% shooting, .598 TS%, 11.0 shots a game, 5.3 FTA at 69.1% in 33.6 minutes a game

Bam had a 21.2 usage this season, .168 WS/48, 3.4 BPM (1.4 offense, 2.0 defense) 3.3 VORP, 20.3 PER

2020-2021: 18.7-9.0-5.4-1.2-1.0 on 57% shooting, .626 TS%, 12.5 shots a game, 5.5 FTA at 79.9% in 33.5 minutes a game

Bam had a 23.7 usage this season, .197 WS/48, 4.9 BPM (2.9 offense, 2.0 defense) 3.7 VORP, 22.7 PER

2021-2022: 19.1-10.1-3.4-1.4-0.8 on 55.7% shooting, .608 TS%, 13.0 shots a game, 6.1 FTA at 75.3% in 32.6 minutes a game

Bam had a 25.0 usage this season, .188 WS/48, 3.8 BPM (1.7 offense, 2.1 defense) 2.7 VORP, 21.8 PER

2022-2023: 20.4-9.2-3.2-1.2-0.8 on 54% shooting, .592 TS%, 14.9 shots a game, 5.4 FTA at 80.6% in 34.6 minutes a game

Bam had a 25.2 usage this season, .137 WS/48, 1.6 BPM (0.8 offense, 0.8 defense) 2.3 VORP, 20.1 PER

Bam playoff stats as a starter (43 games): 16.4-9.1-3.7-1.0-0.7 on 56.2% shooting, 11.3 shots a game, 4.8 FTA at 76.9% in 34.8 MPG

Especially when factoring in Bam being the better overall defender between the 2, he has been the better regular season and playoff performer between the 2 whether Bosh was the 3rd or 2nd option. Bams regular and advanced metrics both trump Boshs.

Bam is the better rebounder, passer, defender, scorer in the paint, and better at getting to the free throw line. Bosh right now is the better mid range shooter and 3 point shooter, he also made his free throws at a slightly better clip.

Bosh peaked in his overall development when he became a great 3 point shooter at 29-30, Bam is currently 25 and improving every single season. If that continues this won’t even be up for discussion as long as he stays in a Heat jersey.

Need Bam to get his 3 point attempts and percentages up to where Bosh was his final 2 years in Miami, that would take him to a whole other level and help the team a ton.

Bam as a starter >>>> Miami Heat Bosh

Good effort but you're just beating your head against a wall. They are determined that they are going to be right, facts be damned.

[contract]

Just trying to wrap my head around the whole bam is better than bosh offensively argeuement...

Whether you think he's better or not, there is no significant difference except for style. Bosh primarily scored from 16 ft and out, and Bam scores primarily in the paint. The results are pretty damn close.

[AirP.]

Just trying to wrap my head around the whole bam is better than bosh offensively argeuement...

Whether you think he's better or not, there is no significant difference except for style. Bosh primarily scored from 16 ft and out, and Bam scores primarily in the paint. The results are pretty damn close.

Bosh was much more diverse in his offense and toss in how much more space there is and it's really not that close on the offensive end. Defensively you give it to Bam though.

Look at it this way, down by 1, 10 seconds left, do you want the ball in Bam's or Bosh's hands? If you want by far the better chance of getting a good shot and making it, it's Bosh. They're different types of players.

[MHeat0279]

Thread will be better in the general board, that way we can avoid cherry picking stats and get an outside opinion about it without a fanatic's point of view.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

There’s a difference in taking jump shots/floaters in the paint which inflates the points in the paint stat vs being able to blow past a bigger defender and get to the basket at will..majority of his shots are jumpers.. even when bam posts up it’s going to be a turn around jump shot. Doesn’t look to attack the rim or blow by bigger defenders.. so unable to? Or gets clamped into a jumper? I mean coz speed isn’t an issue with bam..

Majority of Bams attempts come within 5 feet, he’s getting exactly where he wants. Idk what point you’re trying to make here, Bam wants the jump shots, layups, floaters, etc in the paint. He’s made that an area he dominates. Giannis does not want to shoot 20 foot jumpers so if 15 of his 20 shot attempts are 20 foot jumpers he’s not getting where he wants to go or in other words the defense is shutting it down

Just trying to wrap my head around the whole bam is better than bosh offensively argeuement. The point I’m trying to make is bosh could do it all offensively.. If bam wants to take the shots he does and make them all that’s fine.. just don’t see how that makes him a more better offensive player than bosh..bam could be number 1 every year in the points in the paint stat with his shot selection and Noone around the league is going to say bam is a better offensive player than giannis etc..

