Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

so basically if you give the benefit of the doubt to everybody in the league as being better than grayson then grayson sucks.

lol at some of those names youd rather have man

i have him maybe around top 50 as a guard

[raferfenix]

Bobby seems like the obvious one to move. Just like he was the obvious one to move at the deadline.

I wonder how close we were to moving Bobby at the deadline.

Would have been hard (but not impossible) to match salaries with FVV or Bojan otherwise.

[raferfenix]

Grayson not even getting a shot off to lose game 5 is emblematic of his Bucks career.

Solid regular season rotation played.

But the Bucks need better in the backcourt. That’s especially if Jrue is staying since he needs help on games when he turns into a pumpkin.

[Badgerlander]

Great list but he said two guards. More than half your list isn't a two.

And I explained why

Right but you didn't answer his question. You came up with an answer for a new question that you created based off his initial question lol

I mean I listed almost 100 guys so if half are not “two” guards then you have around 50 guys which is what he asked for. I said Grayson isn’t a starter so I logically looked at replacements that would fit in our starting lineup to replace Grayson. It’s really not a new question. The Nucks tried to acquire FVV at the deadline to improve our starting lineup so are you saying he doesn’t qualify because he’s not at “two” guard? He’s not really a “PG” he’s a guy that handles the ball the most for his team but he also shoots a lot. Does that make him a shooting guard? Can Jrue and FVV coexist in a starting lineup together? Absolutely, thus my list. Feel free to pare it down to guys that you think are “two” guards though.

[theFireBlanket]

Grayson not even getting a shot off to lose game 5 is emblematic of his Bucks career.

Solid regular season rotation played.

But the Bucks need better in the backcourt. That’s especially if Jrue is staying since he needs help on games when he turns into a pumpkin.

Its more emblematic of the play random mentality when no one has poise, after a consecutive game of blowing a 4th quarter lead. Not completely sh---ing on that method but it has its flaws.

Khris should've gotten a look for himself if anything.

I was pissed at Grayson but he was a desperation dump off in a game of hot potato.

[emunney]

I think it almost has to be a complete rebuild at this point because the bucks had a great regular season roster but guys like Allen, Carter and Portis become almost unplayable in the playoffs. Lopez struggles are also magnified in the playoffs.

My plan would be bring back Giannis, Marjon, Pat, AJ Green. Everyone else should be looked at in trades and you fill out the roster from there. I think resigning Lopez depends on what they want the roster to look like. The ultimate goal is to get an 8 man roster that works in the playoffs.

Oh and Bud has to go at this point.

Sorry but Pat is not really playable in the playoffs either

He’s been our only consistent role player all these years.

If anything, he’s only guy who’s shooting DOESN’T fall off in the playoffs & always gives effort.

I’d keep him, especially at his salary.

Pat doesn't mentally fall apart in the playoffs. You could see him moving with urgency all the time. Maybe the only guy on the roster who didn't have terrible body language in the 4th quarter of game 5.

[emunney]

Grayson not even getting a shot off to lose game 5 is emblematic of his Bucks career.

Solid regular season rotation played.

But the Bucks need better in the backcourt. That’s especially if Jrue is staying since he needs help on games when he turns into a pumpkin.

Its more emblematic of the play random mentality when no one has poise, after a consecutive game of blowing a 4th quarter lead. Not completely sh---ing on that method but it has its flaws.

Khris should've gotten a look for himself if anything.

I was pissed at Grayson but he was a desperation dump off in a game of hot potato.

You were right to be pissed at Grayson! Everybody has to be ready to shoot in that situation. He pump faked himself wide open, he's got to take that shot.

[Badgerlander]

so basically if you give the benefit of the doubt to everybody in the league as being better than grayson then grayson sucks.

lol at some of those names youd rather have man

i have him maybe around top 50 as a guard

I’m not saying Grayson sucks. I like Kennard a little more than Grayson but it’s close. Kennard has started 88 games in his career and played off the bench 268. Grayson has started 171 games with 93 as a reserve. I think Grayson is a starter on our team because of our guard depth or lack thereof.

[RiotPunch]

Thinking ATL/Khris might have mutual interest. Playing with this framework, albeit not the sexiest but maybe more realistic than how I've been thinking (would obviously hope we could get more, and for the record I would still rather trade Jrue):

MKE in: Hunter, Powell
ATL in: Middleton
LAC in: Capela

[emunney]

I'd take Aaron Wiggins over Grayson right now.

I don't think Grayson's bad, but he's easily replaceable. If we trade him, we wouldn't have to spend more than the 2 2nds we used to bring him in to get someone as good.

[RiotPunch]

I'd take Aaron Wiggins over Grayson right now.

