Trade Thread, 2023-24 – (Offseason)

[MagicBagley18]

If I am Brad Stevens I'm building around Tatum and Brown and everyone else on the roster is available as well as multiple draft picks. Everyone available.

what else can be done around those 2.

They have had

a DPOY
All Defense team members
6moty

young role players
vet role player

defenders

ball handlers

Shooters

what is the next iteration of players around them going to be?


We lack size in the front court

And we lack desire in the heart of Tatum and Brown

Relax dude. We're not even out of the playoffs yet.

We're down 3-2. Last year's team was down 3-2 in the 2nd round too.

Tatum and Brown are just entering their prime and have already led this team to an NBA finals. Would have won it, but we were facing a team with a top 10 player of all time, the greatest shooter ever, a team whose players and head coach had already won 3 titles together.

No need for blowing the team up.

Even if we lose to the sixers, so what? Celtics and sixers are probably the 2 best teams in the league left standing. So we're a top 2 team in the league, just like we were a top 2 team in the league last year.

Blowing up is extreme but losing to the sixers and failing to even make the ECF isn’t just a “so what”

[Feed Your Head]

If we lose to the Sixers, Jaylen is going to ask out in the summer.

[AingesBurner]

Utah fan here, like your team a lot but we will not be trading Kessler or Markkanen. Those guys will be easier for Utah to keep so it will take a massive overpay for either one them. Hope you guys can beat Philly!

[Lee Van Cleef]

We should have gotten Poetl. We could have used Smart + some other assets. We are weak in the front court, particularly after Theis's depart.

[Hal14]

what else can be done around those 2.

They have had

a DPOY
All Defense team members
6moty

young role players
vet role player

defenders

ball handlers

Shooters

what is the next iteration of players around them going to be?


We lack size in the front court

And we lack desire in the heart of Tatum and Brown

Relax dude. We're not even out of the playoffs yet.

We're down 3-2. Last year's team was down 3-2 in the 2nd round too.

Tatum and Brown are just entering their prime and have already led this team to an NBA finals. Would have won it, but we were facing a team with a top 10 player of all time, the greatest shooter ever, a team whose players and head coach had already won 3 titles together.

No need for blowing the team up.

Even if we lose to the sixers, so what? Celtics and sixers are probably the 2 best teams in the league left standing. So we're a top 2 team in the league, just like we were a top 2 team in the league last year.

Blowing up is extreme but losing to the sixers and failing to even make the ECF isn’t just a “so what”

I could have phrased that part differently I suppose.

But like I said, you could make a strong case that the Celtics and sixers are the 2 best teams left right now. So this is basically the NBA finals matchup we're watching right now.

Sure, it would be disappointing if we lost to the sixers. But a 2 seed losing to a 3 seed is not really that earth shattering. Especially when the 3 seed has the league MVP, along with a former MVP, plus multiple guys with experience winning a title (Rivers as a HC, Tucker just 2 yrs ago).

The sixers were only like a half game behind us in the standings late in the season. Many people picked them to beat better than us in the preseason. The sixers stars are 29 and 33. Our stars are 25 and 26. Teams whose stars are 29 and 33 are typically more likely to win a title than a team whose stars are only 25 and 26. And again, the sixers have the league MVP, a coach who has won a ring. We have a rookie coach.

[Hal14]

We should have gotten Poetl. We could have used Smart + some other assets. We are weak in the front court, particularly after Theis's depart.

Smart AND other assets for Poeltl (a big man who can't shoot, can't dribble, can't switch defensively, not athletic and on an expiring contract).

You can't be serious.

[MagicBagley18]

Relax dude. We're not even out of the playoffs yet.

We're down 3-2. Last year's team was down 3-2 in the 2nd round too.

Tatum and Brown are just entering their prime and have already led this team to an NBA finals. Would have won it, but we were facing a team with a top 10 player of all time, the greatest shooter ever, a team whose players and head coach had already won 3 titles together.