Bosh has a more well rounded offensive game than Bam but in a similar role it didn’t count for much. I’m shocked looking back at his numbers and seeing he wasn’t as efficient as I had thought

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam (last 4 seasons) vs Bosh (6 seasons with Miami):

Spoiler:

Bosh: Big 3 era (3rd option)

Pts-Reb-Ast-Blk-Stl format

2010-2011: 18.7-8.3-1.9-0.8-0.6 on 49.6% shooting, .569 TS%, 13.7 shots a game (0.3 from 3) 6.1 FTA at 81.5% in 36.3 minutes a game

Bosh had 23.5 usage this season, .177 WS/48, 1.2 BPM (1.4 offense, -0.2 defense) 2.3 VORP, 19.4 PER

2011-2012: 18.0-7.9-1.8-0.9-0.8 on 48.7% shooting, .551 TS%, 14.2 shots a game (0.6 from 3) 4.9 FTA at 82.1% in 35.2 minutes a game

Bosh had a 24.2 usage this season, .165 WS/48, 0.8 BPM (1.0 offense, -0.2 defense) 1.4 VORP, 18.9 PER

2012-2013: 16.6-6.8-1.7-0.9-1.4 on 53.5% shooting, .592 TS%, 12.3 shots a game (1.0 from 3) 4.1 FTA at 79.8% in 33.2 minutes a game

Bosh had a 22.7 usage this season, .175 WS/48, 1.3 BPM (1.5 offense, -0.2 defense) 2.1 VORP, 20.0 PER

2013-2014: 16.2-6.6-1.1-1.0-1.0 on 51.6% shooting, .597 TS%, 12.1 shots a game (2.8 from 3 at 34%) 3.4 FTA at 82% in 32 minutes a game

Bosh had a 22.6 usage this season, .152 WS/48, 0.8 BPM (1.3 offense, -0.5 defense) 1.8 VORP, 19.0 PER

Bosh: Post Big 3 Era (2nd Option)

2014-2015: 21.1-7.0-2.1-0.9-0.6 on 46% shooting, .548 TS%, 16.9 shots a game (3.8 from 3 at 37.5%) 5.3 FTA at 77.2% in 35.4 minutes a game

Bosh had a 28.4 usage this season, .111 WS/48, 1.2 BPM (2.5 offense, -1.3 defense) 1.3 VORP, 19.8 PER

2015-2016: 19.1-7.4-2.4-0.7-0.6 on 46.7% shooting, .571 TS%, 14.5 shots a game (4.2 from 3 at 36.5%) 5.1 FTA at 79.5% in 33.5 minutes a game

Bosh had a 24.7 usage this season, .172 WS/48, 4.0 BPM (3.6 offense, 0.4 defense) 2.7 VORP, 20.2 PER

Chris Bosh playoff stats with (Miami 78 games): 14.9-7.3-1.1-1.1-0.8 on 48.1% shooting on 11.6 shots a game (1.6 from 3 at 40.6%) 3.8 FTA at 79% in 34.7 MPG

Bam stats since becoming a starter (3rd option):

2019-2020: 15.9-10.2-5.1-1.1-1.3 on 55.7% shooting, .598 TS%, 11.0 shots a game, 5.3 FTA at 69.1% in 33.6 minutes a game

Bam had a 21.2 usage this season, .168 WS/48, 3.4 BPM (1.4 offense, 2.0 defense) 3.3 VORP, 20.3 PER

2020-2021: 18.7-9.0-5.4-1.2-1.0 on 57% shooting, .626 TS%, 12.5 shots a game, 5.5 FTA at 79.9% in 33.5 minutes a game

Bam had a 23.7 usage this season, .197 WS/48, 4.9 BPM (2.9 offense, 2.0 defense) 3.7 VORP, 22.7 PER

2021-2022: 19.1-10.1-3.4-1.4-0.8 on 55.7% shooting, .608 TS%, 13.0 shots a game, 6.1 FTA at 75.3% in 32.6 minutes a game

Bam had a 25.0 usage this season, .188 WS/48, 3.8 BPM (1.7 offense, 2.1 defense) 2.7 VORP, 21.8 PER