I don't think Grayson's bad, but he's easily replaceable. If we trade him, we wouldn't have to spend more than the 2 2nds we used to bring him in to get someone as good.

I was literally just tinkering with a Portis/Allen for Dort/Wiggins idea.

[raferfenix]

It’s not Allen’s fault but wow would the Bucks have been better off spending that same amount of salary on PJ.

[German Athens]

I was literally just tinkering with a Portis/Allen for Dort/Wiggins idea.

I’ve been thinking about Dort a lot lately as either someone to target if we send Jrue out in a deal to get a better offensive guard, or as a Wes replacement in a smaller deal.

Getting Wiggins in this deal is really nice.

[Badgerlander]

I desperately wanted Grayson to have a Reaves type breakout this year

[kanyon]

I was pissed at Grayson but he was a desperation dump off in a game of hot potato.

Should have been a desperate dump off to Bogdan. Still don't get why we took the plenty AND didn't get the guy. Still not sure how that's the Bucks fault really. Bogdan saying he didn't know about it actually backs up the Bucks not talking to his camp... And you're allowed to talk to other GMs. I dunno, that was some real B.S. as we watch Lebron and others play GM throughout the year. I don't get why the Bucks just folded and didn't just try to make it go through, take the penalty, but get the deal done.

[RiotPunch]

I've mentally moved on from the Bogdan fiasco, but yeah we got boned unfairly.

[M-C-G]

Grayson shooting by playoff series;
Mem vs Utah 38% from 3
Mke vs Chi 58% from 3
Mke vs Bos 21% from 3
Mke vs Mia 48% from 3

At some point, some people need to stop putting the Boston series on him and realize that, while limited (although improved his overall game) he has been pretty damn solid shooter in the playoffs from 3. I am not saying he is an ideal SG, but he has been more than fine especially given his pay grade.

He got elevated to a role he couldn't handle against length he couldn't handle in that Boston series. What is everybody else's excuse on the Bucks for their performances against Boston and Miami??

[M-C-G]

I was pissed at Grayson but he was a desperation dump off in a game of hot potato.

Should have been a desperate dump off to Bogdan. Still don't get why we took the plenty AND didn't get the guy. Still not sure how that's the Bucks fault really. Bogdan saying he didn't know about it actually backs up the Bucks not talking to his camp... And you're allowed to talk to other GMs. I dunno, that was some real B.S. as we watch Lebron and others play GM throughout the year. I don't get why the Bucks just folded and didn't just try to make it go through, take the penalty, but get the deal done.

This isn't hard to figure out what happened, if I had to give it my best guess;
Bucks wanted Bogdan, talked to his agent with rough numbers and both sides felt like a good fit
Bucks then go to Sac and start building the framework of the deal for the trade, both sides felt like a good fit
Hawks then go to Bogdon's agent and float numbers that beat ours, but we are still in decent shape to make a deal
Bucks then use some salary in a different deal which doesn't allow us to offer as much in the S&T as we could previously
Bogdon talks to his agent, breaks it down and it is isn't worth the 5M difference a year to go to the Bucks over the Hawks
Hawks trade for Bogdon.

I might not have all the details together but the only guy I don't fault is Bogdon because I don't think we could reasonably offer him near what Hawks could. Now if his agent was shopping our offer, than he was just being an agent, which is his job. I am sure there was room for shady ****, but I feel like the second we moved (I forget who had the salary) in another deal, it reduced what we could offer and fell apart when Hawks were ready to beat our offer.

[msiris]

Sorry but Pat is not really playable in the playoffs either

He’s been our only consistent role player all these years.

If anything, he’s only guy who’s shooting DOESN’T fall off in the playoffs & always gives effort.

I’d keep him, especially at his salary.

Pat doesn't mentally fall apart in the playoffs. You could see him moving with urgency all the time. Maybe the only guy on the roster who didn't have terrible body language in the 4th quarter of game 5.

Pat is not a good defender and a vey streaky shooter. He tries just like Grayson but its not enough

[CharityStripe34]

Grayson not even getting a shot off to lose game 5 is emblematic of his Bucks career.

Solid regular season rotation played.

But the Bucks need better in the backcourt. That’s especially if Jrue is staying since he needs help on games when he turns into a pumpkin.

Its more emblematic of the play random mentality when no one has poise, after a consecutive game of blowing a 4th quarter lead. Not completely sh---ing on that method but it has its flaws.

Khris should've gotten a look for himself if anything.

I was pissed at Grayson but he was a desperation dump off in a game of hot potato.

It was an ironic but fitting end to a strange season. Was in shock Khris didn't just launch it for the sake of putting something up.