Waive Isaac?

[SOUL]

[drsd]

The Magic won 72.3% of games that Isaac played in this last season. i.e. with Isaac, the Magic is a 60-win team by extension!


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[pepe1991]

Any politicisan would say the same, he is protecting his ( piss poor) investment and defends himself by defending him.


There is no such thing as minor surgery that requires 2+ months off, just like last "minor" injury on hamstring required what? Year off? Well... Luckily it was minor, imagine if it was normal





If you have multiple lower body surgeries over 6 years, there is nothing "crazy" nor "unlucky" about it. It's repetitive pattern of inability to play contact sport. He is like boxer who has been K.O.ed 5 times and ref is like " nah, he is yet to die, he is good to next round, it's minor".


Expecting Isaac to be anything more than occesional rotation body until next "crazy" injury happen is crazy talk. But again, Weltman isn't saying this because he actually belives in it, he says it because he gave him exstension while he had ACL tear, one that he never recovered from, and now, almost 4 years later, during whole lenght of that exstension, Isaac suited up 11 times for him.
it's been said multiple times that Weltman should have been in politics. He is master of talking for 15 min without saying anything and apsolute maestro of spinning narrative.

[drsd]

Expecting Isaac to be anything more than occesional rotation body until next "crazy" injury happen is crazy talk.

But, but, but: that 72.3% win rate.

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[pepe1991]

Expecting Isaac to be anything more than occesional rotation body until next "crazy" injury happen is crazy talk.

But, but, but: that 72.3% win rate.

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His win rate is similar to his miss rate

He must be one of most frustrating injury-stories in recent basketball history. Only injury that frustrated me more was Rose, and in reality, Rose never recovered from his ACL tear.

[KillMonger]

the way i see it is....meh...going by what mr weltman has said i think he's going to be around....and to be honest when he was playing he did look good...we'll see

[Skybox]

Not looking to draw fire or derail this...but I'd waive Fultz's $15m non-guaranteed portion before I'd waive Isaac's $10m non-guaranteed. Isaac could have a very clear role on this roster and (I know there are a lot who disagree) I just don't see Fultz' role on this team if we hope to take more than a moderate step into play-in/mediocrity...I'd happily include either or both salaries in a big trade.

I also won't lose a lot of sleep if either or both flourish elsewhere as long as we make a move that builds a more functional TEAM.

[The Effect]

man i wish someone would pay me 17m a year to literally do nothing for YEARS
and then have everyone defend their stupidity

[The Effect]

Not looking to draw fire or derail this...but I'd waive Fultz's $15m non-guaranteed portion before I'd waive Isaac's $10m non-guaranteed. Isaac could have a very clear role on this roster and (I know there are a lot who disagree) I just don't see Fultz' role on this team if we hope to take more than a moderate step into play-in/mediocrity...I'd happily include either or both salaries in a big trade.

I also won't lose a lot of sleep if either or both flourish elsewhere as long as we make a move that builds a more functional TEAM.

So...........waive the guy who actually proved
1) he can play a season without getting injured again
2) that the team is light years better when hes on the court

Like do people not realize that this was a .500 team after fultz returned? if he played the first 20 games, we would be in the playoffs right now

But yeah lets keep the guy who has played 11 games in 4 calendar years (by the time he plays in another game) over him

I swear, i will NEVER understand this boards obsession with JI. Hes a one dimensional player who cant stay on the court and people act like hes the next lebron or something

[basketballRob]

Not looking to draw fire or derail this...but I'd waive Fultz's $15m non-guaranteed portion before I'd waive Isaac's $10m non-guaranteed. Isaac could have a very clear role on this roster and (I know there are a lot who disagree) I just don't see Fultz' role on this team if we hope to take more than a moderate step into play-in/mediocrity...I'd happily include either or both salaries in a big trade.

I also won't lose a lot of sleep if either or both flourish elsewhere as long as we make a move that builds a more functional TEAM.

So...........waive the guy who actually proved
1) he can play a season without getting injured again
2) that the team is light years better when hes on the court

Like do people not realize that this was a .500 team after fultz returned? if he played the first 20 games, we would be in the playoffs right now

But yeah lets keep the guy who has played 11 games in 4 calendar years (by the time he plays in another game) over him

I swear, i will NEVER understand this boards obsession with JI. Hes a one dimensional player who cant stay on the court and people act like hes the next lebron or something

He's under contract.