2022-2023: 20.4-9.2-3.2-1.2-0.8 on 54% shooting, .592 TS%, 14.9 shots a game, 5.4 FTA at 80.6% in 34.6 minutes a game

Bam had a 25.2 usage this season, .137 WS/48, 1.6 BPM (0.8 offense, 0.8 defense) 2.3 VORP, 20.1 PER

Bam playoff stats as a starter (43 games): 16.4-9.1-3.7-1.0-0.7 on 56.2% shooting, 11.3 shots a game, 4.8 FTA at 76.9% in 34.8 MPG

Especially when factoring in Bam being the better overall defender between the 2, he has been the better regular season and playoff performer between the 2 whether Bosh was the 3rd or 2nd option. Bams regular and advanced metrics both trump Boshs.

Bam is the better rebounder, passer, defender, scorer in the paint, and better at getting to the free throw line. Bosh right now is the better mid range shooter and 3 point shooter, he also made his free throws at a slightly better clip.

Bosh peaked in his overall development when he became a great 3 point shooter at 29-30, Bam is currently 25 and improving every single season. If that continues this won’t even be up for discussion as long as he stays in a Heat jersey.

Need Bam to get his 3 point attempts and percentages up to where Bosh was his final 2 years in Miami, that would take him to a whole other level and help the team a ton.

Bam as a starter >>>> Miami Heat Bosh

Good effort but you're just beating your head against a wall. They are determined that they are going to be right, facts be damned.

Oh I know and it really is a damn shame, god forbid we have actual discussion and debate about 2 all stars that have played on our team in similar roles.

It’s just a bunch of damn trolls acting like they’re geniuses and banding together because they’re mad that they were wrong about Bam when I was telling them they were wrong last season. It all came to light this year and majority have been quiet as hell except a little troll post here and there. That’s what you have to do when you’re not very knowledgeable though.

As I said, if this was horrible debate then it should be very easy to debunk, the response from the trolls is a **** ton of crickets.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Thread will be better in the general board, that way we can avoid cherry picking stats and get an outside opinion about it whouth a fanatic's point of view.

As I was saying……

[MHeat0279]

Bam (last 4 seasons) vs Bosh (6 seasons with Miami):

Spoiler:

Bosh: Big 3 era (3rd option)

Pts-Reb-Ast-Blk-Stl format

2010-2011: 18.7-8.3-1.9-0.8-0.6 on 49.6% shooting, .569 TS%, 13.7 shots a game (0.3 from 3) 6.1 FTA at 81.5% in 36.3 minutes a game

Bosh had 23.5 usage this season, .177 WS/48, 1.2 BPM (1.4 offense, -0.2 defense) 2.3 VORP, 19.4 PER

2011-2012: 18.0-7.9-1.8-0.9-0.8 on 48.7% shooting, .551 TS%, 14.2 shots a game (0.6 from 3) 4.9 FTA at 82.1% in 35.2 minutes a game

Bosh had a 24.2 usage this season, .165 WS/48, 0.8 BPM (1.0 offense, -0.2 defense) 1.4 VORP, 18.9 PER

2012-2013: 16.6-6.8-1.7-0.9-1.4 on 53.5% shooting, .592 TS%, 12.3 shots a game (1.0 from 3) 4.1 FTA at 79.8% in 33.2 minutes a game

Bosh had a 22.7 usage this season, .175 WS/48, 1.3 BPM (1.5 offense, -0.2 defense) 2.1 VORP, 20.0 PER

2013-2014: 16.2-6.6-1.1-1.0-1.0 on 51.6% shooting, .597 TS%, 12.1 shots a game (2.8 from 3 at 34%) 3.4 FTA at 82% in 32 minutes a game

Bosh had a 22.6 usage this season, .152 WS/48, 0.8 BPM (1.3 offense, -0.5 defense) 1.8 VORP, 19.0 PER

Bosh: Post Big 3 Era (2nd Option)

2014-2015: 21.1-7.0-2.1-0.9-0.6 on 46% shooting, .548 TS%, 16.9 shots a game (3.8 from 3 at 37.5%) 5.3 FTA at 77.2% in 35.4 minutes a game

Bosh had a 28.4 usage this season, .111 WS/48, 1.2 BPM (2.5 offense, -1.3 defense) 1.3 VORP, 19.8 PER

