No Cheesesteaks For Us! Game 4 Loss vs PHI 5/7 (Series tied 2-2)

lon3lytoaster · Post #381 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:04 am

Homerclease wrote:

Watch on YouTube
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Hey Joe, maybe talk to this guy

I miss Brad. I don’t even think I’ve heard Scal say “ATO” all season, let alone say anything positive about our execution. He loves slinging basketball jargon

fallguy · Post #382 » by **fallguy** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:05 am

GreenBloodedC wrote:You usually do not call timeouts in live ball situations not to give the opponent an opportunity to set up their defense.

This was not one of those times.

Even when it is smart to just go for it instead of calling a timeout, this team walks the ball up anyway so the defense has plenty of time to get set.

keevsnick1 · Post #383 » by **keevsnick1** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:05 am

FGA's + FTA's in 4th quarter this series so far:

Smart: 15+8
Tatum: 11+12
Brogdon: 13+6
Brown: 8+2
White: 4+2

How is our worst offensive guard the one taking the most shots, by far, late in the game?

fallguy · Post #384 » by **fallguy** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:05 am

lon3lytoaster wrote:
Homerclease wrote:

Watch on YouTube
;pp=ygUQYnJhZCBzdGV2ZW5zIGF0bw%3D%3D

Hey Joe, maybe talk to this guy

I miss Brad. I don’t even think I’ve heard Scal say “ATO” all season, let alone say anything positive about our execution. He loves slinging basketball jargon

Mark Jones LOVES the jargon. Everything is 'horn set' this, and 'at the nail' that.

Green89 · Post #385 » by **Green89** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:09 am

keevsnick1 wrote:FGA's + FTA's in 4th quarter this series so far:

Smart: 15+8
Tatum: 11+12
Brogdon: 13+6
Brown: 8+2
White: 4+2

How is our worst offensive guard the one taking the most shots, by far, late in the game?

And White was number 3 behind the Jays in regular season, crunch time scoring. His shots are down and Smart's high because Joe plays Smart over White. These are stats opposing coaches dream of when playing us: Smart taking the most shots down the stretch.

BK_2020 · Post #386 » by **BK_2020** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:12 am

Garbage game from Jaylen Brown. Literally don't care he scored a bunch of points. From the tip off just complete trash effort and trash performance on defense. Repeatedly got beaten on transition, at one point let Embiid outrun him for a layup on a fast break, repeatedly gambled and broke down the defense, repeatedly made the wrong decision.

GreenBloodedC · Post #387 » by **GreenBloodedC** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:14 am

Assuming we get past this round, Spo will run circles around us. IF again we win, then we'd face Kerr (again), or Malone? :lol:

Green89 · Post #388 » by **Green89** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:16 am

Read on Twitter

Celts17Pride · Post #389 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:16 am

BK_2020 wrote:Garbage game from Jaylen Brown. Literally don't care he scored a bunch of points. From the tip off just complete trash effort and trash performance on defense. Repeatedly got beaten on transition, at one point let Embiid outrun him for a layup on a fast break, repeatedly gambled and broke down the defense, repeatedly made the wrong decision.

and yet somehow ended up +5 highest on the team. Try again.

GreenBloodedC · Post #390 » by **GreenBloodedC** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:17 am

Green89 wrote:

Read on Twitter

I love Smart. He has been my sig for awhile in this forum.

But there's a reason why Smart is always wide open in those kinds of situations.. And it's not because of defensive lapses...

BK_2020 · Post #391 » by **BK_2020** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:22 am

Celts17Pride wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Garbage game from Jaylen Brown. Literally don't care he scored a bunch of points. From the tip off just complete trash effort and trash performance on defense. Repeatedly got beaten on transition, at one point let Embiid outrun him for a layup on a fast break, repeatedly gambled and broke down the defense, repeatedly made the wrong decision.

and yet somehow ended up +5 highest on the team. Try again.

Neither his scoring nor the gargantuan effort of the rest of the team was enough to overcome how trash and indifferent he was today on defense.

Celts17Pride · Post #392 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:24 am

BK_2020 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Garbage game from Jaylen Brown. Literally don't care he scored a bunch of points. From the tip off just complete trash effort and trash performance on defense. Repeatedly got beaten on transition, at one point let Embiid outrun him for a layup on a fast break, repeatedly gambled and broke down the defense, repeatedly made the wrong decision.

and yet somehow ended up +5 highest on the team. Try again.

Neither his scoring nor the gargantuan effort of the rest of the team was enough to overcome how trash and indifferent he was today on defense.

You are suffering from Jaylen Brown obsession. Go to bed.

fallguy · Post #393 » by **fallguy** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:26 am

Green89 wrote:
keevsnick1 wrote:FGA's + FTA's in 4th quarter this series so far:

Smart: 15+8
Tatum: 11+12
Brogdon: 13+6
Brown: 8+2
White: 4+2

How is our worst offensive guard the one taking the most shots, by far, late in the game?

And White was number 3 behind the Jays in regular season, crunch time scoring. His shots are down and Smart's high because Joe plays Smart over White. These are stats opposing coaches dream of when playing us: Smart taking the most shots down the stretch.