No need for blowing the team up.

Even if we lose to the sixers, so what? Celtics and sixers are probably the 2 best teams in the league left standing. So we're a top 2 team in the league, just like we were a top 2 team in the league last year.

Blowing up is extreme but losing to the sixers and failing to even make the ECF isn’t just a “so what”

I could have phrased that part differently I suppose.

But like I said, you could make a strong case that the Celtics and sixers are the 2 best teams left right now. So this is basically the NBA finals matchup we're watching right now.

Sure, it would be disappointing if we lost to the sixers. But a 2 seed losing to a 3 seed is not really that earth shattering. Especially when the 3 seed has the league MVP, along with a former MVP, plus multiple guys with experience winning a title (Rivers as a HC, Tucker just 2 yrs ago).

The sixers were only like a half game behind us in the standings late in the season. Many people picked them to beat better than us in the preseason. The sixers stars are 29 and 33. Our stars are 25 and 26. Teams whose stars are 29 and 33 are typically more likely to win a title than a team whose stars are only 25 and 26. And again, the sixers have the league MVP, a coach who has won a ring. We have a rookie coach.

Again, it'd be disappointing if we lost to the sixers. But this wouldn't even be close to being one of the biggest playoff series upsets in NBA history.

The entire season has been about unfinished business it’s an organizational failure to not get at minimum back to the ecf. It doesn’t have to be “one of the biggest upsets ever” to be a failed season and a disaster.

Ownership went deeper into the tax than they ever ever have because they believe the same. Follow the money.
I also don’t want to hear you make excuses for joe being a rookie coach when for months straight you told us he was doing such a good job

[Lee Van Cleef]

We should have gotten Poetl. We could have used Smart + some other assets. We are weak in the front court, particularly after Theis's depart.

Smart AND other assets for Poeltl (a big man who can't shoot, can't dribble, can't switch defensively, not athletic and on an expiring contract).

You can't be serious.

I didn't know the contract situation. That definitely changes things.
We need to take care of Embiid in the playoffs. Even a diminished version of him dealing with a sprained knee is killing us. I am open to suggestions.

[playa-hater]

Whatever happens to this team this playoffs, what to do with J Brown is this summer's Big challenge. I for one would really like to see what packages can be had for Brown. Let a trade war happen. This has nothing to do with blaming Brown if we fail, yet again. He is a talent for sure. But paying Brown Super Max or getting a nice package instead is the real Question IMO. The right or wrong decision with this can effect the franchise for years.

Start with this Problem then make other moves accordingly.

[Hal14]

We should have gotten Poetl. We could have used Smart + some other assets. We are weak in the front court, particularly after Theis's depart.

Smart AND other assets for Poeltl (a big man who can't shoot, can't dribble, can't switch defensively, not athletic and on an expiring contract).

You can't be serious.

I didn't know the contract situation. That definitely changes things.
We need to take care of Embiid in the playoffs. Even a diminished version of him dealing with a sprained knee is killing us. I am open to suggestions.

Embiid is just a beast. He's league MVP for a reason. There's not really anyone in the league who can stop him.

But I am open to some type of change this offseason in the front court. Obviously, Al is getting old and Rob is always hurt. Brad has added guys like Vonleh, Kabengele, Griffin, Kornet and Muscala but obviously these guys are all band aids - we might need to add a more impactful big this offseason..

[Celticsfan100]

Relax dude. We're not even out of the playoffs yet.

We're down 3-2. Last year's team was down 3-2 in the 2nd round too.

Tatum and Brown are just entering their prime and have already led this team to an NBA finals. Would have won it, but we were facing a team with a top 10 player of all time, the greatest shooter ever, a team whose players and head coach had already won 3 titles together.

No need for blowing the team up.

Even if we lose to the sixers, so what? Celtics and sixers are probably the 2 best teams in the league left standing. So we're a top 2 team in the league, just like we were a top 2 team in the league last year.