2015-2016: 19.1-7.4-2.4-0.7-0.6 on 46.7% shooting, .571 TS%, 14.5 shots a game (4.2 from 3 at 36.5%) 5.1 FTA at 79.5% in 33.5 minutes a game

Bosh had a 24.7 usage this season, .172 WS/48, 4.0 BPM (3.6 offense, 0.4 defense) 2.7 VORP, 20.2 PER

Chris Bosh playoff stats with (Miami 78 games): 14.9-7.3-1.1-1.1-0.8 on 48.1% shooting on 11.6 shots a game (1.6 from 3 at 40.6%) 3.8 FTA at 79% in 34.7 MPG

Bam stats since becoming a starter (3rd option):

2019-2020: 15.9-10.2-5.1-1.1-1.3 on 55.7% shooting, .598 TS%, 11.0 shots a game, 5.3 FTA at 69.1% in 33.6 minutes a game

Bam had a 21.2 usage this season, .168 WS/48, 3.4 BPM (1.4 offense, 2.0 defense) 3.3 VORP, 20.3 PER

2020-2021: 18.7-9.0-5.4-1.2-1.0 on 57% shooting, .626 TS%, 12.5 shots a game, 5.5 FTA at 79.9% in 33.5 minutes a game

Bam had a 23.7 usage this season, .197 WS/48, 4.9 BPM (2.9 offense, 2.0 defense) 3.7 VORP, 22.7 PER

2021-2022: 19.1-10.1-3.4-1.4-0.8 on 55.7% shooting, .608 TS%, 13.0 shots a game, 6.1 FTA at 75.3% in 32.6 minutes a game

Bam had a 25.0 usage this season, .188 WS/48, 3.8 BPM (1.7 offense, 2.1 defense) 2.7 VORP, 21.8 PER

2022-2023: 20.4-9.2-3.2-1.2-0.8 on 54% shooting, .592 TS%, 14.9 shots a game, 5.4 FTA at 80.6% in 34.6 minutes a game

Bam had a 25.2 usage this season, .137 WS/48, 1.6 BPM (0.8 offense, 0.8 defense) 2.3 VORP, 20.1 PER

Bam playoff stats as a starter (43 games): 16.4-9.1-3.7-1.0-0.7 on 56.2% shooting, 11.3 shots a game, 4.8 FTA at 76.9% in 34.8 MPG

Especially when factoring in Bam being the better overall defender between the 2, he has been the better regular season and playoff performer between the 2 whether Bosh was the 3rd or 2nd option. Bams regular and advanced metrics both trump Boshs.

Bam is the better rebounder, passer, defender, scorer in the paint, and better at getting to the free throw line. Bosh right now is the better mid range shooter and 3 point shooter, he also made his free throws at a slightly better clip.

Bosh peaked in his overall development when he became a great 3 point shooter at 29-30, Bam is currently 25 and improving every single season. If that continues this won’t even be up for discussion as long as he stays in a Heat jersey.

Need Bam to get his 3 point attempts and percentages up to where Bosh was his final 2 years in Miami, that would take him to a whole other level and help the team a ton.

Bam as a starter >>>> Miami Heat Bosh

Good effort but you're just beating your head against a wall. They are determined that they are going to be right, facts be damned.

Oh I know and it really is a damn shame, god forbid we have actual discussion and debate about 2 all stars that have played on our team in similar roles.

It’s just a bunch of damn trolls acting like they’re geniuses and banding together because they’re mad that they were wrong about Bam when I was telling them they were wrong last season. It all came to light this year and majority have been quiet as hell except a little troll post here and there. That’s what you have to do when you’re not very knowledgeable though.

As I said, if this was horrible debate then it should be very easy to debunk, the response from the trolls is a **** ton of crickets.

I will go out on a limb here and say people just get tired of repeating the obvious. There is no way you can completely rate a player just by statistics, they are very very misleading sometimes.Exept for this season with his improved mid jumper ( Bosh's was still miles better than his) without looking at a statsheet anybody can tell most of Bam's points came assisted, the once in a while blow by his defender with his speed, mabye some put back here and there. Proof is in the pudding there is not way Bam can average those points in isolation situations in the low post, do you know why? because his post game is nonexistent, his jumper has improved and that makes him easier for him to score. Bosh was no slouch on defense, but i consider Bam's better in the perimeter, Bosh just because of his size was better fit to defend the post. Like i said this was better suited in the general board to get a better idea who is/was a better basketball player. Even if you get the whole board agreeing Bosh was a better more rounded player i am pretty conviced you will find a way to twist everything to accommodate your opinion, which is fine too by the way.