Yup. Even Doc knows what to do. Double off of Smart on JB or JT.

Marcus is awesome at mucking up stuff in the paint. He should be cutting for a layup or ORB.

But this would deny Joe his preference of never having more than two offensive players moving at one time.

playa-hater · Post #394 » by **playa-hater** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:27 am

return2glory wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:As bad as Joe is this isn't all on him. Tatum no show to the first half, Boston missed 14 out of 15 shots at one point, they couldn't grab a rebound and for some reason Brown thought it was a good idea to double team Embiid

It is absolutely never one reason. So yes it is not all on Joe.. But again I ask a question is he actually an asset to this team winning a title..

Did you think Brad was an asset as coach? From what I recall, you weren't too big on Brad either.

Joe was really good overall in the regular season. He was thrown into the position as a rookie coach weeks before the season started. He is a rookie coach. Celtics knew that, meaning Brad and the owners. Did they try to get an assistant coach or two with NBA coaching experience with help him? No. They even allowed Damon Stoudamire to walk before this season even ended.

To blame a rookie head coach is a little much. Joe has struggled in the playoffs but so have our two all stars, especially in close games. Look at watch some of the top coaches have done in the playoffs, including Nurse and Bud.

I'll say more on this tomorrow. But for your 1st question, Did I think Brad was an asset?

My answer is yes he was, Until he wasn't.. Brad had a great few years. But it also became as clear as day that Brad was losing the team... Brad was not able to coach all the egos that Danny ainge acquired..

I think literally the 1st thread I ever made was about Brad Stevens losing his team.. I got so much Push back from that.... And as it turns out I was 100% correct... Why some posters fail to see the signs I do not know..

As for the comments about our coach Joe only being a rookie, I think If this team was a rebuilding team then maybe we can be patient and Turn a Blind eye to his coaching limitations and lack of experience... But we are not trying to grow a young team, we are trying to win a title.. Something that is very hard to do and doesn't happen often... To give our coach a pass because hes only a rookie in this situation Is wrong...

Now does that mean that we can't use more experienced assistant coaches on this team of course not.. Does that mean players cannot be held accountable for the mistakes they Make of course not...

But the fact remains This is an extremely talented group of players, Possibly the most talented in the NBA.... And There is no way I feel our current rookie coach is getting anywhere near the best out of them..

Rookie coach or not I feel if we do not win this title barring injury it will be mainly But not only due to his limitations in coaching.

Marvel · Post #395 » by **Marvel** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:28 am

BK_2020 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Garbage game from Jaylen Brown. Literally don't care he scored a bunch of points. From the tip off just complete trash effort and trash performance on defense. Repeatedly got beaten on transition, at one point let Embiid outrun him for a layup on a fast break, repeatedly gambled and broke down the defense, repeatedly made the wrong decision.

and yet somehow ended up +5 highest on the team. Try again.

Neither his scoring nor the gargantuan effort of the rest of the team was enough to overcome how trash and indifferent he was today on defense.

ConstableGeneva · Post #396 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:28 am

Jays and Smart need to take responsibility for this type of losses but Joe might be the worst of Brad/Ime/Joe considering the roster he has and the maturity/experience of the core. And yet he still has a chance "to lead" this team to a title. None of the remaining teams stand out as far as dominance and we match up well with pretty much anyone.

bigfoot_cryptozoology · Post #397 » by **bigfoot_cryptozoology** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:29 am

Green89 wrote:

Read on Twitter

This post deserves 100 And1sss...

fallguy · Post #398 » by **fallguy** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:31 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:Jays and Smart need to take responsibility for this type of losses but Joe might be the worst of Brad/Ime/Joe considering the roster he has and the maturity/experience of the core. And yet he still has a chance "to lead" this team to a title. None of the remaining teams stand out as far as dominance and we match up well with pretty much anyone.

It was a dopey hire by Brad, made worse by failing to get Joe a couple of former head coach assistants to mentor him, made worse by extending him before he'd done anything of note, made worse but letting Stoudamire go before end-season.

batabatuta · Post #399 » by **batabatuta** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:32 am

At this point, I'd rather Brad help Joe out with the coaching.

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #400 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Mon May 8, 2023 2:33 am

playa-hater wrote:
return2glory wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
It is absolutely never one reason. So yes it is not all on Joe.. But again I ask a question is he actually an asset to this team winning a title..

Did you think Brad was an asset as coach? From what I recall, you weren't too big on Brad either.

Joe was really good overall in the regular season. He was thrown into the position as a rookie coach weeks before the season started. He is a rookie coach. Celtics knew that, meaning Brad and the owners. Did they try to get an assistant coach or two with NBA coaching experience with help him? No. They even allowed Damon Stoudamire to walk before this season even ended.

To blame a rookie head coach is a little much. Joe has struggled in the playoffs but so have our two all stars, especially in close games. Look at watch some of the top coaches have done in the playoffs, including Nurse and Bud.

Rookie coach or not I feel if we do not win this title barring injury it will be mainly But not only due to his limitations in coaching.

Called this **** in like November. The way nothing has changed is unbelievable. Dude is the same coach he was on his first game lol

I still can’t believe how we gave this game away.