Blowing up is extreme but losing to the sixers and failing to even make the ECF isn’t just a “so what”

I could have phrased that part differently I suppose.

But like I said, you could make a strong case that the Celtics and sixers are the 2 best teams left right now. So this is basically the NBA finals matchup we're watching right now.

Sure, it would be disappointing if we lost to the sixers. But a 2 seed losing to a 3 seed is not really that earth shattering. Especially when the 3 seed has the league MVP, along with a former MVP, plus multiple guys with experience winning a title (Rivers as a HC, Tucker just 2 yrs ago).

The sixers were only like a half game behind us in the standings late in the season. Many people picked them to beat better than us in the preseason. The sixers stars are 29 and 33. Our stars are 25 and 26. Teams whose stars are 29 and 33 are typically more likely to win a title than a team whose stars are only 25 and 26. And again, the sixers have the league MVP, a coach who has won a ring. We have a rookie coach.

There is no way in hell we are the 2nd best team in the league right now. Everyone out west is better. And in the East. Maybe a tad better than the Knicks but they’d possibly beat us. Regardless it’s over. You think losing must win game 5’s and losing game 1 with no Embiid that this team will turn it on and beat Philly 2 times to win the series. Lol it’s over. They should of turned it on a month ago. Team needs to be shook up. New coach. And change around some of the role players. Especially the ones with no IQ.

[StojkoVrankovic]

BRown and a pick to Portland
Timelord and a pick (from houston) to Utah
Marcus Smart to Houston

Dame, Kessler, Tate and Porter Jr to Boston

Dame/Pritchard/Whoever
White/Brogdon/Begarin
Porter Jr/Tate
Tatum/Grant/Gallo
Kessler/Horford/Kornet

there is a less than zero chance we trade for Dame, his contract is horrific

[Celts17Pride]

If we lose to the Sixers, Jaylen is going to ask out in the summer.

I don't doubt you but if that happens I'm wiling to bet Tatum is a Laker by 2025/2026. This thing will all fall apart. Don't think Tatum is going to want to stick around with 32 year old Smart, 38 year old Horford, 32 year old Brogdon and 30 year old D White in two years but that's just my opinion.

[MagicBagley18]

I’m not sure I agree Jaylen asks out if we lose but if he did I don’t think that that will ultimately leave to Tatum leaving in 2 years

[Kalela]

Read on Twitter

[Celts17Pride]

I’m not sure I agree Jaylen asks out if we lose but if he did I don’t think that that will ultimately leave to Tatum leaving in 2 years

Why would Tatum stay? To play with who?

[snowman]

The overactions on this board are really mind boggling at times. I'm sorry, but if we trade an all-NBA 26-year-old (Brown will get at least 3rd team all-NBA and resigned to max contract) for a albeit all NBA 32-year-old (Dame), our front office is stupid. You continue to build around Tatum and Brown.

I know that I will be hated for this but this is what I think needs to happen this off-season:
1) Brad needs to resign Brown long term, whatever it takes.
2) Brad needs trade Smart in a three-way deal to a team in the west, with that player going to Atlanta, that would bring us back John Collins. If we need to sign and trade Grant Williams to Atlanta for a 2nd round pick to complete it, do it. We are never going to win a title with Smart as our starting point guard, and Grant is just too short and slow to make a difference in our big rotation. Mazzulla doesn't have the balls to bring Smart off the bench, so trading him is the only way. Moving Grant like this would give us a TPE and put us far enough under the 2nd level of the new CBA that we could actually use it. Not sure if this would work under the rules, but I'm sure we could add small salaries to make it work. But the biggest part of the deal would be:

Smart to a team in the west,
player x from that western team, along with a sign and traded Grant Williams to Atlanta
John Collins and a pick coming back to Boston.

3) Brad needs to tell Mazzulla to make White the starting point guard.
4) Brad needs to tell Mazzulla to start Rob in place of Big All.