[unowen85]

BamsMyGuy’s next targets will be to show that Bam’s tenure with the Heat was better than Zo’s and Shaq’s.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

BamsMyGuy’s next targets will be to show that Bam’s tenure with the Heat was better than Zo’s and Shaq’s.

That’ll be started when he turns 30.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Good effort but you're just beating your head against a wall. They are determined that they are going to be right, facts be damned.

Oh I know and it really is a damn shame, god forbid we have actual discussion and debate about 2 all stars that have played on our team in similar roles.

It’s just a bunch of damn trolls acting like they’re geniuses and banding together because they’re mad that they were wrong about Bam when I was telling them they were wrong last season. It all came to light this year and majority have been quiet as hell except a little troll post here and there. That’s what you have to do when you’re not very knowledgeable though.

As I said, if this was horrible debate then it should be very easy to debunk, the response from the trolls is a **** ton of crickets.

I will go out on a limb here and say people just get tired of repeating the obvious. There is no way you can completely rate a player just by statistics, they are very very misleading sometimes.Exept for this season with his improved mid jumper ( Bosh's was still miles better than his) without looking at a statsheet anybody can tell most of Bam's points came assisted, the once in a while blow by his defender with his speed, mabye some put back here and there. Proof is in the pudding there is not way Bam can average those points in isolation situations in the low post, do you know why? because his post game is nonexistent, his jumper has improved and that makes him easier for him to score. Bosh was no slouch on defense, but i consider Bam's better in the perimeter, Bosh just because of his size was better fit to defend the post. Like i said this was better suited in the general board to get a better idea who is/was a better basketball player. Even if you get the whole board agreeing Bosh was a better more rounded player i am pretty conviced you will find a way to twist everything to accommodate your opinion, which is fine too by the way.

I’m not basing it 100% off stats but stats do have a major place in it, no one is arguing Bam is a better well rounded scorer than Bosh, although Bosh couldn’t take advantage of that in the big 3 era for whatever reason. Stats aren’t the end all be all but they play a huge role. I used to be the same way, I hooped my entire life and used to dismiss them because I know the game and the way it’s played as good as anyone, it’s how I knew Bam was being misused (still is a little) and has high potential while you all were acting like a 23-24 year old was a finished product.

Bosh isn’t a better defender on the perimeter or inside.

As for assisted baskets, total percentage of Field goals assisted on:

Bosh:

2010-11: 60.3%
2011-12: 64.9%
2012-13: 76.7%!!!!
2013-14: 80%!!!!
2014-15: 60.3%
2015-16: 68.9%

Bam:

2019-20: 71.3%
2020-21: 65.7%
2021-22: 60.8%
2022-23: 60.1%

Who was being assisted more? This is all out there to see for yourself.

Isolation scoring I can’t find Bosh numbers, I’d assume they were solid but Bams are on par with Jimmy so let’s not act like he’s just some slouch there as well.

And I think it’s funny how we’re coming to the consensus that Heat tenure Bosh was a better more well rounded player than Bam when the only thing he did better than Bam in a Heat jersey is shoot from 16+ feet. Like that is literally it.

[MHeat0279]

Oh I know and it really is a damn shame, god forbid we have actual discussion and debate about 2 all stars that have played on our team in similar roles.

It’s just a bunch of damn trolls acting like they’re geniuses and banding together because they’re mad that they were wrong about Bam when I was telling them they were wrong last season. It all came to light this year and majority have been quiet as hell except a little troll post here and there. That’s what you have to do when you’re not very knowledgeable though.

As I said, if this was horrible debate then it should be very easy to debunk, the response from the trolls is a **** ton of crickets.

