Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[RiotPunch]

The total sell on these Bucks is overkill. I could very easily see them come back next year with the same core and win a title.

I don't see how you could see this team finish with the best record in the league despite missing Middleton for most of the year, having won a title with this same core, and decide that there's no chance they can do it again.

I'm not opposed to making changes, but dumping Middleton for that Memphis pupu platter does nothing for us unless we somehow subsequently land a player who is as least as good as Middleton.

The trade you're referencing involved Jrue, not Middleton.

There were two variations. Khris package and a more robust Jrue package.

[JEIS]

Any reason to look into this more or just more because of the embarrassing 1st round exit?

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Guessing coach Bud had funeral/family obligations.

[raferfenix]

Van Vleet has a player option that in a pretty sparse market and the allure of being traded to Milwaukee with bird rights could easily sway him to pick it up. Who is giving him 30+ this offseason? Houston? Orlando? San Antonio? Yeah, I dunno about that.

FVV opting in would definitely make a deal easier vs a sign and trade.

Bobby + Grayson + 2029 first (or other draft capital) seems like a plenty respectable offer.

Phoenix was linked to FVV at the deadline too. If he’d really consider that tact we might not be the only team in play.

[Ron Swanson]

The FVV stuff is interesting even though I'm way more terrified of what his next contract looks like than I am of Middleton's. We were reportedly pursuing him hard at the deadline and have to imagine a future 1st was in play. Turns 30 next February, but even if you can get 1-2 good years out of him, that certainly could be enough to swing a championship if all you're sacrificing is Bobby/Grayson or Bobby/Pat. FYI yes, I believe he'd have to pick-up his PO to even make a sign & trade possible (because it would technically instead be a sign & extend).

[raferfenix]

Have a hard time seeing Toronto cashing FVV out after Nick Nurse’s ouster.

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[Matches Malone]

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[blazza18]

Not having at least the GM speak with the media after a disastrous finish to the season is a bad look for the franchise imo.

[rilamann]

Not having at least the GM speak with the media after a disastrous finish to the season is a bad look for the franchise imo.

This whole thing seems even worse each day the more it sinks in.

A #1 seed losing to an #8 seed is insane, but losing 4-1 is epic on a very bad level. Obviously you keep Giannis, but you almost have to gut the team after something like this.

[Baddy Chuck]

Van Vleet has a player option that in a pretty sparse market and the allure of being traded to Milwaukee with bird rights could easily sway him to pick it up. Who is giving him 30+ this offseason? Houston? Orlando? San Antonio? Yeah, I dunno about that.

FVV opting in would definitely make a deal easier vs a sign and trade.

Bobby + Grayson + 2029 first (or other draft capital) seems like a plenty respectable offer.

Phoenix was linked to FVV at the deadline too. If he’d really consider that tact we might not be the only team in play.

My first thought was something like

Khris/Jrue to Memphis for Jones, Kennard, 1sts - Vet presence for a young team that's close
Jones, 1st, (Marjon?) to Clippers for Powell - Clippers get a point guard they need and trade fodder
Bobby, Kennard (Grayson?), 1st to Toronto for Van Vleet - Toronto gets value for a guy that might not fit where they're heading

Van Vleet
Jrue/Powell
Khris/Powell
Giannis
Brook

I dunno where the hell you fill out the rest of the roster but I like that lineup.

[ReddoverKobe]

I think it almost has to be a complete rebuild at this point because the bucks had a great regular season roster but guys like Allen, Carter and Portis become almost unplayable in the playoffs. Lopez struggles are also magnified in the playoffs.

My plan would be bring back Giannis, Marjon, Pat, AJ Green. Everyone else should be looked at in trades and you fill out the roster from there. I think resigning Lopez depends on what they want the roster to look like. The ultimate goal is to get an 8 man roster that works in the playoffs.

Oh and Bud has to go at this point.

[MickeyDavis]

Maybe it's just me but I couldn't care less if Horst did an end of season interview. It's not like he's going to discuss their off season plans. It would have been a whole lot of nothing. Same as every other year. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[msiris]

I think it almost has to be a complete rebuild at this point because the bucks had a great regular season roster but guys like Allen, Carter and Portis become almost unplayable in the playoffs. Lopez struggles are also magnified in the playoffs.

My plan would be bring back Giannis, Marjon, Pat, AJ Green. Everyone else should be looked at in trades and you fill out the roster from there. I think resigning Lopez depends on what they want the roster to look like. The ultimate goal is to get an 8 man roster that works in the playoffs.

Oh and Bud has to go at this point.

Sorry but Pat is not really playable in the playoffs either

[Jez2983]

Maybe it's just me but I couldn't care less if Horst did an end of season interview. It's not like he's going to discuss their off season plans. It would have been a whole lot of nothing. Same as every other year. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But we need something to over-analyze, MD.


You have to think about what he isn't saying

[BucksFanSD]

Yeah everyone besides Giannis is not off limits in trade if I'm GM. Look.at every scenario. I wouldn't trade MarJon as a throw in though, that's for sure.

I wanted a big trade last year (Haliburton package for Khris) but I understood the team's choice to be loyal until the point an event like this happens.

This may be a blessing in disguise, but again, need to evaluate all possibilities this off-season and take advantage of any good offers

[Badgerlander]

OKC could have as many as 4 draft picks this year and they only have two roster spots IF they don’t resign any of their FAs. I bet we could get Tre Mann and Poku both for one lotto protected first.

[MickeyDavis]

Maybe it's just me but I couldn't care less if Horst did an end of season interview. It's not like he's going to discuss their off season plans. It would have been a whole lot of nothing. Same as every other year. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But we need something to over-analyze, MD.


You have to think about what he isn't saying

"We always have an expectation of a championship. When you fall short of that there's certainly disappoinment"

"Khris is a valuable member of this team. We'll be having discussions with him and his agent as we head into the off-season"

"Brook is a valuable member of this team. We'll be having discussions with him and his agent as we head into the off-season"

"Whether Giannis plays for his national team this fall is a decision he'll make as we head into the off-season"

"We're always looking for ways to improve the team"

[Matches Malone]

Our guard rotation will be interesting going into next season. Could use upgrades from the Grayson/Pat/Wes/AJ hodgepodge. Do we expect Hugo Besson to come over this year? Not that he's helping this rotation out the gate, but would be interesting to see what he's got or if he's improved at all from last summer league.

[blazza18]

If you want to be a fan that doesn't want to know anything, then cool but I am one who wants to know what's what from the people who run things. I know I'm not even going to agree with much of what Horst will spill out but I'd still like to know what he offers up about the disappointing finish to the season and plans moving forward.

[BroncoBuck]

An option I’ve toyed around the idea of is a S&T of Brook for Tyus and Steven Adams. Adams + Giannis isn’t an ideal offensive fit, but at 12 mil/yr he’s an affordable option at center and would be a key piece against teams that have an actual big (Philly, LA, etc.) and the regular season in general where he can’t be exploited every night. Center in today’s NBA is so strange, as we’ve seen in some matchups they are borderline unplayable. Jenkins knows Brook and how to use him so the fit is there, he’s also the adult that team needs in the locker room. Tyus is an obvious upgrade for the Bucks, nothing else to say there.

I’m not sure if the new CBA rules effect the S&T restrictions regarding tax aprons and what not, but I could see that type of route being the way we go.

[MickeyDavis]

The easiest, cheapest way to improve the team is MarJon. He showed some flashes in limited opportunities. It would be very beneficial if he became a regular rotation player.