This makes are starting lineup:
White, Brown, Tatum, Collins and Rob Williams. Size, Shooting, rebounding and other than White (28)) all 26 and under.

5) Brad needs to make a decision on who to keep between Kornet, Muscala, Gallo and Griffin. We only need two of them on the roster next season. I would think Gallo and Muscala.
6) Brad needs to sing Kabengele as a project big. He will be fine as a sixth big behind Rob, Collins, Al, Gallo, and Muscala.

This gives us a bench so far of Brogden, Hauser, Horford, Gallo, Muscala, Kabengele, with 11 roster spots taken.

7) After trading Smart, this would open up more minutes for Pritchard, and be able to sign Davison. We can still trade Pritchard if needed at the deadline, but there is room for both.
8) Brad has 2 roster spots available for a SG and a SF to get Tatum and Brown rest. He will also have 3 2-way spots open for projects.

flame away

[Larry_Russell]

The overactions on this board are really mind boggling at times. I'm sorry, but if we trade an all-NBA 26-year-old (Brown will get at least 3rd team all-NBA and resigned to max contract) for a albeit all NBA 32-year-old (Dame), our front office is stupid. You continue to build around Tatum and Brown.

I know that I will be hated for this but this is what I think needs to happen this off-season:
1) Brad needs to resign Brown long term, whatever it takes.
2) Brad needs trade Smart in a three-way deal to a team in the west, with that player going to Atlanta, that would bring us back John Collins. If we need to sign and trade Grant Williams to Atlanta for a 2nd round pick to complete it, do it. We are never going to win a title with Smart as our starting point guard, and Grant is just too short and slow to make a difference in our big rotation. Mazzulla doesn't have the balls to bring Smart off the bench, so trading him is the only way. Moving Grant like this would give us a TPE and put us far enough under the 2nd level of the new CBA that we could actually use it. Not sure if this would work under the rules, but I'm sure we could add small salaries to make it work. But the biggest part of the deal would be:

Smart to a team in the west,
player x from that western team, along with a sign and traded Grant Williams to Atlanta
John Collins and a pick coming back to Boston.

3) Brad needs to tell Mazzulla to make White the starting point guard.
4) Brad needs to tell Mazzulla to start Rob in place of Big All.

This makes are starting lineup:
White, Brown, Tatum, Collins and Rob Williams. Size, Shooting, rebounding and other than White (28)) all 26 and under.

5) Brad needs to make a decision on who to keep between Kornet, Muscala, Gallo and Griffin. We only need two of them on the roster next season. I would think Gallo and Muscala.
6) Brad needs to sing Kabengele as a project big. He will be fine as a sixth big behind Rob, Collins, Al, Gallo, and Muscala.

This gives us a bench so far of Brogden, Hauser, Horford, Gallo, Muscala, Kabengele, with 11 roster spots taken.

7) After trading Smart, this would open up more minutes for Pritchard, and be able to sign Davison. We can still trade Pritchard if needed at the deadline, but there is room for both.
8) Brad has 2 roster spots available for a SG and a SF to get Tatum and Brown rest. He will also have 3 2-way spots open for projects.

flame away

I dont hate you thought but problem is...with Collins, brown and Tatum...who is going to be a leader? WHo is going to demand certain things from the guys on the court?

Talent is certainly there...but I think the same issues are there. It was Smart who spoke out about the Jays last season. No one else is going to hold people accountable.

I lik the lineup though, outside of Rob,as he is too much a liablity to sit on the bench for large portions of the season.

[Celts17Pride]

Who is going to be a leader? Who is going to demand certain things from the guys on the court?

I'm curious, who do you think does that now?

[Larry_Russell]

Who is going to be a leader? Who is going to demand certain things from the guys on the court?

I'm curious, who do you think does that now?

exactly.

And we see major failures as a result.

At least Smart has spoken in the past. I dunno, I am just so broken with this team right now.

Ideally it would brown and tatum who got vocal about the play of teammates and holding people accountable. But it just seems like those two both feel like they are above that.