I will go out on a limb here and say people just get tired of repeating the obvious. There is no way you can completely rate a player just by statistics, they are very very misleading sometimes.Exept for this season with his improved mid jumper ( Bosh's was still miles better than his) without looking at a statsheet anybody can tell most of Bam's points came assisted, the once in a while blow by his defender with his speed, mabye some put back here and there. Proof is in the pudding there is not way Bam can average those points in isolation situations in the low post, do you know why? because his post game is nonexistent, his jumper has improved and that makes him easier for him to score. Bosh was no slouch on defense, but i consider Bam's better in the perimeter, Bosh just because of his size was better fit to defend the post. Like i said this was better suited in the general board to get a better idea who is/was a better basketball player. Even if you get the whole board agreeing Bosh was a better more rounded player i am pretty conviced you will find a way to twist everything to accommodate your opinion, which is fine too by the way.

I’m not basing it 100% off stats but stats do have a major place in it, no one is arguing Bam is a better well rounded scorer than Bosh, although Bosh couldn’t take advantage of that in the big 3 era for whatever reason. Stats aren’t the end all be all but they play a huge role. I used to be the same way, I hooped my entire life and used to dismiss them because I know the game and the way it’s played as good as anyone, it’s how I knew Bam was being misused (still is a little) and has high potential while you all were acting like a 23-24 year old was a finished product.

Bosh isn’t a better defender on the perimeter or inside.

As for assisted baskets, total percentage of Field goals assisted on:

Bosh:

2010-11: 60.3%
2011-12: 64.9%
2012-13: 76.7%!!!!
2013-14: 80%!!!!
2014-15: 60.3%
2015-16: 68.9%

Bam:

2019-20: 71.3%
2020-21: 65.7%
2021-22: 60.8%
2022-23: 60.1%

Who was being assisted more? This is all out there to see for yourself.

Isolation scoring I can’t find Bosh numbers, I’d assume they were solid but Bams are on par with Jimmy so let’s not act like he’s just some slouch there as well.

And I think it’s funny how we’re coming to the consensus that Heat tenure Bosh was a better more well rounded player than Bam when the only thing he did better than Bam in a Heat jersey is shoot from 16+ feet. Like that is literally it.

I would assume the red font part of your statement is because he became a third wheel behind two clearly better players than him.
As per the assisted stats again, he was playing with Lebron him being an excellent passer and Wade another great one. Scoring assisted is all fine and dandy, not knocking Bam or Bosch but what we are debating here is the ability of each player to score unassisted, not depending on another player to score, Isolation stats would be a good start in order to find out. Because by the eye test Chris had more tools in his arsenal to score without any help from another player.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I will go out on a limb here and say people just get tired of repeating the obvious. There is no way you can completely rate a player just by statistics, they are very very misleading sometimes.Exept for this season with his improved mid jumper ( Bosh's was still miles better than his) without looking at a statsheet anybody can tell most of Bam's points came assisted, the once in a while blow by his defender with his speed, mabye some put back here and there. Proof is in the pudding there is not way Bam can average those points in isolation situations in the low post, do you know why? because his post game is nonexistent, his jumper has improved and that makes him easier for him to score. Bosh was no slouch on defense, but i consider Bam's better in the perimeter, Bosh just because of his size was better fit to defend the post. Like i said this was better suited in the general board to get a better idea who is/was a better basketball player. Even if you get the whole board agreeing Bosh was a better more rounded player i am pretty conviced you will find a way to twist everything to accommodate your opinion, which is fine too by the way.

I’m not basing it 100% off stats but stats do have a major place in it, no one is arguing Bam is a better well rounded scorer than Bosh, although Bosh couldn’t take advantage of that in the big 3 era for whatever reason. Stats aren’t the end all be all but they play a huge role. I used to be the same way, I hooped my entire life and used to dismiss them because I know the game and the way it’s played as good as anyone, it’s how I knew Bam was being misused (still is a little) and has high potential while you all were acting like a 23-24 year old was a finished product.

Bosh isn’t a better defender on the perimeter or inside.

As for assisted baskets, total percentage of Field goals assisted on:

Bosh:

2010-11: 60.3%
2011-12: 64.9%
2012-13: 76.7%!!!!
2013-14: 80%!!!!
2014-15: 60.3%
2015-16: 68.9%

Bam:

2019-20: 71.3%
2020-21: 65.7%
2021-22: 60.8%
2022-23: 60.1%

Who was being assisted more? This is all out there to see for yourself.

Isolation scoring I can’t find Bosh numbers, I’d assume they were solid but Bams are on par with Jimmy so let’s not act like he’s just some slouch there as well.