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[Skybox]

Not looking to draw fire or derail this...but I'd waive Fultz's $15m non-guaranteed portion before I'd waive Isaac's $10m non-guaranteed. Isaac could have a very clear role on this roster and (I know there are a lot who disagree) I just don't see Fultz' role on this team if we hope to take more than a moderate step into play-in/mediocrity...I'd happily include either or both salaries in a big trade.

I also won't lose a lot of sleep if either or both flourish elsewhere as long as we make a move that builds a more functional TEAM.

So...........waive the guy who actually proved
1) he can play a season without getting injured again
2) that the team is light years better when hes on the court

Like do people not realize that this was a .500 team after fultz returned? if he played the first 20 games, we would be in the playoffs right now

But yeah lets keep the guy who has played 11 games in 4 calendar years (by the time he plays in another game) over him

I swear, i will NEVER understand this boards obsession with JI. Hes a one dimensional player who cant stay on the court and people act like hes the next lebron or something

1. I can play a year without getting injured...doesn't make me good
2. Imagine what we could have done with a better QB. Being the best PG on the present roster doesn't make him better than a bottom 10 starter in the NBA...not good enough (bottom 5 if you factor in his deal)

I'm not obsessed with JI. Like I said many times, I'd waive him or trade him for the right move, but NOT just to save the owner $$$.

[AaronB]

Expecting Isaac to be anything more than occesional rotation body until next "crazy" injury happen is crazy talk.

But, but, but: that 72.3% win rate.

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His win rate is similar to his miss rate

He must be one of most frustrating injury-stories in recent basketball history. Only injury that frustrated me more was Rose, and in reality, Rose never recovered from his ACL tear.

Really???

Zion is signed for almost max with no injury clause I believe.

I don't think that Simmons even likes basketball and he is a super max.

Will Ball even play again? I doubt it.

These are 3 off the top of my head that are much worse than Isaac.

[pepe1991]

But, but, but: that 72.3% win rate.

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His win rate is similar to his miss rate

He must be one of most frustrating injury-stories in recent basketball history. Only injury that frustrated me more was Rose, and in reality, Rose never recovered from his ACL tear.

Really???

Zion is signed for almost max with no injury clause I believe.

I don't think that Simmons even likes basketball and he is a super max.

Will Ball even play again? I doubt it.

These are 3 off the top of my head that are much worse than Isaac.

lol

Zion 4 years ,114 games played
Lonzo 6 years, 252 games played
Isaac 6 years....147 games

Simmons is only one year longer in nba than Isaac, but he played twice as many games ( 317 to 147).

Actually there is list of most games missed in last 5 years, Isaac takes a cake by wide margin.
isaac is so far removed from other most injuried guys that he could play 82 games next year, they could play 0, and they would still have better "showed up at job" rate.

NBA haven't seen anybody as injury prone as Isaac since Oden.

We can debate who is worst contract in nba, we can debate who will retire sooner. But what's not debatable is "debate" who missed most games. It's Isaac. Last 4 years, 44 games played total.

[thelead]

Should we cut him? Absolutely not!
Should we get a MASSIVE discount on his next contract if he's able to play? Absolutely!

[yoyojw17]

Should we cut him? Absolutely not!
Should we get a MASSIVE discount on his next contract if he's able to play? Absolutely!

This i agree with. Friends and Family Discount for patience and trust.

[GatorbaitDD]

He'll be back.

[Skybox]

Should we cut him? Absolutely not!
Should we get a MASSIVE discount on his next contract if he's able to play? Absolutely!

This i agree with. Friends and Family Discount for patience and trust.

That just doesn't happen in the NBA (or anywhere), sadly...unless his injuries will clearly keep him on the bench for an indeterminate time and no one else will have interest. If he's "feeling good and expects to be ready for camp" (real or not), his agent will conveniently forget about his career to date...as he should-in his role.

[SHAQ32]

I been waived goodbye to that punk!!

[Magic_Kingdom]

Should we cut him? Absolutely not!
Should we get a MASSIVE discount on his next contract if he's able to play? Absolutely!

So not only should we absolutely keep him for the next two years at $17.4 mil per year, but we should already be thinking about re-signing him once that deal is up as long as the price is right?

At that point Isaac will have sat on this roster for 8 years and be one of the longest-tenured players in team history.

Why don’t we just extend him now to make sure we lock him up until 2029.

[VFX]

No point in waiving him.

I have waved goodbye to him in my mind as a serious option for Orlando though. He’s somehow less reliable than Grant Hill was after signing with us.