And I think it’s funny how we’re coming to the consensus that Heat tenure Bosh was a better more well rounded player than Bam when the only thing he did better than Bam in a Heat jersey is shoot from 16+ feet. Like that is literally it.

I would assume the red font part of your statement is because he became a third wheel behind two clearly better players than him.
As per the assisted stats again, he was playing with Lebron him being an excellent passer and Wade another great one. Scoring assisted is all fine and dandy, not knocking Bam or Bosch but what we are debating here is the ability of each player to score unassisted, not depending on another player to score, Isolation stats would be a good start in order to find out. Because by the eye test Chris had more tools in his arsenal to score without any help from another player.

The red font is questioning why he wasn’t able to be more efficient with them despite being the better overall offensive player than Bam. Shouldn’t he have been far more efficient next to 2 elite passers like that? Seems like he didn’t use his skills to the best of his ability. If Bam played with LeBron and Wade I bet his efficiency would jump.

From what we saw from Heat tenure Bosh to Bam according to the amount of shots they were assisted on Bam gets more buckets by himself than Bosh did.

Eye test would tell you Herro has more scoring tools than Bam but in isolation scoring he’s far, far worse than Bam. If I had to guess I would hope Boshs are slightly better than a Bams

[Enso]

Thread will be better in the general board, that way we can avoid cherry picking stats and get an outside opinion about it without a fanatic's point of view.

I agree this would be the best place to discuss

[MHeat0279]

I’m not basing it 100% off stats but stats do have a major place in it, no one is arguing Bam is a better well rounded scorer than Bosh, although Bosh couldn’t take advantage of that in the big 3 era for whatever reason. Stats aren’t the end all be all but they play a huge role. I used to be the same way, I hooped my entire life and used to dismiss them because I know the game and the way it’s played as good as anyone, it’s how I knew Bam was being misused (still is a little) and has high potential while you all were acting like a 23-24 year old was a finished product.

Bosh isn’t a better defender on the perimeter or inside.

As for assisted baskets, total percentage of Field goals assisted on:

Bosh:

2010-11: 60.3%
2011-12: 64.9%
2012-13: 76.7%!!!!
2013-14: 80%!!!!
2014-15: 60.3%
2015-16: 68.9%

Bam:

2019-20: 71.3%
2020-21: 65.7%
2021-22: 60.8%
2022-23: 60.1%

Who was being assisted more? This is all out there to see for yourself.

Isolation scoring I can’t find Bosh numbers, I’d assume they were solid but Bams are on par with Jimmy so let’s not act like he’s just some slouch there as well.

And I think it’s funny how we’re coming to the consensus that Heat tenure Bosh was a better more well rounded player than Bam when the only thing he did better than Bam in a Heat jersey is shoot from 16+ feet. Like that is literally it.

I would assume the red font part of your statement is because he became a third wheel behind two clearly better players than him.
As per the assisted stats again, he was playing with Lebron him being an excellent passer and Wade another great one. Scoring assisted is all fine and dandy, not knocking Bam or Bosch but what we are debating here is the ability of each player to score unassisted, not depending on another player to score, Isolation stats would be a good start in order to find out. Because by the eye test Chris had more tools in his arsenal to score without any help from another player.

The red font is questioning why he wasn’t able to be more efficient with them despite being the better overall offensive player than Bam. Shouldn’t he have been far more efficient next to 2 elite passers like that? Seems like he didn’t use his skills to the best of his ability. If Bam played with LeBron and Wade I bet his efficiency would jump.

From what we saw from Heat tenure Bosh to Bam according to the amount of shots they were assisted on Bam gets more buckets by himself than Bosh did.

Eye test would tell you Herro has more scoring tools than Bam but in isolation scoring he’s far, far worse than Bam. If I had to guess I would hope Boshs are slightly better than a Bams

Are you talking about field goal percentage? or being a better scorer like more points per game? or more tools in his offensive arsenal.
no one is arguing Bam is a better well rounded scorer than Bosh,although Bosh couldn’t take advantage of that in the big 3 era for whatever reason
this right here is what got me confused, thought we were discussing Bosh was a well more rounded basketball player.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Thread will be better in the general board, that way we can avoid cherry picking stats and get an outside opinion about it without a fanatic's point of view.

I agree this would be the best place to discuss

I can add sometime this weekend

[MHeat0279]

Anyway, lets get ready for our next spanking i believe on Saturday.